Just a little reminder for those of you who are "just blowing off steam", your lives are no harder than any others. I think if you look around, you will note that most of us can control ourselves. I think its time to learn to be adults. 

However, as it has been clearly demonstrated that there is a complete unwillingness to consider others by the Coffee House Gang, and clear you only want things your way, I propose we lobby the PTB to create a new area just for the those who aspire to nothing more than Beavis and Butthead levels of "humor". That way, they can post all the idiocy they want, while those who want to be a little more evolved can have a place to discuss the things they like without a pile of inane post hijacking replies and pointless threads (or childish tantrums like the recent mass postings).

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Maybe someone more evolved than you will point out that insisting on getting the last word, beating a dead horse and criticizing others who have a different point of view isn't "mature". Sighing sadly and just letting it be would be the mature response, IMHO.

And maybe the childish tantrums aren't childish tantrums so much as deliberate statements.

But a more evolved person wouldn't be caught dead making such points.

Sigh.

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On the idea of forums, the idea of a 'Pub' style forum I would like to suggest is one that allows the 'stupid' posts/threads or what have you to exist. One does not need to be serious all the time, just as one can have serious threads as well. To me, it should not be a matter of either/or...it can be both    

If everyone took life a little more sanely it might be a better forum...these things just do not occur over night however.

You want to see a more adult style forum then treat those you see as different as if they were adults.  

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However, as it has been clearly demonstrated that there is a complete unwillingness to consider others by the Coffee House Gang, and clear you only want things your way ...

Hey gang, what color are we going with for our gang member bandana's, red, blue, or burnt sienna?

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Maybe someone more evolved than you will point out that insisting on getting the last word, beating a dead horse and criticizing others who have a different point of view isn't "mature". Sighing sadly and just letting it be would be the mature response, IMHO.

And maybe the childish tantrums aren't childish tantrums so much as deliberate statements.

But a more evolved person wouldn't be caught dead making such points.

Sigh.

Blah blah blah.


What do you do with a child who deliberately throws all the eggs on the floor because he wants toast when he is told he is having eggs? Sigh sadly and do nothing? Maybe you do... I dunno.

There are mature ways of making statements, and then there was the way Reece chose. A choice I have zero respect for. You guys are even worse than John upstairs. Here you pretend to be "better" than him, but the reality is far different.



But whatever. Just continue on with your jas and ams and bacon, Beavis. I am done. You win. The sandbox is yours.

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However, as it has been clearly demonstrated that there is a complete unwillingness to consider others by the Coffee House Gang

Who is this gang?  I feel it's something I don't belong to now not having posted for the last day or two.

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foxwolfen

I am done. You win. The sandbox is yours.

I think I can safely say nobody wants that.

"I pulled the head off Elvis, filled Fred up to his pelvis, yaba daba do, the King is gone, and so are you."

You guys are even worse than John upstairs. Here you pretend to be "better" than him, but the reality is far different.

Again with that broad brush, you'll notice that Steve's now famous post was actually made by John upstairs in the first instance and I made a point of totally agreeing with that version of it before Steve posted all but the same message here.

John's newer version was distinguished by the fact that it didn't contain the inflammatory thrust that the one he posted directly here a coupla weeks ago did.

When you are being general could you at least be specific.

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Jon, when I first posted about "Gangs and Bullies", I was not trying to point specific fingers at specific people or actions, but trying to get us all to consider how we are acting, consider how many complaints there are about the CH being a "clique".

What this is coming down to is simply a few who want to be unfettered in anything they say or do, but doing so at the expense of the rest who want a bit less anarchy. A bit more respect in threads. To be taken seriously, even when people do not agree with them, or are bored by the topic.

If this is wrong, then I want no part of it.

The worst part is, the past few days have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is a clique or gang. Why do these same people not practice what they preach... instead of hijacking threads and subject lines because they are bored, simply leave them alone instead? What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Maybe my meter is wrong, but it seems to me that the "Majority" is speaking right now. Many voices are all asking for the same thing. Clean it up. And I will confess that some of those voices surprised the sh*t out of me.

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You know. 

This could have been handled a little better if it was taken through PM?

I think that might have been a little more useful than bickerfests....

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trimph1


You know. 

This could have been handled a little better if it was taken through PM?

I think that might have been a little more useful than bickerfests....

 I am sorry, but that doesn't even make sense.

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foxwolfen


Jon, when I first posted about "Gangs and Bullies", I was not trying to point specific fingers at specific people or actions, but trying to get us all to consider how we are acting, consider how many complaints there are about the CH being a "clique".

What this is coming down to is simply a few who want to be unfettered in anything they say or do, but doing so at the expense of the rest who want a bit less anarchy. A bit more respect in threads. To be taken seriously, even when people do not agree with them, or are bored by the topic.

If this is wrong, then I want no part of it.

The worst part is, the past few days have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is a clique or gang. Why do these same people not practice what they preach... instead of hijacking threads and subject lines because they are bored, simply leave them alone instead? What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Maybe my meter is wrong, but it seems to me that the "Majority" is speaking right now. Many voices are all asking for the same thing. Clean it up. And I will confess that some of those voices surprised the sh*t out of me.

Shad I'm in agreement with your intended wishes here, I'm just taking a wait and see approach and it will either settle down into somewhere I want to remain or it won't and I'll leave.

People will do what they are going to meantime.  I visit other places too, the majority here will decide even without a rally, election or individual vote.

If it doesn't change for the better it will go under conversely it will improve.  All I can do is take care of my own input which currently doesn't include input about the input of others.

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foxwolfen

trimph1


You know. 

This could have been handled a little better if it was taken through PM?

I think that might have been a little more useful than bickerfests....

 I am sorry, but that doesn't even make sense.

Of course it does. To me.


You had some issues with certain posters...why not use PM?


Or, if not, then mute?

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foxwolfen


Jon, when I first posted about "Gangs and Bullies", I was not trying to point specific fingers at specific people or actions, but trying to get us all to consider how we are acting, consider how many complaints there are about the CH being a "clique".

What this is coming down to is simply a few who want to be unfettered in anything they say or do, but doing so at the expense of the rest who want a bit less anarchy. A bit more respect in threads. To be taken seriously, even when people do not agree with them, or are bored by the topic.

If this is wrong, then I want no part of it.

The worst part is, the past few days have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is a clique or gang. Why do these same people not practice what they preach... instead of hijacking threads and subject lines because they are bored, simply leave them alone instead? What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Maybe my meter is wrong, but it seems to me that the "Majority" is speaking right now. Many voices are all asking for the same thing. Clean it up. And I will confess that some of those voices surprised the sh*t out of me.

Shad I'm in agreement with your intended wishes here, I'm just taking a wait and see approach and it will either settle down into somewhere I want to remain or it won't and I'll leave.

People will do what they are going to meantime.  I visit other places too, the majority here will decide even without a rally, election or individual vote.

If it doesn't change for the better it will go under or it will improve.  All I can do is take care of my own input which currently doesn't include input about the input of others.

You are very wise (and I had noticed by the way). A lesson I am trying to learn myself. Maybe its time to practice what I preach and stop now.

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trimph1


On the idea of forums, the idea of a 'Pub' style forum I would like to suggest is one that allows the 'stupid' posts/threads or what have you to exist. One does not need to be serious all the time, just as one can have serious threads as well. To me, it should not be a matter of either/or...it can be both    

If everyone took life a little more sanely it might be a better forum...these things just do not occur over night however.

You want to see a more adult style forum then treat those you see as different as if they were adults.  

Just a gentle reminder.


I'm not saying that one should be in a situation where people have to think about leaving a forum. It is just that we appreciate, or learn to appreciate, each one for their own unique ways of doing things. 


I'd like to think in terms of inclusion, rather than, exclusion.

The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate.

Bushpianos

trimph1

foxwolfen

trimph1


You know. 

This could have been handled a little better if it was taken through PM?

I think that might have been a little more useful than bickerfests....

 I am sorry, but that doesn't even make sense.

Of course it does. To me.


You had some issues with certain posters...why not use PM?


Or, if not, then mute?

The answer to those questions are contained in many replies by me in this and other posts already. In fact you just need to look up a bit and you will have your answer.

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Let me get this right... you want an off-off-topic area?

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Let me get this right... you want an off-off-topic area?

I don't know but I think someone has done a "PC modules" on the forum and made it compulsory to read all posts. I think that is what has happened, I can't make it out. I'm watching on with my usual morbid fascination.

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Just a little reminder for those of you who are "just blowing off steam", your lives are no harder than any others. I think if you look around, you will note that most of us can control ourselves. I think its time to learn to be adults. 

However, as it has been clearly demonstrated that there is a complete unwillingness to consider others by the Coffee House Gang, and clear you only want things your way, I propose we lobby the PTB to create a new area just for the those who aspire to nothing more than Beavis and Butthead levels of "humor". That way, they can post all the idiocy they want, while those who want to be a little more evolved can have a place to discuss the things they like without a pile of inane post hijacking replies and pointless threads (or childish tantrums like the recent mass postings).

I know I've been here quite some time and should know to whom you refer so at the risk
of sounding like a stupid would you please tell me who the members of the CH Gang are so
I can make a determination if it really exists or is just an imaginary gang that you've had a run-in
with.
Hell, I may be part of it and not even realize it.

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foxwolfen


Just a little reminder for those of you who are "just blowing off steam", your lives are no harder than any others. I think if you look around, you will note that most of us can control ourselves. I think its time to learn to be adults. 

However, as it has been clearly demonstrated that there is a complete unwillingness to consider others by the Coffee House Gang, and clear you only want things your way, I propose we lobby the PTB to create a new area just for the those who aspire to nothing more than Beavis and Butthead levels of "humor". That way, they can post all the idiocy they want, while those who want to be a little more evolved can have a place to discuss the things they like without a pile of inane post hijacking replies and pointless threads (or childish tantrums like the recent mass postings).

I know I've been here quite some time and should know to whom you refer so at the risk
of sounding like a stupid would you please tell me who the members of the CH Gang are so
I can make a determination if it really exists or is just an imaginary gang that you've had a run-in
with.
Hell, I may be part of it and not even realize it.

Looks like you may be unaware of it but you seem to be in my gang just now.

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spacey

foxwolfen


Just a little reminder for those of you who are "just blowing off steam", your lives are no harder than any others. I think if you look around, you will note that most of us can control ourselves. I think its time to learn to be adults. 

However, as it has been clearly demonstrated that there is a complete unwillingness to consider others by the Coffee House Gang, and clear you only want things your way, I propose we lobby the PTB to create a new area just for the those who aspire to nothing more than Beavis and Butthead levels of "humor". That way, they can post all the idiocy they want, while those who want to be a little more evolved can have a place to discuss the things they like without a pile of inane post hijacking replies and pointless threads (or childish tantrums like the recent mass postings).

I know I've been here quite some time and should know to whom you refer so at the risk
of sounding like a stupid would you please tell me who the members of the CH Gang are so
I can make a determination if it really exists or is just an imaginary gang that you've had a run-in
with.
Hell, I may be part of it and not even realize it.

Looks like you may be unaware of it but you seem to be in my gang just now.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2551268

Man Jon...I'm thinking if Shad is the only one that knows who the members of the gang are
and he won't let us know then the only thing my simple little collection of gray matter can
come up with is just to assume the worse (sorry Drew) and count myself as a member.
So, as a member of the CH Gang may I respectfully ask for a role call? I'd sure like to
know if I'm in my backyard or the neighbors because I sure as hell can't tell.
 
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Eventually, I was kicked once they developed standards. 

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I was in a gang once.  Well, I was the only member.  We couldn't agree on our identity.  For awhile, we were The Losers, then we were The Outcasts.  Those were seen as too mainstream, so we tried being The Obsequious.  That didn't stand up to the challenge process, however. 

Eventually, I was kicked once they developed standards. 

Gang of one?

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foxwolfen


Just a little reminder for those of you who are "just blowing off steam", your lives are no harder than any others. I think if you look around, you will note that most of us can control ourselves. I think its time to learn to be adults. 

However, as it has been clearly demonstrated that there is a complete unwillingness to consider others by the Coffee House Gang, and clear you only want things your way, I propose we lobby the PTB to create a new area just for the those who aspire to nothing more than Beavis and Butthead levels of "humor". That way, they can post all the idiocy they want, while those who want to be a little more evolved can have a place to discuss the things they like without a pile of inane post hijacking replies and pointless threads (or childish tantrums like the recent mass postings).

Sorry Shad, I know you're a good guy, but I happen to disagree with you on this one.

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I was in a gang once.  Well, I was the only member.  We couldn't agree on our identity.  For awhile, we were The Losers, then we were The Outcasts.  Those were seen as too mainstream, so we tried being The Obsequious.  That didn't stand up to the challenge process, however. 

Eventually, I was kicked once they developed standards. 

Do you have the gang jacket left from the Obsequious version of the gang? That would be cool!
 
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