chuckebaby
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help...cant set track level
i cant believe im this slow...im trying to record a simple guitar track and when i set my level with the tracks slider its all good...untill i arm the track..then it shoots up in the red..and no matter what i do i can not adjust the level when the track is armed..once i unarm it..its fine and i can adjust it at will with no problem..im sure im being way to stupid..can you help me out?
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 14:49:16
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Your record levels are controlled via your interface, not the track fader in Sonar. The track fader will only control the volume at playback, not level at record. Your interface controls that either with hardware or software.
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 14:50:45
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thats the funny thing ffb..my interface wont control it niether..is it something i need to set up in my interface??
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 14:56:01
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Try trimming back the input level. It's at the top of the strip in Console View (as a knob) and in Track View it is the GAIN slider. Back it off and you should be fine. EDIT: My advice is bad. I'm leaving it in so people reading the thread know where I was trying to go.
post edited by codamedia - 2011/02/20 15:40:13
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 14:57:46
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thanks coda...but i try,d that too..even my interface volumes will turn the audible sound down...but the level is still clipping with no control to set it
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 15:03:14
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The input level is always set at your interface. The level must be sorted before it hits your AD converters. Once it's past those it's too late. What interface are you using? There must be a way of controlling levels on it, either some sort of physical gain control or a software control.
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 15:07:58
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Edit: Deleted - bad advice
post edited by codamedia - 2011/02/20 15:39:12
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 15:12:04
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 15:13:26
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yes it has knobs to udjust volume..but there not adjusting anything..(sorry for not explaining that better)they have no effect at all.ive tried 1 and two..no difference
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 15:15:17
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i get a great sound out of it when i can adjust the levels...but once i arm the track...i cant adjust the level to the track anymore..no the presonus volume does bring the level up or down fine with no problems...although ive noticed i cant totaly turn the volume down all the way on the presonus..there is still a little volume coming out..
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 15:16:11
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What is the gain knob setting in Sonar reading right now?
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 15:20:06
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codamedia FBB: I'm 99.9% sure the input gains will adjust for this as well. However - if the Audio Interface is already into the red and breaking up, then it's too late to adjust it with input gains. CHUCKEBABY: Are you saying you set the gain level to -18 and it is still hitting the red? What are you feeding the track - a Jet Airplane at 10 Feet Back to being serious. 1: Do you have any plug-ins on the track (ie: Guitar Rig). If so - check their output levels. 2: If there are no plug-ins, have you tried restarting Sonar? Maybe this is just a temp glitch, and if so - that should solve it. i did have guitar rig..i deleted it to figure this out.just a clean guitar going into my presonus audiobow on chanel 1 of the audiobox..the usb goes into my computer..i can set a level fine..untill l arm the track...once i arm the track it spikes up...still sounds pretty good...but i can hear it clipping on playback and i can see it clipping on the meter...doesnt help if i turn down my interface...and it is routed properly..my interface settings only have asio driver settings and latency setting
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 15:20:45
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Try trimming back the input level. It's at the top of the strip in Console View (as a knob) and in Track View it is the GAIN slider. Back it off and you should be fine. Input gain only affects existing audio clips, it does not affect live input level. Nothing in SONAR does. Chuck, what interface are you using? If it's an onboard soundcard, it sounds like the input might be set in "What U Hear" or "Stereo Mix", which routes the output back to the input, creating a feedback loop. Make sure the input is Mic or Line in. And, no offense intended, really, but I'm honestly curious how you get to 466 posts on the forum without having basic record level setting figured out...? EDIT: Whoa. Missed a bunch of posts, somehow. Sorry about that. I'll have to catch up.
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 15:21:17
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a gain knob???..you mean my fader??it doesnt matter where i set it..the signaL IS STill clipping
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 15:23:47
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Edit: Deleted - bad advice
post edited by codamedia - 2011/02/20 15:38:46
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 15:24:40
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brundlefly Try trimming back the input level. It's at the top of the strip in Console View (as a knob) and in Track View it is the GAIN slider. Back it off and you should be fine.
Input gain only affects existing audio clips, it does not affect live input level. Nothing in SONAR does. Chuck, what interface are you using? If it's an onboard soundcard, it sounds like the input might be set in "What U Hear" or "Stereo Mix", which routes the output back to the input, creating a feedback loop. Make sure the input is Mic or Line in. And, no offense intended, really, but I'm honestly curious how you get to 466 posts on the forum without having basic record level setting figured out...? you know what bundle fly...dont even bother reply to this post anymore,i dont need help from someone like you...you think im an idiot?..this has never happen to me before.and quite frankly im a little upset so your comments dont help..if thats what your trying to do??..think about what you just said...and think about how you would like it if someone said that to you if you were in a bind like me right now?
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 15:28:05
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thanks coda...niether the gain nor the volume in the track view or console work to any avail...funny it will actually bring the level up...and very load...but it will not bring it down below -6
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 15:34:46
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Is the audiobox the one with the mix knob on the front? If so that gives you control over how much of the signal you hear before the converters aka direct monitoring. I think you can control the "what you hear" level with that. The level to the track you are recording on is controlled by input gain knob on the front. You must set levels prior to the audio entering Sonar. Level & volume are different things you can have a high volume and low level as well as high level but low volume. Ideally your level should peak around -6db ish or even lower, that is controlled by your devices preamp gain. The volume is controlled via at the output stage of your device but can also be controlled via SOnar's faders at playback. Codamedia you are correct that the input trim can control input but only on busses, track input is controlled externally to Sonar.
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 15:35:59
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Chuckebaby: My apologies to both you and FBB. I always control my input from my Audio Interface, and I assumed (always a wrong thing to do - LOL) the gain in Sonar worked the same way as a traditional trim on a console. A quick test on my end verified what you, FBB and Brundlefly are saying. Sorry about that.
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 15:40:22
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fbb you might be on to something..i did try backing out and coming back in..to sanor...but i did try to adjust the levels out side then start back up..let me give it a shot..ps...mix did nothing,,and your right there is one on here...so far the line knobs for volume on my interface will not go down..but..they will turn up and will get loud.
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 15:48:30
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coda..its okay...nope no dice...didnt help at all..i can only think its my audio interface...but its brand new..the drivers are fine and up to date..and even though its clipping..it still sounds rel good with no latency or poor track performance..the one thing i noticed is on my interface is on the asio panel next to outputs it says-OUTPUTS-and that is set to one and two..but i imagine it should be
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 15:54:57
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i dont know what to say..my input on my interface is all the way down and i still have a signal coming out...why?its got to be my interface.
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 16:12:02
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chuckebaby, what are you trying to record? I've just had a look at the manual for the audiobox and it warns you not to try and record a line level input signal. So a guitar straight in will be okay, a mic'ed up amp will be okay but not a line out from an amp. Is the clip light on the front of the audiobox lighting? If it's clipping with the preamp gain all the way down, the input signal is too hot and you'll need to lower that. @codamedia, no need to apologise, we all make mistakes.
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 16:32:38
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fbb...hey i cant thank you enough..but this problem is over...nothing i can do...read this http://forums.presonus.com/posts/list/19873.page i guess this has been an on going problem that some companys know about but just dont care..im so upset right now..i just bought this thing last week..and find it hard to believe you cant adjust the volume from clipping..im just plugging a guitar into it straight..i need to buy a pad or a d.i.box..my guitar does not have active pick ups...fbb thank you very much for trying to help me on this..i owe you one.
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 16:47:14
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Bit of a downer. If you want a cheap and cheerful DI box have a look at this I have a couple and they do the job well enough. Does the clip light on the front of the unit light even with low preamp gain settings?
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 16:55:23
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yes it does...but when i turn it down all the way it doesnt light up..and its not clipping really bad..but enough when i start to chug with hard strokes with a pick...i play bass with a pick too so i can only imagine..ive had to bring a few interfaces back beacause of them not working good enough with windows 7..the mackie blackjack,,alesis i02 had no drivers theywanted me to use asio4all,,and now this prosonis..i do like the sound though..just clips a little..any ideasd as to maybe a remedy to use sonar to bring down the volume a wee bit...its only clipping very little..but we know where that will lead us during mixdown
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/20 17:18:23
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Unfortunately not. It's not possible to control the level post interface (ie from within Sonar). If a guitar plugged directly in with the preamp gain all the way down is clipping then some sort of DI box is the only answer. I'm not even 100% sure that would work although in theory it should. Ideally the clip light should only light very briefly when you are strumming as hard as possible. If you can achieve that you've got it cracked. If under those conditions the guitar you are hearing isn't loud enough simply turn the output of the interface up.
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/21 06:57:27
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brundlefly Try trimming back the input level. It's at the top of the strip in Console View (as a knob) and in Track View it is the GAIN slider. Back it off and you should be fine. Input gain only affects existing audio clips, it does not affect live input level. Nothing in SONAR does. Chuck, what interface are you using? If it's an onboard soundcard, it sounds like the input might be set in "What U Hear" or "Stereo Mix", which routes the output back to the input, creating a feedback loop. Make sure the input is Mic or Line in. And, no offense intended, really, but I'm honestly curious how you get to 466 posts on the forum without having basic record level setting figured out...? EDIT: Whoa. Missed a bunch of posts, somehow. Sorry about that. I'll have to catch up. come to find out its a flaw in the design of the interface and there is nothing can be done.although its posts like this i find to be very rude, unconsidering and just plain ignorant.ive helped alot of people in this forum and not once have i replied to someone with a comment like this..and as you admit you didnt even read the all the posts you just read a little piece and chimed in.you should be ashamed of yourself as i would never treat another forum member like this is thier time of trial and error. i only wish earlier i had just done a search."presonus audiobax-cliiping"..it came up with many responces
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/21 07:30:33
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Chucklebaby, are you monitoring through the Presonus? I'm wondering if once you arm the track, you're getting software monitoring kicking in which is duplicating the signal and interfering with your levels. Also, have you got your track input set to the input you're using on your interface, and not something like "What you Hear", "Mix" or something that coulc be causing a feedback loop?
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Re:setting track level
2011/02/21 07:40:35
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chuckebaby i only wish earlier i had just done a search."presonus audiobax-cliiping"..it came up with many responces What do they suggest you should do about the problem? is it a problem with the audio interface software? p.s some people tend to be really cruel sometimes. just ignore them. you are doing a good job in this forum!
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