Sampletank 3 crashing Sonar

Hi all,
 
Earlier this year I custom built I new studio computer and immediately ran into some repeated crashing issues with it after setting it up. At the time one of the main culprits for causing the crashes seemed to be ST3.
 
With the amazing help of some of the good folks on these forums I worked through most of my issues and discovered things I had forgotten to deal with when setting up my system and all was well, or so I thought.
 
Despite the fact I solved many of the problems I was having with my new system, I now realise that because of the repeated ST3 issues I was having I simply began to stop using it in my productions as I had time critical work to complete so I deferred to my proven stable plug-ins. Recently I reached for ST3 again as I knew it had a particular sound I needed and boom - we are on the first train straight back to crash-ville again.
 
My system is a core i7 7700 with 32Gb of ram and SSD's for both system and sample drives - plenty of grunt to run all I need. However even an empty project with a single instance of ST3 called up - play a good bunch of notes in fast succession and Sonar crashes and the report window points to ST3 as the cause.
 
I wondered if it was because I had the ST3 plugin on the system drive and the sample data on the sample drive - but tonight I tried moving all the sample data on the standard installation path on the system drive but to no avail - 1 instance, handful of notes and boom.
 
Strangely ST3 runs absolutely fine on my older, slower laptop with only 8Gb and a mech HDD - Go figure?
 
Anybody got any wisdom to impart on this problem I would be glad to hear it!!
 
Thanks in advance
 
Chris - SquareSpiral 
 
 

SampleTank 3 was updated to v3.7 around the time that Syntronik was released this year.

jude77
 
I think this is your solution.  I had the exact same problem, did the above steps and now ST3 is happy with SONAR.
 
Good luck.

Was it buffer settings or VST3?

VST3 SampleTank NOT crashing Sonar here.

Well that was quick!
 
Removed the VST3 - loaded a single instance of the VST2, played some notes and instant crash!!!
 
The fault reporter talked about the sampletank3.vpa file if that gives anyone any clues?
 
Chris

abacab

jude77
 
I think this is your solution.  I had the exact same problem, did the above steps and now ST3 is happy with SONAR.
 
Good luck.

Was it buffer settings or VST3?

It was the VST3.  Delete that using MSorrells direction and you should be good.

So some quick stress testing later and as other here have posited I would count the VST2 as more stable under load that the VST3 - in my system YMMV etc..
 
So the take away for me from this is that Sonar and the ID14 app are not always talking well when setting buffer sizes - Looks like I can include ST3 back into the production arsenal again.
 
Thanks very much to all who took time to comment and share ideas
 
Cheers
 
Chris - SquareSpiral

I took a shot when I installed on my Surface a d went with the vst3. So far no problems. But.it's my Surface, it really doesn't get stressed that much.

But in my music PC, I didn't install the vst3 version because of all the reports I saw.

LANEY
VST3 works with no problems on my system.

ditto (although I rarely use SONAR Platinum any longer, but don't recall having issues and always use VST3)

TigerTheFrog
I can load easily load up five instances each (and probably more) of Sampletank 3 and Syntronik as instruments and so far have had no issues or crashes.  
 
But if I try to load even one instance of either Sampletank 3 or Syntronik as a track template, Sonar Platinum immediately crashes. It's a drag because I like to use track templates, but I've learned I can't use them with these two instruments.  Maybe I will experiment with a reinstallation with VST2 at some point for both of them, as the problems with track templates could point to trouble ahead.   

Interesting... 
 
I usually insert SampleTank 3 with only the first stereo output, or as a simple instrument track, so don't normally encounter track templates with this plugin.
 
So I created a track template for ST3 using all stereo audio outs:  16 audio tracks + 1 MIDI track.
 
The first test project I created and saved in Sonar using just this template crashed Sonar on closing the project file twice in a row.  APPCRASH in SONARPLT.exe.  But no crashes on opening the project file.
 
But now it opens and closes just fine.  Cannot reproduce this again.  Weird...

I do NOT know if this is at all related, and may be a completely new set of issues with ST3, but even with ST3's VST3 version out of the picture, I cannot get ST3 to allow me to select ASIO as a driver mode in its options.
 
As soon as I click on ASIO, instead of Windows Direct (I think that is the name), ST3 simply hangs (this is running ST3 in stand-alone mode).  I have to actually pull up Task Manager to kill it.
 
Bob Bone

Try adjusting your audio card's buffer setting.