I bought the 8.5 upgrade, and again paid for the defective product. Still not corrected Instrument Track options. Still when you copy and paste the MIDI tracks, paths are duplicated, and Cakewalk is not doing anything in that direction. Shame, because in Cubase, this feature works great.

what do you mean paths are duplicated?

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Paths are duplicated?

I don't understand.

Yes, the path of the copying and pasting are duplicated. I put a link to the Scrin.

Scrin Sonar 8.5

Still when you copy and paste the MIDI tracks,

I'm not sure I follow exactly what you want to achieve, but if I need an extra MIDI track for an inserted instrument (say, because it is multi-timbral), I select the instrument track and use Clone Track from the right-click context menu.  This produces a pair of new tracks, so I simply delete the unwanted synth audio track, leaving the original instrument track and a new MIDI track assigned to that instrument.  I can then set the MIDI channel parameters of the two remaining tracks as necessary to suit the multi-timbral instrument.  Is that what you want to do, or have I missed the point?

I guess you know that if a track is selected (i.e. yellow flag in its top left corner) then Sonar will copy, paste, or delete it along with the current track.  That's typically how I accidentally get duplicates - FWIW, it can be most irritating if you accidentally delete an off-screen track this way and don't notice it's gone for some time

wow fantastic Chris, I just learn by what you posted how to prepare midi tracks for multimbral softh synth, now if i can figure out how to make for example Rapture or Dim pro act as a multitimbral instrument I'll be set : ) I know you have an option to make it so, but it doesn't work for me for some reason.. I click the option on, but nothing...it defaults back to whatever voice is on channel one for the other channels...darn!

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it defaults back to whatever voice is on channel one for the other channels...darn!

Well, I guess you know that Rapture and Dim Pro are not really multi-timbral, so what you can do is limited.  When you switch the synth to this quasi-multi-timbral mode (oops - I can already feel Rene getting ready to shoot me down) then the individual elements in the patch  (Program in RGC speak) respond separately to their respective MIDI channels.  So, to get anything out of this mode, you need to be using a patch that has multiple elements and then use the screwdriver icon to select "Set Program as Multi-timbral".  Bear in mind that this is a "per Program" option, so it is saved in the patch (if you save it!) but it does not persist if you subsequently change to a new patch.  It works as expected for me, although I have not found much use for it.  I must say, I do not know what happens if you try it on a patch that has Elements chained together, so look out for that. HTH.

I do not want to do anything in the multi. I record the midi USB and how to record something, then I want to duplicate the copy, then paste the results in additional duplicate and do not need the path. It seems to me that if something is done, this must be done neatly and accurately, and Sonar 8.5 is more nuanced and pay for it do not need, so ...(?)

This problem is shown in which previously enclosed scrinie. In previous versions feature Instrument Track how to work, now it seems programmers of Cakewalk went on and missed a sitter correct this error, which is really bad shows such great company.

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I do not want to do anything in the multi. I record the midi USB and how to record something, then I want to duplicate the copy, then paste the results in additional duplicate and do not need the path. It seems to me that if something is done, this must be done neatly and accurately, and Sonar 8.5 is more nuanced and pay for it do not need, so ...(?)

This problem is shown in which previously enclosed scrinie. In previous versions feature Instrument Track how to work, now it seems programmers of Cakewalk went on and missed a sitter correct this error, which is really bad shows such great company.
 

 
If this post was written in a comprehensible manner it might be possible to assist the OP with his/her problem.
 
If English (American or UK) isn't your primary language you should specify such and make a serious effort to have your problem translated into understandable terms...(Example: I record the midi USB and how to record something, then I want to duplicate the copy, then paste the results in additional duplicate and do not need the path.) Exactly what does that mean???
 
Amazing, 8.5 has only been out for what, two days?, and already the deluge of "bitching" has begun, probably due more to operator error or system deficiencies than anything else.
 
If what you want to achieve works in Cubase (as in your original post), why use SONAR at all? Just my 2¢ worth...

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they still havent fixed this bug ?? oh my god.... :(

How to reproduce this bug :

Insert 2 softsynths as simple instrument track.
Create some midi-event on each track.

Press ctrl+a to hightlick both tracks and event-clips. Then copy clip-events (ctrl+c).
Now try to paste it (ctrl+v), destination : starting at track 1. ...As you can see this results in sonar creating new tracks which is not correct.

I dont get this bug if I split the instrument tracks and repeat the process...

fnukyguy


they still havent fixed this bug ?? oh my god.... :(

How to reproduce this bug :

Insert 2 softsynths as simple instrument track.
Create some midi-event on each track.

Press ctrl+a to hightlick both tracks and event-clips. Then copy clip-events (ctrl+c).
Now try to paste it (ctrl+v), destination : starting at track 1. ...As you can see this results in sonar creating new tracks which is not correct.

I dont get this bug if I split the instrument tracks and repeat the process...

So if I'm hearing right it is only when you copy 2 tracks together?

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they still havent fixed this bug ?? oh my god.... :( How to reproduce this bug : Insert 2 softsynths as simple instrument track. Create some midi-event on each track. Press ctrl+a to hightlick both tracks and event-clips. Then copy clip-events (ctrl+c). Now try to paste it (ctrl+v), destination : starting at track 1. ...As you can see this results in sonar creating new tracks which is not correct. I dont get this bug if I split the instrument tracks and repeat the process...

It has been my understanding that you do not want to edit instruments tracks. It was not meant for that. That is why they can be split up into MIDI and audio tracks. If you want to do things as described you should split them first. Instrument tracks were meant for simple user needs. What you are thinking is a bug is really outside of the use intended for them.

There really is no good reason to use them if you wish to do a lot of editing on them.

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The screen (scrine) shot  in OP post #4 shows the problem quite clearly.

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I love the idea of instrument tracks, less clutter on screen...I dont understand the reason for NOT using instrument tracks, because I can do all the editing I need..What kind of edits can u not do in a instrument track, John?

if I remember correctly the copy/paste bug was fixed in version 8.0.1, but then magically reintroduced in later versions...

If you a bothered with this bug, please report it here http://www.cakewalk.com/S...mReporter/Default.aspx

The tracks on SCRIN that show as "dubled" the session drummer is actually the audio output track for the session drummer with the wrong Icon for some reason but it is the audio output  track I believe.

When copying/pasting multiple tracks there is a box that comes up where you have to select "starting with track #" that likely wasn't selected so it will put it into the tracks designated there.  Would have to select starting with track 2 in the example shown.  I tried it out and as long as those steps are followed it works as expected.

I get what you are seeing as well.  Interestingly, as a workaround (which may not work for all circumstances), you can lasso select all the clips you want and then ctrl drag them and they copy correctly.

Seems like this would be quite a nuisance if you wanted to take all of the instrument tracks of a chorus and paste it later in the song to another chorus.  I guess I got so used to the two track thing (midi+audio for an instrument) that I haven't run into this with instrument tracks, as they are NOW my default, but in older projects they are still split tracks.

This one definitely seems like one for the bug fix list - especially since it seems to have found its way into a few different versions.

Hope that helps.

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blades! thanks for the tip about the lasso select thing :) beautiful workaround!
hmm only problem is that I dont get all the features thats in the paste menu, like how many times I want the clip to be repeated

Ok I made a video for those that don't understand the issue.. Here you go.
Sonar 8.5 copy/paste bug.

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I can reproduce that here as well.
Looks like a bug to me.

3 workarounds.

1. Copy only 1 track at a time.
2. Drag copy.
3. If the tracks being copied/pasted
   are all inside a track folder then
   the copy/paste seems to work
   correctly.

Workaround 3 is the best option IMHO.

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So if I'm hearing right it is only when you copy 2 tracks together?

It seems to be multiple tracks.

The bottom most track gets moved to a new track below.

Unless the tracks being copy/pasted are in a track folder

Putting all the simple instrument tracks in a trackfolder (workaround 3) does not fix the bug for me on Sonar 8.3.1.  I have not tried with 8.5.1.

Fret wizz, are u using 8.5.1?

Yeah 8.5.1

Sorry ... should've made that clear.

fnukyguy


Putting all the simple instrument tracks in a trackfolder (workaround 3) does not fix the bug for me on Sonar 8.3.1.  I have not tried with 8.5.1.

Fret wizz, are u using 8.5.1?

Nor I in 8.5.1. Bug still present.
Ctrl drag is the only workaround on my system..

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What about good old CTRL+LMouse drag/drop?
And why is this one click solution 'workaround'?

But anyhow, bug is bug and need to be fixed...

looks like we have conflicting report about wether putting all the simple instrument tracks inside a track folder fixes the problem in 8.5.1 ....
anyone else tested if it works?

John

they still havent fixed this bug ?? oh my god.... :( How to reproduce this bug : Insert 2 softsynths as simple instrument track. Create some midi-event on each track. Press ctrl+a to hightlick both tracks and event-clips. Then copy clip-events (ctrl+c). Now try to paste it (ctrl+v), destination : starting at track 1. ...As you can see this results in sonar creating new tracks which is not correct. I dont get this bug if I split the instrument tracks and repeat the process...

It has been my understanding that you do not want to edit instruments tracks. It was not meant for that. That is why they can be split up into MIDI and audio tracks. If you want to do things as described you should split them first. Instrument tracks were meant for simple user needs. What you are thinking is a bug is really outside of the use intended for them.

There really is no good reason to use them if you wish to do a lot of editing on them.

John, if true, that's a poor excuse on Cakewalk's part. I think Sonar users just want the same kind of instrument tracks that Reaper, Cubase, etc., offer where the MIDI on the softsynth track, controls that softsynth and can still be worked on and tweaked as though it were a normal MIDI track. If Sonar's Instrument Tracks weren't designed with the concept of editing MIDI in mind, then why even include it as a feature (i.e. do it right or don't do it at all)? And "simple user needs" doesn't quite satisfy me in terms of an answer either? Sonar's a professional program, and should be geared to towards simple user needs. Let those users stick to Home Studio or whatever... 

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Funkybot, see, I'm of the opposite mind. Some times I want to start with simple instrument tracks, especially if I'm just comping. If I'm just 'making my demo' I just want to have a single BFD2 track. When it gets to mixing it's O so handy to split that to separate tracks and clone the audio tracks. My StylusRMX template is set to load it as an instrument track and if I end up using more than one channel I can do this with a 'flick of the switch'.

Not saying that there's not room for improvements and optimization - and, apparently, bug fixes - but in its current operational logic I think its a fairly graceful way of dealing with old smokes like myself who are used to Sonar's two-track-for-everything legacy.

I've never encountered this particular issue cause I, too, just lasso and Ctrl-drag.

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Ok I made a video for those that don't understand the issue.. Here you go.
Sonar 8.5 copy/paste bug.

Video doesn't work on a Mac with Firefox 3.5.3. Downloaded the video and Windows Media Player gives this error message: The channel does not support the stream format.

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Ok I made a video for those that don't understand the issue.. Here you go.
Sonar 8.5 copy/paste bug.

Video doesn't work on a Mac with Firefox 3.5.3. Downloaded the video and Windows Media Player gives this error message: The channel does not support the stream format.

Yes if you don't have Vista or Windows 7 you will need to use WMP 11 to view.

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Ok I made a video for those that don't understand the issue.. Here you go.
Sonar 8.5 copy/paste bug.

Video doesn't work on a Mac with Firefox 3.5.3. Downloaded the video and Windows Media Player gives this error message: The channel does not support the stream format.

Yes if you don't have Vista or Windows 7 you will need to use WMP 11 to view.

That sucks. You locked out a goodly number of people with that. It really should be changed to something a bit more accessible than what Microsnot considers the latest/greatest software. Not everyone runs the latest versions of software (even on our daws).

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