Maurice_Pleazee
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Re: subscription based sonar may be on the way?
2014/10/27 15:13:56
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I'm also not interested in a subscription based Sonar. I've been using Sonar X3 Producer for a year. It is so much more than I need. In fact, before I upgraded I was perfectly happy using Sonar 8.5. The Melodyne integration was what enticed me to upgrade. I can't imagine that the next version of Sonar will offer anything that would be so amazing that I would want to upgrade. But you never know...
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stevec
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Re: subscription based sonar may be on the way?
2014/10/27 16:07:24
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Hey, I just got the email with the survey today! 
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Beagle
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Re: subscription based sonar may be on the way?
2014/10/27 16:51:35
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they're obviously sending them out in batches. I just got a survey today, too.
BATCHES????? WE DOn NEED NO STINKIN BATCHES!!!
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dmbaer
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Re: subscription based sonar may be on the way?
2014/10/27 17:23:56
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spacey
Does not a free trial for software work for those wanting to "test the waters" ? And that's free with no risk .
We're talking about a DAW here. To evaluate whether or not it's your cup of tea, you've really got to commit to learning it and to learn it, you really need to use it extensively, IMO. Download a synth or effect - sure no problem to evaluate it in a brief amount of time. But not so a DAW - again, just IMO.
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spacey
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Re: subscription based sonar may be on the way?
2014/10/27 17:27:50
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dmbaer
spacey
Does not a free trial for software work for those wanting to "test the waters" ? And that's free with no risk .
We're talking about a DAW here. To evaluate whether or not it's your cup of tea, you've really got to commit to learning it and to learn it, you really need to use it extensively, IMO. Download a synth or effect - sure no problem to evaluate it in a brief amount of time. But not so a DAW - again, just IMO.
Wished you would have been here when I got Omnisphere.
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dubdisciple
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Re: subscription based sonar may be on the way?
2014/10/27 17:40:14
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I do think 30 days is not enough time to properly evaluate a DAW. i suppose that is where Reaper gets it right...at least from the consumer's perspective. i suspect sitting on the AOL nest egg money from selling winamp gives them the security to use an honor system that leads many to consider the program free. i still would not pay what amounts to full price to evaluate a product for a year.
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Guitarhacker
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Re: subscription based sonar may be on the way?
2014/10/28 08:26:19
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So...essentially, if you don't continue the subscription......
You get held up, and your data gets held for ransom.
Sounds like cryptolocker to me.
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Beagle
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Re: subscription based sonar may be on the way?
2014/10/28 08:37:12
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Guitarhacker
So...essentially, if you don't continue the subscription......
You get held up, and your data gets held for ransom.
Sounds like cryptolocker to me.
I have taken the survey. I did not see this anywhere in the survey, nor have I read anything from the bakers stating this would be the case. this may be what happens with some software subscriptions, but it doesn't mean cake will be taking that road. don't get me wrong, I'm not "for" having a subscription service - I'd rather have a choice when/where to pay for my upgrades. but I don't think anyone has said that it would be a ransom situation for your projects if you don't pay the subscription fees.
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craigb
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Re: subscription based sonar may be on the way?
2014/10/28 13:40:34
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I'm still running SONAR Producer v4. It works and does what I need.
I can't imagine what it will be like if you can't make a payment and then have no way to use anything you've been working on.
All of the arguments seem to be comparing between paying for upgrades or having a subscription. What about just knowing that your software will still work a few years down the road if you DON'T upgrade?
Heck, a LOT of companies are still using XP Pro as their OS...
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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dubdisciple
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Re: subscription based sonar may be on the way?
2014/10/28 15:01:46
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Guitarhacker
So...essentially, if you don't continue the subscription......
You get held up, and your data gets held for ransom.
Sounds like cryptolocker to me.
that is assuming an Adobe like structure. Who knows, they may have something in mind much less restrictive. I think it's probably best that we see what they have in mind, if anything at all, regarding subscription model before we get too worked up. I think it's clear that the Adobe model will not work for them.
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Zonno
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Re: subscription based sonar may be on the way?
2014/10/28 16:56:28
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This is the question in question: 
Cakewalk, Reason 10, KOMPLETE 11, BIAB 2018, Roland OctaCapture, Finale 26, PCR-300, HP ZBook, Guitars __________________ Any text above is a random collection of characters which bear no meaning whatsoever. The reader will be held liable for any damage due to interpretation of these characters.
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dubdisciple
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Re: subscription based sonar may be on the way?
2014/10/28 17:06:34
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I commented on the next session that i wished they had given me a none of the above option
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SteveStrummerUK
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Re: subscription based sonar may be on the way?
2014/10/28 17:43:05
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Zonno
This is the question in question:
I answered "Pay $99 once per year" to that. If I remember correctly, the next question asked you to explain why you had chosen the option you did... ... to which I replied "Because it is cheaper" But I do see the point of the question, as obviously some people prefer to pay a slight premium to spread their payments instead of stumping up a lump sum (I'm guessing the $99 gets paid up front).
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stevec
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Re: subscription based sonar may be on the way?
2014/10/28 17:49:17
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SteveStrummerUK
Zonno
This is the question in question:
I answered "Pay $99 once per year" to that.
If I remember correctly, the next question asked you to explain why you had chosen the option you did...
... to which I replied "Because it is cheaper"
But I do see the point of the question, as obviously some people prefer to pay a slight premium to spread their payments instead of stumping up a lump sum (I'm guessing the $99 gets paid up front).
That's what I thought as well. And it does include "...assuming you get the same benefits", however that might be intended.
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spacey
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Re: subscription based sonar may be on the way?
2014/10/28 18:54:56
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stevec
SteveStrummerUK
Zonno
This is the question in question:
I answered "Pay $99 once per year" to that.
If I remember correctly, the next question asked you to explain why you had chosen the option you did...
... to which I replied "Because it is cheaper"
But I do see the point of the question, as obviously some people prefer to pay a slight premium to spread their payments instead of stumping up a lump sum (I'm guessing the $99 gets paid up front).
That's what I thought as well. And it does include "...assuming you get the same benefits", however that might be intended.
I don't understand any of it. For Cake to be asking if a person needs or wants payment options for a friggin' amount that is less than what it takes to take a family out to eat a good dinner then this world is in a much crazier state than I could have ever imagined. NOT because there are people that can't afford to take their family out to eat but because someone that can't afford to do that is spending money on a friggin DAW when obviously they should be hanging on to it for their family needs. Please don't anyone try to explain this to me. At this point I really don't want to know anything else about this weird **** - I won't be reading, wasting my time reading this stupid **** again. Glad I didn't get the email.
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Andrew Rossa
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Re: subscription based sonar may be on the way?
2014/10/29 11:24:38
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spacey
stevec
SteveStrummerUK
Zonno
This is the question in question:
I answered "Pay $99 once per year" to that.
If I remember correctly, the next question asked you to explain why you had chosen the option you did...
... to which I replied "Because it is cheaper"
But I do see the point of the question, as obviously some people prefer to pay a slight premium to spread their payments instead of stumping up a lump sum (I'm guessing the $99 gets paid up front).
That's what I thought as well. And it does include "...assuming you get the same benefits", however that might be intended.
I don't understand any of it.
For Cake to be asking if a person needs or wants payment options for a friggin' amount that is less than what it takes to take a family out to eat a good dinner then this world is in a much crazier state than I could have ever imagined. NOT because there are people that can't afford to take their family out to eat but because someone that can't afford to do that is spending money on a friggin DAW when obviously they should be hanging on to it for their family needs.
Please don't anyone try to explain this to me. At this point I really don't want to know anything else about this weird **** - I won't be reading, wasting my time reading this stupid **** again. Glad I didn't get the email.
Doesn't hurt to ask now, does it? Or maybe it does...
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Andrew Rossa
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Re: subscription based sonar may be on the way?
2014/10/29 11:30:02
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Let me just reiterate that this survey is only to understand user behavior in today's market place. I believe we had a similar question a few years back about subscription service and still there's no subscription service for SONAR. I don't think anyone has any reason to fear us changing to the Adobe model. Maybe I know too much but it's just one question (of about 35 that we asked) that helps us understand what products consumers are using. Maybe this is a stretch but it's like us asking what iOS apps you use and why you like them (or not) and then you concluding that we are dropping desktop support for SONAR.
So to everyone who is speculating...relax. We are trying to make SONAR better for you (I swear).
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dubdisciple
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Re: subscription based sonar may be on the way?
2014/10/29 11:35:20
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*makes note to never ask spacey a question unless heb is 100% sure spacey will like question.
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soens
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Re: subscription based sonar may be on the way?
2014/10/29 13:43:37
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☄ Helpfulby Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk] 2014/10/29 15:03:34
THAT'S IT! NO SUBSCRIPTIONS FOR YOU!
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