Gerry
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Sonar 7 Manual
What's the manual like that comes with Sonar 7 is it just talking about the new features as did the Sonar 6 one?
The last full manual I have is Sonar 5 so my question is will I now need to consult all three manuals depending on what I want to look up?
I'm all for saving trees but its a hassle referring to three seperate manuals.
Gerry
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RE: Sonar 7 Manual
2007/09/24 09:05:12
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I too would like a fancy 1000 page manual, that consolidates ALL features from ALL versions... But unfortunately I like to think about the environment..
I just use the maual on the DVD, or the help menu!!
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RE: Sonar 7 Manual
2007/09/24 09:13:26
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It's similar to the S6 manual concept. New features and a Get Started section. It will likely get as much use as all that preceded it in my case. I did get some use out of my thick manuals a while back when I needed a little space under one of my keyboards. I really appreciate how Cakewalk keeps their manual thickness consistent. They make really nice shims. 
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Gerry
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RE: Sonar 7 Manual
2007/09/24 09:17:32
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ORIGINAL: plainfaced
I too would like a fancy 1000 page manual, that consolidates ALL features from ALL versions... But unfortunately I like to think about the environment..
I just use the maual on the DVD, or the help menu!!
I don't want a manual that consolidates all versions but I would like the option of purchasing a manual that covers the entire application. Reading off a CD Rom or the help files on the PC is not quite the same as sticking your feet up and reading a hard copy manual. If you crossgraded to another DAW they would supply you with a complete manual so why not have the option of buying one on an upgrade? Gerry PS Oh and I will put my old manuals in the paper re-cycle bin so there really isn't an environmental issue. The real issue is being given another choice or option when upgrading.
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RE: Sonar 7 Manual
2007/09/24 09:18:46
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I'm an old-fashioned (and getting older) dude who likes a printed manual. However, my thick Sonar 5 manual did me no good this weekend when I couldn't to print notation from Sonar. On-line help didn't help. It took a search of this forum to teach me that you can't print from a floating Staff view (???? That HAS to be a bug.). Thanks to Cakewalk for sponsoring this forum and to all you who pass along knowledge.
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plainfaced
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RE: Sonar 7 Manual
2007/09/24 09:20:21
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ORIGINAL: Gerry
If you crossgraded to another DAW they would supply you with a complete manual so why not have the option of buying one on an upgrade?
Gerry
Would they though? That is the question: Does Sonar ship a full manul to new buyers/cross-graders.
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Gerry
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RE: Sonar 7 Manual
2007/09/24 09:23:39
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ORIGINAL: plainfaced
ORIGINAL: Gerry
If you crossgraded to another DAW they would supply you with a complete manual so why not have the option of buying one on an upgrade?
Gerry
Would they though? That is the question: Does Sonar ship a full manul to new buyers/cross-graders.
Think about it if you crossed over from Cu you know who and you got shipped a small manual that only dealt with the differences between 6 and 7 you would be lost.
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RE: Sonar 7 Manual
2007/09/24 12:29:50
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Cakewalk used to have a full English manual on sale in the on-line store under 'Educational Materials' but I notice it's now gone. It was actually a printed version of all the Help pages, not to be confused with the old manual that is now defunct in paper form. Perhaps they're updating it to Sonar 7 and it'll reappear. Also, you could only see it for sale if you logged into your region as 'US' for some reason, and I didn't buy it because the total cost including shipping to the UK was prohibitive.
As a die-hard manual person, I'm a bit cynical of vendors claiming to be saving the planet, and aligning themselves to user concerns. They're simply making an enormous cut in their costs of production and distribution which they then trouser for themselves rather then reflect in the product price. Cakewalk aren't the only ones to do this, and to be fair they did adhere to a paper manual policy long after others had abandoned theirs.
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Gerry
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RE: Sonar 7 Manual
2007/09/24 13:04:37
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ORIGINAL: Skyline_UK
Cakewalk used to have a full English manual on sale in the on-line store under 'Educational Materials' but I notice it's now gone. It was actually a printed version of all the Help pages, not to be confused with the old manual that is now defunct in paper form. Perhaps they're updating it to Sonar 7 and it'll reappear. Also, you could only see it for sale if you logged into your region as 'US' for some reason, and I didn't buy it because the total cost including shipping to the UK was prohibitive.
As a die-hard manual person, I'm a bit cynical of vendors claiming to be saving the planet, and aligning themselves to user concerns. They're simply making an enormous cut in their costs of production and distribution which they then trouser for themselves rather then reflect in the product price. Cakewalk aren't the only ones to do this, and to be fair they did adhere to a paper manual policy long after others had abandoned theirs.
Be nice as an upgrade order option but considering how the orders are going out at the moment maybe it's not such a good idea LOLO
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RE: Sonar 7 Manual
2007/09/24 13:15:16
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I still like hard copy for easier reading (eyes getting old). After deciding against adding my 2 cents to the full manual whinge, I duplex printed the entire S6PE PDF. (over)Fills two large three ring binders (three would work better). A real lap flattener! After all that and section tabbing, I find I browse the PDF just because it's easier. Go figure.
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RE: Sonar 7 Manual
2007/09/24 17:17:49
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Hard copy manual used to be one of the small selling points for Sonar a couple of versions back. I would very much like to have the option to buy one.
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RE: Sonar 7 Manual
2007/09/25 07:43:02
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I agree!
An option to buy a complete manual is a good idea.
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RE: Sonar 7 Manual
2007/09/25 07:54:14
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I would say that Scotts Sonar 7 power when it comes will be as good if not better than a full Cakewalk manual so I'll buy that one for the feet up in the settee posture.
best Roy
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RE: Sonar 7 Manual
2007/09/25 08:06:20
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Hey there
Speaking as an ex Cubase, user who jumped the fence when Sonar 6 came out last year, I only had the 6 manual and the Help stuff included in the program to go on.
To be honest that was enough, because I had used Cubase for 3 years and certain things are fairly consistent between different DAW's and the rest I worked out through trial and error(sometimes the best way to find stuff out) and this forum.
If anything the lack of manual is more worrying for newcomers to the DAW world where Sonar is there first product and they don't have the benefit of any prior experience.
Having said that I remember the first time with Cubase and the manual was not that much help. I think tutorials are the best really seeing someone actually doing it. For instance watching the audiosnap tutorial not only helped me understand better how the whole markers/warping thing worked in cubase it also convinced me that SOnar did it better and I could actually see it being done, thats why I jumped ship. I then discovered a whole raft of stuff that Sonar does better since using it. I would not go back now even if Wild Horses were involved.
Very excited about 7 (which has not yet arrived) because its got sidechaining, the midi tools, ACT template for my PadKontrol, the step sequencer and the extranal hardware thingy which means my pod will now get dusted off, and Dimension which I nearly bought a month ago, well chuffed i waited :)
All in all I am a very happy bunny.
G
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Gerry
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RE: Sonar 7 Manual
2007/09/25 08:19:32
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I do think the key word is Option and my real point is that having that option is an advantage for those that want to use it. For those who think there is no need or wouldn't want it then don't take up the option. If you have an option you have a choice and I think the more choices you have within reason the better it is.
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RE: Sonar 7 Manual
2007/09/25 08:23:19
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ORIGINAL: royarn
I would say that Scotts Sonar 7 power when it comes will be as good if not better than a full Cakewalk manual so I'll buy that one for the feet up in the settee posture.
best Roy
Must users of SONAR buy the Manual? Shouldn’t that been included???? The Best Regards Freddie
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mabian
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RE: Sonar 7 Manual
2007/09/25 09:32:46
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It's on the DVD; you just don't get the printed copy.
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RE: Sonar 7 Manual
2007/09/25 09:34:54
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ORIGINAL: mabian
It's on the DVD; you just don't get the printed copy.
- Mario
I see thanks! I use the PDF manual, always. The Best Regards Freddie
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RE: Sonar 7 Manual
2007/09/25 09:38:08
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That's why buying Mr. Garrigus' Sonar 6 (7) Power book is so important for me.
It covers nearly all the manual and is written in a very user-friendly style. I bought into Sonar at version 6 and Scott's book was a lifesaver for me.
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RE: Sonar 7 Manual
2007/09/25 10:40:44
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Gerry
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RE: Sonar 7 Manual
2007/09/25 12:03:05
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ORIGINAL: auricle
That's why buying Mr. Garrigus' Sonar 6 (7) Power book is so important for me.
It covers nearly all the manual and is written in a very user-friendly style. I bought into Sonar at version 6 and Scott's book was a lifesaver for me.
How about Cake getting him to write the manual then 
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Gerry
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RE: Sonar 7 Manual
2007/09/25 17:08:59
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RE: Sonar 7 Manual
2008/02/09 19:11:39
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ORIGINAL: Alex Westner [Cakewalk]
Hi guys,
Same as with SONAR 6, we have the built-in help and PDFs that ship with the DVD, and we will make English, German and French printed reference guides available soon for an additional purchase.
Was just cruising the on-line store and noticed it's (they're) here! if anyone is interested.
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RE: Sonar 7 Manual
2008/02/09 19:23:51
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Cool, thanks for the shout! 
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