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Re:the original "Boston" album remastered by Scholz- picked up a copy 2012/10/10 11:23:15 (permalink)
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So basically he was the annoying AV Club kid in the room who thought he was in control of everything but really did nothing? LOL!
Yeah, or mebee 'an actual audio engineer'.


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Re:the original "Boston" album remastered by Scholz- picked up a copy 2012/10/10 11:32:45 (permalink)
he's an MIT grad.

i'm sure he figured it out pretty quick.

seems you have an axe to grind over for scholz for some reason......?

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Re:the original "Boston" album remastered by Scholz- picked up a copy 2012/10/10 13:19:15 (permalink)
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he's an MIT grad.

i'm sure he figured it out pretty quick.

seems you have an axe to grind over for scholz for some reason......?
No, no axe to grind, it's just that, well, their original releases were greatly lacking in sound quality, and yet he portrays himself as this all wise and knowing audio engineer. I'm sure he's a nice guy with good intentions, but he really comes off like a douche in this article.

For example ... "Every nut and bolt came out of those songs. We tweaked all of the things that couldn't be done with the mixes in the '70s." <--- I mean, I dunno ... Dark Side Of The Moon came out in '73, that sounded pretty darn good. Countless other albums sounded good ... he just had to do this now because he did a lot of it in his basement at the time and it just didn't sound good.

I always though Boston's albums were sub par compared to other releases of the day ... then I read about how they were recorded, the sticky tape, overdubbing drums because they didn't record right, slowing down reel to reel tape by hand to line tracks up, and all that, and it all suddenly made sense as to why they sounded like crap to me.

And didn't they get sued at one point by their record company for plagiarizing themselves with their second album? I seem to remember reading something about that a long time ago ... can't find it on the net now.

Not a big deal, some of the songs were good enough to overlook the bad recordings, we used to do Amanda live.

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Re:the original "Boston" album remastered by Scholz- picked up a copy 2012/10/10 13:35:48 (permalink)
when i listen to that 1st album, i don't hear any lacking of sound quality.

i guess my ears aren't as good as yours.
heheh


"Boston has sold nearly 20 million copies"


 not bad, for a sub par album



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Re:the original "Boston" album remastered by Scholz- picked up a copy 2012/10/10 13:44:00 (permalink)
Bats,

I believe it could be said the general buying public knows little diff WRT sound quality.

They buy because of the songs (or so I'm told).
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Re:the original "Boston" album remastered by Scholz- picked up a copy 2012/10/10 13:56:36 (permalink)
we hope they buy for the songs!

heheh

otherwise, there would be a sh!tload of folks sitting around listening to "THE SINGING BOWLS OF TIBET"

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Re:the original "Boston" album remastered by Scholz- picked up a copy 2012/10/10 13:57:55 (permalink)
or worse yet....

"THE HUMAN LEAGUE-DON'T YOU WANT ME"

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Re:the original "Boston" album remastered by Scholz- picked up a copy 2012/10/10 13:58:34 (permalink)
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when i listen to that 1st album, i don't hear any lacking of sound quality.
I do ... but ... I should say I've only ever heard it on 8 - Track and CD. Never heard it on vinyl which Mr. Scholz seems to think is the preferable listening method.
i guess my ears aren't as good as yours.
heheh
Or mine are worse than I think! LOL!
"Boston has sold nearly 20 million copies"

not bad, for a sub par album
Didn't mean the music was sub par, just the sound quality, and of course, that's just my opinion and not to be taken as a factual comment. :-)

It could very well be that the vinyl versions did in fact sound great like Scholz says they do compared CD. Unfortunately I've never been able to do a comparison and always just assumed that the CD would be as good, if not a tinge better because you wouldn't have any of the surface noise at high volumes like you do with LP's.

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Re:the original "Boston" album remastered by Scholz- picked up a copy 2012/10/10 14:00:50 (permalink)
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Bats,

I believe it could be said the general buying public knows little diff WRT sound quality.

They buy because of the songs (or so I'm told).

There is a discussion over on Keyboard central with regards to the Grateful Dead.
The two diverse opposing camps"
 
con: the band sucks, endleless noodling, terrible harmonies/vocals,, blah blah
pros: pioneered the jam band, countless fans , not all dead heads, interesting blend rock, blues, counntry, etc
 
sold records, maybe not 20 mill, played everywhere when Jerry was not in rehab..

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Re:the original "Boston" album remastered by Scholz- picked up a copy 2012/10/10 14:01:04 (permalink)
the cd sounded awful to me, compared to a good vinyl copy on a nice playback system

it was worth the remaster, because 'the songs were so good'.

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Re:the original "Boston" album remastered by Scholz- picked up a copy 2012/10/10 23:33:31 (permalink)
I wish I could compare them.
During the 10 years my LPs were in storage at a friend's house, my original Boston LP disappeared. Along with a few other records.
I bought a CBS/Epic CD sometime in the '90s. It sounds pretty good to me, but I have ear damage, something I'm sometimes grateful for because I can't hear all the stuff that others say make the songs sound bad, or not as good.

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Re:the original "Boston" album remastered by Scholz- picked up a copy 2012/10/11 21:52:52 (permalink)
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it wasnt his basement,it was a rehearsal space in cambridge..
I was just reading their official web site. They have it locked so I can't copy/paste text.

Foreplay was recorded in his basement on a tape machine he made himself. It goes on to say other things were recorded there and at professional studios.

If you go to the site, turn your monitor volume down. It's loud ... and does it every time you click on something.

http://www.bandboston.com/flashsite7_6_12.html

I tried to link directly to the page where I read it, but they got that locked down too ... you have to go to the main page first ...


 
THIS FROM WIKI:
In an interview for the Best of Boston CD, Scholz said that "Foreplay" was the first song he ever recorded, and he did this on a two-track machine in his basement.[4]
"Long Time" is also a relatively early song, written about six years prior to the release of the Boston album.
 
Ya he did record that song in his basement..about 6 years prior to releasing it.
the professional recording studio your talking about was called 1178 mass ave. in cambridge.
where sholtz and boston moved into to record there debut album.
 
but,go ahead and have it bub....
i could be wrong in a few instances here.
im only going on word of mouth and people who worked with sholtzy here in boston.
but then again,if it were bon jovi,i'd would be pulling qoutes down from their website when i know well that you grew up in jersey..lol.
 
all the songs on that first album were written in a 6 year period i believe,also recorded in different places,mostly in toms basement(which was in watertown mass(not sure if the site or google will reveal that but thats exatly where it was.)
but then recorded for the album in cambidge then shipped off to(dont qoute me)the record plant ny,ny.
i could be wrong here give or take a few things.
 
 

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Re:the original "Boston" album remastered by Scholz- picked up a copy 2012/10/11 22:42:04 (permalink)
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it wasnt his basement,it was a rehearsal space in cambridge..
I was just reading their official web site. They have it locked so I can't copy/paste text.

Foreplay was recorded in his basement on a tape machine he made himself. It goes on to say other things were recorded there and at professional studios.

If you go to the site, turn your monitor volume down. It's loud ... and does it every time you click on something.

http://www.bandboston.com/flashsite7_6_12.html

I tried to link directly to the page where I read it, but they got that locked down too ... you have to go to the main page first ...
THIS FROM WIKI:
In an interview for the Best of Boston CD, Scholz said that "Foreplay" was the first song he ever recorded, and he did this on a two-track machine in his basement.[4]
"Long Time" is also a relatively early song, written about six years prior to the release of the Boston album.
 
Ya he did record that song in his basement..about 6 years prior to releasing it.
the professional recording studio your talking about was called 1178 mass ave. in cambridge.
where sholtz and boston moved into to record there debut album.
 
but,go ahead and have it bub....
i could be wrong in a few instances here.
im only going on word of mouth and people who worked with sholtzy here in boston.
but then again,if it were bon jovi,i'd would be pulling qoutes down from their website when i know well that you grew up in jersey..lol.
 
all the songs on that first album were written in a 6 year period i believe,also recorded in different places,mostly in toms basement(which was in watertown mass(not sure if the site or google will reveal that but thats exatly where it was.)
but then recorded for the album in cambidge then shipped off to(dont qoute me)the record plant ny,ny.
i could be wrong here give or take a few things.
Bon Jovi! LOL! I couldn't tell you 2 songs he did. The only one I ever heard was that one with the 12 string intro ... don't even remember the name! Dead Or Alive IIRC? But I did know a lady that went to college with him. She said he was a really nice guy. She owned the campground we used to play at up in The Pocono's.

Sorry if I came off like a dick Chuck. I was doing about 10 different things that day and was just typing a quick note to you without a whole lot of thought as to how it might read.

I am interested to hear this remaster because apparently the CD was as bad as I remember it and I never heard the LP version. It would be great to hear a nice mix of this.

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Re:the original "Boston" album remastered by Scholz- picked up a copy 2012/10/12 01:12:07 (permalink)
There were a lot of bad sounding CD's out in the 80's. I remember my stepdad buying our first CD player in '83 or '84, it was a Marantz (built like a tank with a huge heat sink on the back). A lot of the CD's he was buying sounded pretty flat and lifeless. I think we were just all blown away by the lack of surface noises or tape hiss (wow...soooo clean!). As I recall we had the Genesis album "Genesis" on both CD and vinyl and it clearly sounded better on vinyl, also a Dire Straits album which sounded very one dimensional. This was the early days of CD mastering and I guess they still had a lot to learn. 
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Re:the original "Boston" album remastered by Scholz- picked up a copy 2012/10/12 07:24:46 (permalink)
Listening to Boston and Don't Look Back Now.

It's a blast from the past and it's a reminder that the albums had great songs and song writing.


Good times.


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