HELP- FW1884 and FE-8s - RESOLVED thanks Guypicks

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HELP- FW1884 and FE-8s - RESOLVED thanks Guypicks

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The FW-1884 is working great since I went to SOANR 7 and put in the beta driver. But I have installed 2 FE-8s and I cant seem to get them to work. The Firewire light and power light is glowing nicely but I cant seem to find how to get them working. I have been into the FW-1884 control panel and installed the two FE-8s in the FE-8 page. In SONAR I have installed an FW-1884 controller (works fine) and two FE-8 controllers but I am getting nothing at all out of them. ANyone actually with FE-8s working out there, please help. What am I not doing????

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    RE: HELP- FW1884 and FE-8s 2007/11/02 10:24:54 (permalink)
    Hi Mick,
    You probably already know this, so...

    1. Make sure your FEs are selected in your midi devices in Sonar
    2. They will show up with the same names that's in your Tascam control panel under FEs
    3. If they show up in your midi devices as different names then they're not installed right

    If you have to install from scratch I'll try to find the forum link to do so. It works perfect.

    I have my FW and FEs working just fine with no issues so far.
    I'm going to be in a big recording session next week and will put this Tascam FW-1884 to the test.


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    RE: HELP- FW1884 and FE-8s 2007/11/02 10:50:34 (permalink)
    Mick,
    I found this in my archives.
    Hope it's helpful for other users.
    This was posted buy another forum member here.

    Tascam FW-1884 and FEs
    Setup Procedure
    For Sonar

    I had similar probs with my FE-8 on install. A lot of problems stem from the order in which you install the various drivers. Below is a great procedure for a complete uninstall/reinstall of the 1884 with Sonar. I can take no credit for this. It came from a helpful chap on the sadly deceased tascam forums. It was reposted here a few months back but I can't seem to find it. I've added in some text for the additional FE-8 steps at the bottom. It worked a treat for me when I had problems getting the 1884 and FE-8 to work together.

    To be honest I don't recall if it worked better installing the 1884 then the FE-8 or doing them all at once. But I'm figuring the former is a little safer approach.

    Anyhoo, it's detailed but very useful at getting a clean install and solving lots of driver problems.

    Let us know how you get on.


    1. First turn off your FW. Reboot.

    2. Then do a complete uninstall of the FW per the Tascam instructions here:

    http://www.tascam.com/details;9,14,46,19.html

    3. Reboot. Then install the Sonar control surface driver here:

    http://www.tascam.com/details;9,14,46,19.html

    4. Reboot. Install the FW driver you want to use.

    5. Turn off your computer.

    6. Turn on the FW.

    7. Turn on your computer and let Windows find the drivers and install the FW. Reboot.

    8. Then open Sonar and run the Wave Profiler from Options/Audio/General

    9. Enable FW1884 Control and FW1884 Port 1 for inputs and outputs under Options/ Midi Devices.

    10. Select the FW control surface and assign FW1884 Control as input and output under Options/ Control Surfaces.

    11. Close Sonar.

    12. Reopen Sonar and make sure everything stayed the same.

    13. Power off the computer. Plug in and switch on the FE-8's. Tascam recommend that you power up the devices 'furthest away' from the pc first. i.e. the FE-8 at the end of the chain, then the one next to the 1884, then the 1884. Very important to do it in this order every time BEFORE you power on the PC.

    14. Once you’ve powered up and let windows plug-and-play the FE-8s

    15. Reboot.

    15. Go to the 1884 Control Panel and the ‘FE-8’ tab. Both FE-8s should be showing up. Rewrite the name assignment to make sense to your set-up: “FE-8 Left/Right” or “1, 2…” depending on how you order them. Apply the changes and close the control panel.

    16. Launch Sonar. Go to Options – Midi Devices. See that the FE-8 name assignment you just made is showing up. Make sure each FE-8 is selected (in addition to 1884 Control and 1884 Port1) as Inputs and Outputs.

    16. Go to Options – Control Surfaces. Make sure the 1884 and the FE-8’s are shown as Input and Outputs. i.e. “FE-8 Left” has “FE-8 Left” selected as it’s input and output. You might need to add the FE-8s yourself. Click the ‘New Control Surface’ button and add them from there.

    17. Close Sonar.

    18. Reopen Sonar and make sure everything stayed the same.


    More info:

    You will need to install the Fw1884 and FE8 Sonar control surface files (.dll files) into the Cakewalk/Shared Surfaces folder. I believe they are on the installer CD, or you can download the latest version from the TASCAM website.

    The the FW1884 and FE8's should show up as controller options in the Control Surface setup panel. They will be assigned tracks in the order that you place them in the controller list.


    Are the FE-8s showing up in the FW1884 control panel applet? I've found with the FW1884 that the way I've solved most of my problems with it was to read the manuals very carefully and make sure you are running the most recent software, and firmware, including the Sonar control surface software.


    Hopes this helps,


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    RE: HELP- FW1884 and FE-8s -RESOLVEd Thanks GUYPICKS 2007/11/02 21:55:46 (permalink)
    Man do I owe you a beer. Excellent, excellent stuff. Works a treat now. The only problem I have is that tracks 1 to 8 are on the FW-1884 and tracks 9-16 are on the left FE-8 and tracks 17 to 24 are on the right FE-8. BUT, I ahve decided to move the FW to the left hand side anywat. The only reason I have the left and right FE config is because thats the photo on the TASCAM site. So hell lets break with tradition and put the two FE-8s ont he right hand side of the FW-1884. This still gives me the transport controls near the moddle so I am istill int he speaker sweet spot.

    Again, thansk so much fo rht ehelp, I owe you a cold beer on a hot day next to a Barbi with some prawns and steak cooking real slow...!!!

    One last thing. My PC is way on the left hand side of the desk and I had "daisychained" the firewire cables from left to right, i.e. going into the FE-8 first. This does not work for the setup so I moved it to go ditrectly into the FW-1884, now the setup procedure works.



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    RE: HELP- FW1884 and FE-8s -RESOLVEd Thanks GUYPICKS 2007/11/13 09:37:25 (permalink)
    Mick,

    I have an FW-1884 and 2 FE-8's also so thought I would pass along a couple of tips. The order that the FE-8s show up is the order they are placed in the Windows control panel FW-1884 setup. Just go to the FE-8 tab and reorder as necessary. Not sure if this is still an issue for you, but if so this is the fix. I have the FW-1884 in the middle of the FE-8's also. No particular functional reason, just looks better that way and it's easier to work controls when you are sitting in the middle of the desk.

    The way the tracks show up depends on the order you add them in Sonar controller setup. If you add the FW-1884 first, it will be the first device and so on. The way I did was to add the left FE-8 first, then the FW-1884, then the right FE-8. Then the 24 tracks are contiguous from left to right. Just a suggestion in case you like to leave the FW-1884 in the middle.

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    RE: HELP- FW1884 and FE-8s -RESOLVEd Thanks GUYPICKS 2007/11/13 10:03:34 (permalink)
    Man - I wanted to wait on these but you guys have me drooling over getting some FE8's

    If you don't mind me asking - What were the prices you guys paid for them? - I never see them come up on ebay or anything so it looks like new will be the only way.

    I may have to get 1 or 2 of these before I get a UAD card!!

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    RE: HELP- FW1884 and FE-8s -RESOLVEd Thanks GUYPICKS 2007/11/13 10:49:21 (permalink)
    Maybe I'm just lucky, but I've never had any issues in SONAR with mt FE-8s. I've had FE-8s since S5PE. Even after a 3, full rebuilds. It can be a little confusing, especially getting the order correct! But when you do, MAN is it sweet. I now have 32, 100mm, motorized, touch sensitive faders (+ all of the other functionality)...what could be better? I love this thing more and more every day! Unfortunately, I am having what appears to be a mechanical issue with 1 of the FE-8s. It is out for repair right now......we'll see if it comes back in proper working order!

    I just bought a fitted, custom built desk for the 1884 + FE-8s. I love it! Check it out:

    (notice the 3rd one is missing on the far right of the board...



    PS - I DO actually have a gripe with the 1884 and SONAR...actually, I'll start a new thread on it.

    Congrats on setup, you won't be disappointed!

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    RE: HELP- FW1884 and FE-8s -RESOLVEd Thanks GUYPICKS 2007/11/13 10:53:31 (permalink)
    Drool.. Very nice looking setup.
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    RE: HELP- FW1884 and FE-8s -RESOLVEd Thanks GUYPICKS 2007/11/13 11:07:11 (permalink)
    Just installed the FW-1884, love it so far! Looking at adding at least one FE-8. Can I control the Busses with the FE-8, or am I restricted to one buss at a time with the master fader on the Fw1884?

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    RE: HELP- FW1884 and FE-8s -RESOLVEd Thanks GUYPICKS 2007/11/13 11:18:13 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: DeeringAmps

    Just installed the FW-1884, love it so far! Looking at adding at least one FE-8. Can I control the Busses with the FE-8, or am I restricted to one buss at a time with the master fader on the Fw1884?


    Actually, there is an undocumented key combo on the 1884 that switches the primary faders over to control the busses, instead of the tracks. I use it all of the time because I am a big-time proponent of mixing with stems. IIRC, the combo is:

    SET + BANK-LEFT

    I *think* that is it! To be honest, I am so used to just 'doing' it, I never pay attention to the actual keys. I'll confirm later, if necessary. At any rate, I find this VERY handy and often switch back and forth towards the end of any given mix.

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    RE: HELP- FW1884 and FE-8s -RESOLVEd Thanks GUYPICKS 2007/11/13 11:45:40 (permalink)
    manthe,
    I don't want to hammer you with questions, but just want to clarify. The "SET + BANK-LEFT" would have the FW-1884 controling the Busses and leave the FE-8's controling the tracks, I read you right there? Now a "BANK" command on the 1884 would then do what? 1. Move through the Busses with the 1884 or 2. Move through the tracks with the FE-8's?
    Thanks!

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    RE: HELP- FW1884 and FE-8s -RESOLVEd Thanks GUYPICKS 2007/11/13 11:51:22 (permalink)
    manthe,
    Just tried the "set + Bank-Left"
    YOU ROCK BABY!!!!!
    Now if I can do my tracks with the FE-8 while doing Busses with the 1884 I would order 2 and be home again!

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    RE: HELP- FW1884 and FE-8s -RESOLVEd Thanks GUYPICKS 2007/11/13 21:59:42 (permalink)
    DK

    I just bought my 2nd FE-8 from Musicians Advocate (www.musiciansadvocate.com) for about $850 including shipping. They also sell on ebay, but I prefer to deal direct. You can ask them to quote a lower price than what they show. They are very good to work with and getting stuff shipping out. This was my first experience with them and would have no problems using them again.

    Since Tascam stopped manufacturing the FE-8 about a year ago the only vendors that have them are places like Musicians Advocate. Sweetwater and all the other major dealers stopped selling them when they ran out about last January. But they are still out there. You might find a used one periodically on ebay, along with the usual risks.

    I suspect the stock of new FE-8's will run out eventually so if you want one or two I wouldn't wait too long. Just a suggestion.

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    RE: HELP- FW1884 and FE-8s -RESOLVEd Thanks GUYPICKS 2007/11/14 13:06:12 (permalink)
    Mick,
    Glad you're up and running.
    Best to ya.

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    RE: HELP- FW1884 and FE-8s -RESOLVEd Thanks GUYPICKS 2007/11/15 17:07:44 (permalink)
    Anyone have a line on an FE-8? Ordered one from musicians advocate yesterday and was informed today that they are out of stock!
    Thanks

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    RE: HELP- FW1884 and FE-8s -RESOLVEd Thanks GUYPICKS 2007/11/19 13:17:35 (permalink)
    Tom,

    Sheesh. I must have gotten the last FE-8 Musicians Advocate had. I see they no longer even have them listed on Ebay, or anyone else for that matter. It's funny now that Tascam discontinued the FE-8 a year ago because of lack of sales they are now in demand. Go figure.

    I did a quick Google search on "Tascam FE-8" and a few reseller links came up that appear to still have them, but I did not confirm this as fact. MusiciansBuy is one, but there are others you may want to contact to verify stock.

    My guess is that any reseller that happens to have FE-8 stock will not have it for long. The only hope is that Tascam releases another FE-8 type option - one that adds inputs would be nice - because there is a definite market for expansion of the FW-1884. I think what killed the FE-8 was the cost to just add faders, and other controllers, without adding more inputs was perceived to be too expensive and so they didn't sell enough of them. So they did the ususal Tascam thing and discontinued it.

    Good luck.

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    RE: HELP- FW1884 and FE-8s -RESOLVEd Thanks GUYPICKS 2007/11/19 13:21:07 (permalink)
    SkyKing,
    I checked with MusicansBuy; no dice! I'll have to dig a little deeper.
    Thanks for the update.

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    RE: HELP- FW1884 and FE-8s -RESOLVEd Thanks GUYPICKS 2007/11/19 13:22:47 (permalink)
    Tom,

    Yeah they seem to all be running out. If I come across a source for you I will pass it on.

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    RE: HELP- FW1884 and FE-8s -RESOLVEd Thanks GUYPICKS 2007/11/19 15:05:29 (permalink)
    Same thing here - Even asked my contact at GC Pro if he could get a line on one and he has not been able to come up with anything.

    Strange with Tascam - Two units that seem to have a cultish following - the FE8 and the Tascam 2400 discontinued both suppossedly becuase a lack of sales - Now they are gone and I see people looking for them all the time - said it before will say it again

    Tascam's service sucks but the hardware they make rocks!

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