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Can someone from Cakewalk possibly clarify this Eupohonix support issue?
Hello, It seems there is really only confusing, potentially conflicting, information being circulated on the topic of whether or not Sonar Producer 7.0.2 (and really, any Windows based DAW for that matter) FULLY or even partially supports the newly announced Euphonix MC Control and MC Mix DAW control surfaces. Here's the information that I have seen so far: 1. Sonar Producer 7.0.2, through the use of the control surface plugin available for download from this site, now supports the EuCon protocol, and says it supports any Euphonix control surface. 2. The latest videos from Winter NAMM 08 that demonstrate the MC Control and MC Mix, mention support for Sonar, but: 3. The Euphonix web site that details the new control surfaces, pretty explicitly states that they are compatible with the MAC ONLY. And herein lies the confusion. Is the Euphonix website just not up to date, and it's indeed true that these control surfaces can now be supported on a Windows platform, and are FULLY functional for Sonar Producer 7.0.2 (i.e. - equal level of functionality to DAWs that are fully " EuCon Aware", such as Logic Pro 8), or is there only support for the Professional line of Euphonix surface(i.e - the MUCH more expensive ones.  )? If the EuCon software is, in fact, only supported on the MAC as the Euphonix website seems to indicate, is that where the Sonar control surface plugin comes in? Does it replace the EuCon software and basically act as a Windows version of it? If the above is true, does the plugin truly implement the entire EuCon protocol, taking advantage of all the functionality and the increased speed and resolution, or does the plugin still communicate in some sort of Mackie emulation mode? If they are compatible with Sonar, are all the features that are available to "fully EuCon aware" DAWs like Logic 8 available to SONAR, or is it a subset of those features? There are some great features on these surfaces that, in my mind, make them an even better solution than the Mackie Control, but if those features aren't available to SONAR, and these are just going to be a prettier, smaller, more expensive Mackie, I'll save my money. I know, a lot of questions for one post, but I (and I'm sure a lot of others) would GREATLY appreciate someone from Cakewalk providing a definitive answer on this. I've looked around quite a bit, both on this website and others, and haven't found anything definitive, but if I've overlooked something and someone can point me to it, that would be great also. Thanks in Advance, Dan
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thomasabarnes
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RE: Can someone from Cakewalk possibly clarify this Eupohonix support issue?
January 24, 08 0:49 PM
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I'm interested in knowing the answer to these question, as well. The MC Control and MC Mix control surfaces do look attractive, and so do the prices of those 2 items. Also, in the future, I hope we can see some great control surfaces, MIDI keyboards, and audio interfaces products from Cakewalk and Roland that can compete all the way up to the high end gear level for these types of products (but that may be too unrealistic of an expectation, seeing this joint effort is still fairly new and Roland isn't a huge company as Yamaha or some other large company that can produce a wide selection of the types of gear I mentioned)! Here's hoping and praying for the best, though. 
post edited by thomasabarnes - January 24, 08 1:06 AM
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RE: Can someone from Cakewalk possibly clarify this Eupohonix support issue?
January 24, 08 2:48 AM
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If you watch the video from NAMM on sonicstate.com, he lists the apps and says "Logic, Pro Tools, etc....and Sonar on the PC side."
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RE: Can someone from Cakewalk possibly clarify this Eupohonix support issue?
January 24, 08 3:45 AM
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jinga8:
Thanks for that video link. I was on the Euphonix website a few days ago trying to watch the videos they have there, but I couldn't get my browser to play them. I also thought I came across a small mention that MC Control and MC Mix was windows compatible, but when I went back to look for where that was memtioned, I couldn't find it!
So, the guy in the video says MC Control will be availble in stores in March 2008. I already saw MC Control and MC Mix on Sweetwater, but the products' description there says "Mac only." I wonder if there is a Mac version and a seperate Windows version, or if the same unit works on Mac and PC. That's good news, but still I wish there were more detail concerning the use of these control surface units in SONAR/Windows. I would think it's as simple as connecting the unit to the network adapter and installing the Euphonix software, but I don't really know.
Thanks for the post, jinga8.
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NoTalentA$$Clown
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RE: Can someone from Cakewalk possibly clarify this Eupohonix support issue?
January 24, 08 9:55 AM
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I watched that NAMM video on Sonicstate, as I stated above, and I heard him say that Sonar was supported. It just completely contradicts what they say on their website. It's sounding like there's a good chance that Sonar is supported, I just want someone to confirm that 100%.
Dan
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RE: Can someone from Cakewalk possibly clarify this Eupohonix support issue?
January 24, 08 10:32 AM
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New product and new support from Cakewalk. I'm not surprised there is confusion in web land, where today's info is already out of date.
The 7.02 update (look it up) sez that SONAR now works with Euponix products. Hopefully someone from Cake will jump in here to give the low down, but I think they are very busy changing their new shirts. I imagine there will be some kind of announcement from both sides once the Euphonix products actually start shipping.
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http://www.bnoir-film.com/ there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
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Andy C
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RE: Can someone from Cakewalk possibly clarify this Eupohonix support issue?
January 24, 08 10:48 AM
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The 7.02 update (look it up) sez that SONAR now works with Euponix products No No, the issue here is the MC control and MC Mix, not the full range of EuPonix equipment. The problem is that these two apps are part of the Artist range. Sonar does (I believe) work with the professional range of Euphonix equipment. As I understand it these two products (MC control and MC Mix) only work now with the Mac at the moment. However PC support is promised. Perhaps thats what the demonstrator meant. Once an update comes out, Sonar will be supported, and of course, Sonar is ready for this now. If you look at the on line manuals (getting started) it says: "1. Insert the installation CD into your Macintosh and follow the instructions to install the
software. If prompted to download the most current version of EuControl, follow the onscreen
instructions. EuControl will launch automatically and is running when this icon appears in your
menu bar.
2. Shut down your Macintosh." There is NO mention of how to do this on a PC. So I guess we need to wait a short while. Andy
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RE: Can someone from Cakewalk possibly clarify this Eupohonix support issue?
January 24, 08 12:51 AM
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Andy,
right. That is where the confusion is. I see the MC mix/control units as a big hit (touch screen and physical controller all in one package!). But I wouldn't buy one unless Cake or euphonix (or both) say it will work. Someone needs to sort it out, but neither unit is shipping today and I'm sure Euphonix feels Mac users will snap up the opening production run.
thanks for the info, the the pic is still clouded.
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RE: Can someone from Cakewalk possibly clarify this Eupohonix support issue?
January 24, 08 12:54 AM
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Our EuconController surface plug-in does indeed work with any surface that uses EuCon. The new surfaces by Euphonix announced at the Namm show are designed such that some of their processing power is moved off the surface and into the host. That host component is currently only available on the Macintosh platform with windows support coming some time later. So currently, you can use our plug-in for any EuCon enabled Euphonix surface except for these latest ones. Once they port their host component to windows, it will work with the newer ones too without any modifications to our plug-in.
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Andy C
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RE: Can someone from Cakewalk possibly clarify this Eupohonix support issue?
January 24, 08 2:15 PM
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So currently, you can use our plug-in for any EuCon enabled Euphonix surface except for these latest ones. Once they port their host component to windows, it will work with the newer ones too without any modifications to our plug-in. So the bottom line is, if you by a Euphonix MC Control or MC Mix today, it won't work with Sonar. However in a month or two (or less) it will ? (However it will work in HUI mode today ?) Andy
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RE: Can someone from Cakewalk possibly clarify this Eupohonix support issue?
January 24, 08 4:37 PM
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ORIGINAL: Bob Damiano [Cakewalk]
Our EuconController surface plug-in does indeed work with any surface that uses EuCon. The new surfaces by Euphonix announced at the Namm show are designed such that some of their processing power is moved off the surface and into the host. That host component is currently only available on the Macintosh platform with windows support coming some time later. So currently, you can use our plug-in for any EuCon enabled Euphonix surface except for these latest ones. Once they port their host component to windows, it will work with the newer ones too without any modifications to our plug-in.
Hey Bob, Thanks for the clarification. I appreciate you chiming in. Dan
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RE: Can someone from Cakewalk possibly clarify this Eupohonix support issue?
January 24, 08 4:50 PM
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Yup that sums it up nicely.
Sonar works with all Eucon stuff apart from the new ones, which it is ready to work with. Eucon just need to pull there fingers out and deliver the PC version.
Its not unusual for companies to launch a product MAC only, as there is a perception that the majority of people making music with a computer are MAC users. The focusrite Liquid Mix was intially only released for MAC.
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RE: Can someone from Cakewalk possibly clarify this Eupohonix support issue?
January 24, 08 6:49 PM
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RE: Can someone from Cakewalk possibly clarify this Eupohonix support issue?
January 24, 08 10:59 PM
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Great to step in and clear up exactly where we are with euphonix, Bob. That ought to settle down the natives until the mix-stuff starts shipping and then we will all be hounding you for "when, when ...
Now, about the roland thing ...
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RE: Can someone from Cakewalk possibly clarify this Eupohonix support issue?
January 24, 08 11:26 PM
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January 24, 08 11:36 PM
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ORIGINAL: stratcat33511
That's all well and good
Great, even. NOW .....
Can someone explain Brandons haircut ?
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=5990
Well, it appears that not everyone who saw the clip agrees with you... Martinuz Said...
Coolest thing about this demo was dudes hairdo.
22-Jan-08 02:37 PM  Richard
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RE: Can someone from Cakewalk possibly clarify this Eupohonix support issue?
January 24, 08 11:44 PM
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"It's not a song till it touches your heart. It's not a song till it tears you apart!" Lyrics of Amy Grant. SONAR Platinum X64 (jBridge), Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit, Core i7 990X Extreme Edition Processor 3.46 GHz 6 Cores, Gigabyte EX58-UD5, Crucial Ballistix 24GB 1333MHz DDR3 @1333 MHz, TASCAM UH-7000, Behringer X-Touch, EVGA GTX 980TI Superclocked 6GB, 1TB Samsung EVO 850 SSD, 150GB, 320GB, 1TB 7200rpm HDDs
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RE: Can someone from Cakewalk possibly clarify this Eupohonix support issue?
January 24, 08 11:48 PM
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ORIGINAL: stratcat33511
That's all well and good
Great, even. NOW .....
Can someone explain Brandons haircut ?
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=5990
Well, it appears that not everyone who saw the clip agrees with you...
Martinuz Said...
Coolest thing about this demo was dudes hairdo.
22-Jan-08 02:37 PM
Richard
I didn't say whether I liked it or not, or whether it was cool or dorky !
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RE: Can someone from Cakewalk possibly clarify this Eupohonix support issue?
January 24, 08 11:51 PM
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Can someone explain Brandons haircut ?
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=5990
Hey man, Brandon is a ladies man, I think. That's the new George Michael look thing or sort of, or something that's new, man! Hey get with the program.
That may be true, and I think Brandon's married, no ? Not knocking Brandon or his hairdo. I Do need to get back with the program! ( and I can probably do well with a dye-job myself ! ) Off I go then .....
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RE: Can someone from Cakewalk possibly clarify this Eupohonix support issue?
January 25, 08 7:09 AM
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then we will all be hounding you for "when, when ... You'll need to hound Euphonix for "when?" not us. Ah it's so nice to not be the critical path for a change.
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RE: Can someone from Cakewalk possibly clarify this Eupohonix support issue?
January 25, 08 8:40 AM
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...maybe I never realized the joy till the joy was gone...
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RE: Can someone from Cakewalk possibly clarify this Eupohonix support issue?
January 25, 08 5:24 PM
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ORIGINAL: Bob Damiano [Cakewalk]
then we will all be hounding you for "when, when ...
You'll need to hound Euphonix for "when?" not us. Ah it's so nice to not be the critical path for a change.
Hi Bob Appreciate you coming by and confirming Cakewalk support for the new MC Control. Could you tell us off hand what features in Sonar the MC Control will be able to control? thx Jason
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RE: Can someone from Cakewalk possibly clarify this Eupohonix support issue?
January 25, 08 10:07 PM
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The controllers are MCU and HUI compatible as well. Can they work NOW with the Mackie emulations? I wonder if hey have mido ports as well...
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January 26, 08 10:14 PM
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Judging by Bob's answer, it's the "host component" of the controller that's the crux of the matter for PC use. If the HC is needed to run the controller with the computer at a low level, then HUI or no, PC's will have to wait for EuPhonix to finish and release that software. OTOH, if it's a EuCon-only thing, then it may still work. Bob would have to clarify that O/C.
Tell you what, this thing gets major-sweetness scores in every design dimension: form, fit, and function.
I was just saying in another thread that it's just a matter of time before we see a four-fader control package (lots with eight, but they take up room; a couple with one, but one's not enough to do balancing; four... just perfect). I tell ya, if I had one of these with EuCon working, I'd upgrade to S7 for that reason alone!! Even if it was still in the mail!!
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RE: Can someone from Cakewalk possibly clarify this Eupohonix support issue?
January 27, 08 12:13 AM
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Obviously Euphonix is pushing its Eucon protocol, but if they say they support the Mackie protocols, the least they should had implemented was to mount the controllers as generic usb midi ports with onboard processing of the MCU and HUI protocols, bypassing the Eucon supporting PC architechture altogether. But then, if users are happy they wouldn't swith to Eucon I guess. Still, they are missing a lot of sales by not doing that. I am VERY interested in this product, the ergonomics are great. ORIGINAL: losguy
Judging by Bob's answer, it's the "host component" of the controller that's the crux of the matter for PC use. If the HC is needed to run the controller with the computer at a low level, then HUI or no, PC's will have to wait for EuPhonix to finish and release that software. OTOH, if it's a EuCon-only thing, then it may still work. Bob would have to clarify that O/C.
Tell you what, this thing gets major-sweetness scores in every design dimension: form, fit, and function.
I was just saying in another thread that it's just a matter of time before we see a four-fader control package (lots with eight, but they take up room; a couple with one, but one's not enough to do balancing; four... just perfect). I tell ya, if I had one of these with EuCon working, I'd upgrade to S7 for that reason alone!! Even if it was still in the mail!!
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