congalocke
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strange tiny clicks in same spots...
Real tiny from my MIDI kick channel. It is not bad gain stage or an overload in the chain. Goes away when I mute kick and is isolated when I solo it. MIDI>>Kontakt>>Channel 1 of Sonar>>+7 Input Gain to gain stage for Slate VCC (clicks no matter what console I choose)>>Guitar Rig5 W/Solid State EQ and Compressor>>Transient Master No Pro Channel -9.0 on Fader... Any trouble shooting thoughts?
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congalocke
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Re:strange tiny clicks in same spots...
2012/08/09 23:20:08
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I put an instance of Voxengo Span (spectrum analyzer) into the effects bin in the very beginning and it is catching the click at that stage...weird. Could it be Kontakt 5 on one channel? I don't have anything inserted in Kontakt and there are no adjustments to the sample in the Kontakt 5 Mixer for the kick...
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Re:strange tiny clicks in same spots...
2012/08/09 23:25:00
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It seems to consistently happen on the 3rd beat (though irregular) whenever it happens...
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Re:strange tiny clicks in same spots...
2012/08/09 23:28:59
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what happens when you use a completely different kontakt instrument?
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Re:strange tiny clicks in same spots...
2012/08/09 23:33:35
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3rd beat every other measure most of the time...CRAZY!
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Re:strange tiny clicks in same spots...
2012/08/09 23:35:29
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@ Linear Phase, I have 4 instances of Kontakt open and all of them are fine. The instance giving me trouble has 6 stereo outs happening and the kick is the only thing coming up with a click...
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Re:strange tiny clicks in same spots...
2012/08/09 23:35:52
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When you... delete kontakt from the synth rack. insert a new kontakt.. and load up a completely different instrument.. like, "old school analogy keys," or whatever.. You still get the same click? edit = congalocke @ Linear Phase, I have 4 instances of Kontakt open and all of them are fine. The instance giving me trouble has 6 stereo outs happening and the kick is the only thing coming up with a click... oh... hold on for my thoughts.. I did not see this post before I pressed submit...
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Re:strange tiny clicks in same spots...
2012/08/09 23:37:27
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congalocke The instance giving me trouble has 6 stereo outs happening and the kick is the only thing coming up with a click... change the kick sample.. what happens?
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Re:strange tiny clicks in same spots...
2012/08/09 23:39:16
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K...Loading different Kicks and the click seems to be gone...BUT I LOVE THAT KICK. Thanks LP! At least I'm getting somewhere;-)
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Re:strange tiny clicks in same spots...
2012/08/09 23:42:31
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I never had that problem with that sample...argh! OK...changed to the same Kick but Snare On and it seems good. Work around achieved. "Thanks!" Linear Phase!!!
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Re:strange tiny clicks in same spots...
2012/08/09 23:55:09
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I hope my speculation here is wrong (probably), but... I've recenly been re-editing the SSLate Old Zep kit for SD3 and have found similiar problems on occassions with the snare. My suspicion is (and at some point soon I'll confirm it) that some of the samples have not been properly edited at the very beginning of the samples (values are not exactly zero) so as one sample blends into another it leaves a small click. Generally it shouldn't matter but it appears the samples are not properly "cross-fading" into each other, so to speak, possibly as a result of how the samples are programmed or how the player deals with the samples. In Kontakt it may be adjustable so you may be able to solve the problem that way - I'm more familiar with Battery but I'll see if I can find the specific adjustment. Part of my suspicion also relates to the sporadic behaviour - most likely there are multiple samples in the velocity range so if several kicks occur close together it will cycle between different samples as repeating a single sample over and over can sound mechanical. This would explain why the issue occurs intermittently - only one sample contains a flaw. Sadly it's not always an easy issue to isolate. What you could do is this: first check the velocity of the MIDI notes triiggering the kick when it clicks. Check in Kontakt to see which sample names are assigned to that velocity level. Open the samples in a wave editor and carefully check them out. I'd also do what Linear suggested and try a different kick or kit to see if the same thing occurs. But before you go crazy I'd bypass every single effect after Kontakt and see if the click still occurs. Then start re-engaging the effects one at a time and checking after each to see if one of the effects is an issue. Occassionally I find the metering in Sonar doesn't seem to respond fast enough to find really fast transients whereas they are visible in Waves Dorrough meter plugin.
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congalocke
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Re:strange tiny clicks in same spots...
2012/08/10 00:27:28
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SToons, Interesting situation...I will say that my clicking just started tonight so I don't think it is the original sample but...I am glad to have a work around. I do need to get a good metering plug to view what is going on...
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Re:strange tiny clicks in same spots...
2012/08/10 00:33:55
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@ congalocke A great freeware http://www.sonalksis.com/freeg.htm I'm using it all the time in Renoise.. In Sonar.. usually when I master, but nonetheless a great meter plug in + freeware... You will have to download their authorizer, and create an account... I don't think its the original sample either.. but maybe that particular kick drum, just doesn't work with this particular project, or in this situation... maybe you tweaked a setting, didn't realize.. I do it all the time.. move things on accident and look for, "ctrl z." which.. does not work well in Sonar.. lol... @ SToons... yeah :p Shot at 2012-08-09
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Re:strange tiny clicks in same spots...
2012/08/10 00:43:41
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LP, Thanks for the share, will check it out and thanks to you and SToons for ideas/work arounds!
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