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2018/03/19 16:01:32 (permalink)

syncing recordings

keyboard. Tyros 5
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Quest. adding a midi recorded track to the tyros 5 and audio track of that midi track to Sonar platinum live and synced
presetup. align the starting bars for the arrangement. SP and the T5
problem. tyros midi track is behind When played back through the T5 the sonar platinum audio track is perfect
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Re: syncing recordings 2018/03/19 18:52:37 (permalink)
Hi. How do you send MIDI to/from SONAR and the Tyros?
Which Driver and Latency setting do you use?
Any plugins in the project?
The more info, the easier it is to help.
All the best.

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Re: syncing recordings 2018/03/19 19:22:14 (permalink)
usb cable from my T5

yamaha driver. simple. sonar driver. I have no latency problem

No plug-ins are used
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Re: syncing recordings 2018/03/19 19:48:49 (permalink)
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usb cable from my T5

yamaha driver. simple. sonar driver. I have no latency problem

No plug-ins are used

So you do not have a dedicated Audio Interface?
That might be the cause of your issues.
If using MME, WDM/KS or WASAPI drivers you might get this latency.

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Re: syncing recordings 2018/03/19 19:51:16 (permalink)
No audio card in my computer that is dedicated I only use the AG – 06 Yamaha I have a very simple set up never had latency problems this is a matter of syncing it all up while trying to sync record my T5 Midi track and sonar audio track at the same time
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Re: syncing recordings 2018/03/19 20:10:29 (permalink)
Does the Tyrus act as a sound card/Audio Interface, with its own drivers?
I hope others will chime in that can help you, as I do not know what else it could be.
Have never used a Tyrus in my own setup, only as a synth.
Best of luck.

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Re: syncing recordings 2018/03/19 20:12:07 (permalink)
The tyros has its own USB cable. It’s audio goes back and forth along with it midi data Through that cable
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Re: syncing recordings 2018/03/19 20:19:38 (permalink)
SONAR still needs a driver to process the audio, hence the question which driver you used
It needs either ASIO, WASAPI, WDM/KS or MME drivers (as far as I know).
Found in Preferences (P), Audio, Playback and Recording.

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Re: syncing recordings 2018/03/19 20:25:23 (permalink)
sonar using mme
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Re: syncing recordings 2018/03/19 20:30:24 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2018/03/19 21:05:19
I would try WASAPI or WDM/KS drivers instead, as MME is the worst of them when it comes to latency.
Perhaps even try to install ASIO4ALL?
Some have had great success with that, compared to the other Win drivers.

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Re: syncing recordings 2018/03/19 20:38:55 (permalink)
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Re: syncing recordings 2018/03/19 21:06:28 (permalink)
Agree with Ken. Anything but MME.
Are you using any markers in this project ?
I could be wrong but if your using Pitch markers instead of regular markers it would def shift the pitch. Especially if you turned your midi to a groove clip by accident.
 
 

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Re: syncing recordings 2018/03/19 21:07:09 (permalink)
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Re: syncing recordings 2018/03/19 22:34:59 (permalink)

 
Seems there is a driver and knowing Yamaha it will be a Steinberg ASIO driver. 
 
At first it is not clear about Audio over the USB but it would seem this is possible looking in this manual. 
The important thing when syncing devices is choosing which device is the MASTER CLOCK. 
You may have to try a few settings found here. 
For me I always used Sonar as my Master clock. But this requires you telling your Tyros5 to become the slave. 
 


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Re: syncing recordings 2018/03/20 00:12:00 (permalink)
the T5 is my master. works perfect
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Re: syncing recordings 2018/03/20 22:33:13 (permalink)
I’d still be inclined to use Sonar as the master MIDI clock. That way you avoid potential problems working on the project without the T5 connected.

A couple of questions -

How are you monitoring audio output from the T5? Using Sonar’s audio track echo function or direct from the T5 or via the PC’s spundcard in some way?

When recording MIDI do you have local control on the T5 on or off?

How “out” is the MIDI compared to audio? Are we talking a few milliseconds or a longer period?

Have you tried adjusted the MIDI timing offset in Sonar’s MIDI preferences? If the MIDI is consistently off by a fixed amount that might solve the problem. All MIDI devices take a certain amount of time to convert MIDI into audio and it’s rare to get a perfect match in time between audio and MIDI because of that which is why SOnar lets you adjust for that delay. Usually that delay is a few milliseconds, certainly under 10ms. If you have several MIDI devices it’s almost certain that no two of them take the same amount of time to process MIDI, so some shifting of audio by hand can be necessary to get precise MIDI/recorded audio alignment.

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