Reverb trails at beginning of Wav file

Has anyone else noticed this before?
When I'm previewing a song and I am about to export to a wav file, and I stop the song before it is over and then export, I get a short sound of the reverb trailing off at the beginning of the wav file.

Also, if I stop a song before it's over and then press play again from the beginning I hear it too.

The way I get around it is to just hit play from the beginning and hit stop before the music starts, then I export and all is normal.

Just curious if anyone else has noticed this.

Has anyone else noticed this before?

Sure, all the time.

Try to disable the "Play effect tails after stopping" in the audio advanced options.

ORIGINAL: wkeever

Sure, all the time.

Try to disable the "Play effect tails after stopping" in the audio advanced options.

If I do that, will I still get the trails at the end of my exported wav files?

yes. that setting just makes effects tails play even after you stop playback. it has nothing to do with exporting audio.

Try to disable the "Play effect tails after stopping" in the audio advanced options.

Good idea, and I hadn't tried it yet. (Seems so obvious, too!)

Like you, wkeever, I've experienced this, and it's occasionally confounding to produce mixes that are ruined by the extraneous sounds at the beginning.

M

I have it disabled on version 4 and I think I'm still getting a little bit on some songs. Didn't happen in version 2.2, are you on 4 ?

Yes, 4.0.2

Frank

I'm still getting a little bit on some songs

and Patrick -

yes. that setting just makes effects tails play even after you stop playback. it has nothing to do with exporting audio.

it made me think .. maybe there are two problems here..and maybe just one and it's not about that "play effects tails.." parameter..hmm

the other thing that i noticed is related to what Pat asked.. the exported wav files and how to get those long reverb tails not to cut off - in some way it i all related and that bleeding that we get must have something to do with some "read ahead" for optimization of latency and maybe it all happens when latency compensation us being used ..emmm...RON !? please help us :)


so Frank/ohhey .. and wkeever .. you should try also stopping the project at a "blank" point (silence) and then export.. insert some empty measures at the end of the song... play those for a while and stop after some seconds, now export or bounce... do you STILL have those time based tails/noises/bleeds/sonar bugs(just had to say that again)/artifacts in your other part of the song ?

Not exactly sure what you're asking.

sorry, i hope you read the whole thing - what i ask is: when you do the steps above do you still get the "Reverb trails at beginning of Wav file " ?

if I stop the song at a point where there is silence, and start again I don't get this problem

exactly. that's why i said - when you hear (while playing from a point in realtime) such tails maybe they do find their way into the mix .. into the exported new file.

so maybe (as a workaround...) we should stop at a silent measure and then right after that use the Export option..
need to do some checking

i see now... ok.
permanently? i think there's no way .. there's a bug there.

Try to disable the "Play effect tails after stopping" in the audio advanced options.

Good idea, and I hadn't tried it yet. (Seems so obvious, too!)

Update:

I'm mixing something today, and I have unchecked the "Play effect tails after stopping," but I'm still having issues with .wav exports having reverb and FX tails at the beginning of the file. It can be rather maddening. Anyone else have an idea what causes this (if you're even experiencing it)?

M

It seems it's broken in 4. Move all of the audio down far enough to clear the effect tails until they fix it.

The way I get around it is to just hit play from the beginning and hit stop before the music starts, then I export and all is normal.

Just curious if anyone else has noticed this.

Guys, I was experiencing the phenomenon again yesterday while mixing. . .

I found that checking/unchecking the "play reverb tails ..." box does nothing for the problem (as noted elsewhere, above). I also found that letting the track play to its conclusion, before rewinding to the beginning and exporting, did not correct the problem. And, I still had it, even if I hit play and then stop, prior to encountering the first "note" of the track (i.e., still in silence).

What finally worked was to alter the mix as needed; save, close, and re-open the project; *then* do the audio export. That worked every time. PITA, but it worked.

I'm tending to agree that it seems likely that it's a PDC issue -- and I'm using the UAD plugs *and* SIR, which both require quite of bit of delay compensation. I also note that I never had this issue prior to getting the UAD (but still using SIR). I'm wondering if the phenomenon is also related to UAD issues (see http://www.cakewalk.com/forum/fb.asp?m=392975 )? Are any of you guys experiencing the problem *not* using a UAD card with its plugs?

M

On edit: Re-setting the audio engine and saving (in either order) also did not work. --M

You are not alone. I just upgraded to Sonar 4 from 3 and also installed two UAD-1s in my Intel MB/CPU system. I've been doing some mixes with lots of Waves plugs, SIR, and the UAD stuff. I didn't have any issues until I put a Sonitus delay on one of the busses. I now have delay tails playing at the front end like you. I haven't tried any mixes since adding the delay, but things were cool before I added that 3rd buss effect for the Sonitus delay. I did some mixes before with the UAD Plate 140 and SIR and had no problems. I'll have to check if the odd Sonitus delay tails also print to an exported mix...

My system:
INTEL d865perl MB
INTEL 2.6ghz CPU
1 gig ram
two 7200 Maxtor HDs
Sonar 4.0.2
Waves REN packs 1&2
Two UAD-1s w/3.8 software (all plugs except Precision EQ)
SIR freeware reverb
Soundforge 5f
Delta 1010 w/.46 driver
Direct X plugins installed except SIR in VST

ORIGINAL: wkeever

Are any of you guys experiencing the problem *not* using a UAD card with its plugs?

I have this problem and I'm not using a UAD?

I got the problem too. I'm on 3.1.1 and no UAD.

Dude

Hmm, I *always* have at least one Sonitus delay in use on a bus. Maybe this is a contributing factor.

Doubtful, because I don't even have Sonitus:FX and I have the issue. I am just using Lexicon Verb.

Now I have not had this problem if I understand what is being asked here. However I have noticed that Sonar will sound a blip on start of playback if all the buffers have not been cleared. This should not effect exporting or bouncing.

It does affect exporting; I don't know about bouncing.
The exported WAV file does contain the "sound blip" you referred to.