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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2008/10/25 13:38:25 (permalink)
Poor Samara had no idea it would be like this.....Hope she's cracking the whip up in Boston, not in a dark corner muttering to herself

Can you please let us have some details on what is NOT in HS7 that was in HS6.


Yeah- What he said.....

If these features have been deliberately left out of HS7, which I find astonishing, can I have my £39 back?


Or a ridiculously attractive deal on Producer? (Yeah, Right...)


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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2008/10/25 17:02:50 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: GrottoRob

Poor Samara had no idea it would be like this.....Hope she's cracking the whip up in Boston, not in a dark corner muttering to herself

Can you please let us have some details on what is NOT in HS7 that was in HS6.


Yeah- What he said.....

If these features have been deliberately left out of HS7, which I find astonishing, can I have my £39 back?


Or a ridiculously attractive deal on Producer? (Yeah, Right...)


Rob


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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2008/10/26 03:20:10 (permalink)
There are quite a few things missing, it seems... I'm noticing that there's no docking of windows anymore, for instance (although "enable tabbed" and "enable floating" still exist in the menus - just do nothing). And it seems that there's only one Piano Roll View window ever anymore also, which is a real bummer - you can't have multiple different tracks open in different windows at potentially different places. I think that makes the app much less multi-monitor friendly too, although I haven't yet tried it on a multi-monitor system to verify how that might work.

On the whole it seems like the changes were all intended to make a "simpler" application with a different kind of mindset behind it. Maybe they even explicitly wanted to make it less flexible so it makes more sense as an entry-level program. It's a little sad for people used to the older more powerful Home Studio though. And it's a little weird that they added much MORE flexibility in some cases (like bringing on the new piano-roll tools) but took out more basic stuff like Track Inspector and multiple windows.

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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2008/10/30 14:48:15 (permalink)
Quick for Admin question sent a e-mail never got a answer I have guitar tracks from way back was going to update to 7XL when I check out it says I am not qualified as a existing member and can not have the discountd price of 129.00. Is my version so old it does not count????
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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2008/11/06 10:40:03 (permalink)
Hi all, We understand your frustration that some of your favorite SONAR features have been removed from Home Studio 7 and I would like to explain our reasoning for doing so, along with providing you all a general list of what is not included in Home Studio.

The SONAR family of products, which includes SONAR 8 Producer, SONAR 8 Studio, SONAR Home Studio, Music Creator, SONAR LE and Audio Creator, are all designed to address a particular segment of our users. Many find jumping in with SONAR Producer or Studio overwhelming and not intuitive, so they easily become frustrated. The goal for SONAR Home Studio 7 was to provide users with the best possible first time experience; and that meant streamlining a number of work flow bottlenecks and limiting the level of user customization.

Here is the list of features in SHS6 that we have fenced in SHS7;

Track Inspector
Navigator Pane
Color, menu, layout customizations
Locking and unlocking tracks
Hiding Tracks
Tabbed Views
Session Drummer is removed from XL (replaced with Studio Instrument Drums)
Toolbars were removed (individual views, such as Staff, Loop Construction, still have their respective toolbars)
Big transport and Big Time are removed
64 bit OS is no longer supported
Track manager is removed
PRV tool microscope is removed from the Inline PRV (it is available in the regular PRV window)

Obviously there are features that will always only be available in SONAR Producer, such as V-Vocal. Splitting and merging Instrument Tracks is another features found only in SONAR Producer and Studio.

Again, we apologize for any frustration, stress, etc this upgrade has caused out many long term users. We are working hard to address your concerns and to resolve the open issues. We ask for your patience and deeply appreciate your continued support.

Samara Krugman
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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2008/11/06 11:02:29 (permalink)
Unfortunately, it seems CW also heard us when we were all saying that the margin between the Home Studio and SONAR lines was getting very small .
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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2008/11/06 11:34:42 (permalink)
Thank for the information.

It would have been great to know that before I bought my update. I would have gone directly to Sonar 8.

I know that we will have an offer to upgrade to Sonar 8

But, the problem is that if I want to upgrade to Sonar 8 I will have to pay for the shipping and custom fees again

The update to SHS7 XL from SHS6 XL as cost me 114 $.


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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2008/11/06 13:21:24 (permalink)

Hi Samara

First off, my sincere apologies for my part in the other matter.

Thanks for the clarification of the features of HS6 that have been dropped in HS7.

I must be completely honest, the new HS7 features mentioned in the your original post sold me the product immediately, I ordered up straight away on the basis of what was being added to the product.

However, it would have been nice to have been given an insight into the direction the product was about to take and maybe a list of the features being removed; I think had I been in possession of all the facts, I would have probably stayed with HS6 or taken the plunge direct to SONAR 8 PE.

Anyway, I think it's excellent that you and your colleagues are listening to our concerns and I for one am looking forward to see what comes of all this.

Thanks again

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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2008/11/06 21:12:36 (permalink)
Ditto the above. In large part I only bought HS6 to get the free update to 7, based on several Sonar 7 features (most notably the customizable MIDI tools) being in there. While I saw that the UI had been revamped, it honestly hadn't occurred to me that a bunch of features that I liked about 6 (I was previously only on Sonar 6 LE) would be explicitly removed.

And here I thought my long search for a host I could settle down with was finally over. Maybe I need to go all the way to Sonar 8 Studio, but I don't think the finances will allow for that. And I can't even claim buying HS6 gives me a cheaper upgrade to Sonar 8 - I have a previous license for Pro Audio, and the upgrade price from there is actually lower than from HS6, not to mention the $100+ already spent on HS6.

I can understand why Cakewalk decided to go this route, to diversify their offerings more. And I even think it kind of makes sense going forward. But it's a real bummer for already-existing users, and one that we should have had more warning about.

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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2009/01/15 12:27:40 (permalink)
Hi Samara,
just one question : is automation part of a clip in HS7? this means c: an i copy and paste a clip and the automation will be copied too?
oh and maybe another one : is there an arpeggiator in HS7?
thanx, i'm considering upgradimg from MC4 to HomeStudio7
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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2009/01/22 16:57:45 (permalink)
Hi Samara,

I know I'm just a new member of this forum, but I was wondering if I could ask you to consider a product enhancement. It would be great to have a BPM measurement function within the software, like you have on these DJ CD players. I'm recording a lot of drums using HS7 and it would be great when during playback you could have the Tempo view to show the actual BPM value. Now I believe you need to use other software and it would be nice if it could become an integrated feature.

TIA,
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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2009/01/22 17:13:45 (permalink)
Henk - this is the wrong place for a feature request.

use this form:
http://www.cakewalk.com/support/featurerequest.asp

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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2009/01/23 06:42:19 (permalink)
Okay, thanks. Sorry for the spam...

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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2009/01/31 19:00:58 (permalink)
HI Samara,

I recently upgraded from Sonar 1 to SHS7XL. So I've been getting used to the new look, etc. I have noticed that some of what I see on youtube I don't seem to have access to..like I've been watching the "audio snap" videos to tighten vocals and drums and I can't locate it. I can find the snap grid, but I don't have any of those options. So here's my question. Do I have access to the audio snap features or is that in another version, say "producer".

Also, I'm glad you mentioned in one of your comments that session drummer 2 was dropped for SI-Drums in SHS&XL. On youtube session drummer is mentioned as being part of SHS7 and I've been going nuts trying to find it.

Thanks Samara
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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2009/02/01 16:36:32 (permalink)

Hi there Allan

Bad news I'm afraid - there's no Session Drummer 2 or AudioSnap in HS7XL - they can, however, both be found in SONAR 8.

Check out this page: http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/HomeStudio/English/comparison.asp for comparisions.

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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2009/02/02 11:23:12 (permalink)
New look? That's fantastic. Wasn't XL 6's look good enough? I didn't feel I was missing something. In stead, you took out 64 bit. I completely upgraded my computers to 64 bits a year go. I am using XL 6/WinXP64. Great, here's XL 7 without 64 bits. Now, That's real progress Ms. Krugman, real progress. In the Readme of XL6 it was stated that the 64 bit problems will be addressed in a future edition. Nice change since. Sorry, no go to 7. Maybe ProTools M-Audio.

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post edited by sylva - 2009/02/02 11:26:36
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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2009/02/02 20:05:18 (permalink)
Yeah, we were all a bit surprised by the SHS7 release back in August, but the dust has settled. SHS7 is what it is. Hopefully it's a good call, and will do what Cakewalk wants it to do. It is clearly aimed more at new users than previous versions, and to that end, it appears to be reaching its target audience. They have suggested that more advanced users move up to Sonar 8 (which unlike Pro Tools, does have Vista 64 bit support). To the best of my knowledge, XP64 has never been supported, and never will be. I'm not trying to bust your chops, but if you really want to stick with 64 bit, it seems you have limited options at this point in time.

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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2009/02/03 01:24:48 (permalink)
Well, they have 64 bits in XL6 and promised to fix the problems regarding WinXP64 which they do mention in the Readme.txt. I took their word straight, but they bent it. To me it means they don't care about their customers as they did before, settling for the "good enough." Maybe it's the winds of new corporate culture from Roland? I don't know, but will start looking for something else. I bought XL6 for $129. Why should I switch to full 8 for a mere $271 (which is a fortune for me) more when XL6 has most what a good DAW is supposed to have? True, I am not a beginner anymore but XL6 is not for beginners. It's a very complex and fairly complete package which took some time to master, more over, I don't think I mastered it yet. When a manufacturer brags about the "new interface" of its product, flags go up in my mind becuase I have manufacturing experience. Most of the time it's nothing but gimmick. And gimmick it is, because apparently, under the shiny veneer, wood of much lesser quality was used. This is why I didn't hurry to buy the upgrade offered in tandem with the XL7's issue to market. I wanted to see what it was about. And what it is about is not to my liking. The computer world is clearly shifting to 64 bits. The pace is picking up and, though the change over is hardware driven, software is catching up. You now buy XL7 and 4-6 months down the road XL8 will be looming with grand opening: "Sonar Home Studio 8, now fully 64 bit!! Take advantage of our inexpensive upgrade for only $69." Ahhha, you just upgraded to 7 six months back for $59, and now 64 bit is back at only $69. The two upgrades sound pretty much like what I paid for XL6 to begin with. Maybe even Session Drummer will be back, of course, "new and improved." It's the old Microsoft thing. Windows 95, the new 32 bit operating system. No more DOS, new carefree memory management. Oh, yeah.
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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2009/02/03 23:43:42 (permalink)
I see what you are saying, Alex. SHS6 (and 4 for that matter) were very strong products, but the learning curve was undeniably brutal. I personally love what SHS6 brought to the table, but we dealt with many who were just overwhelmed by what it could do. I suppose it may have been a bit advanced for an "entry level" product, but it was pretty darn good.
SHS7 wasn't for me, but I hope it brings the success you want from it.

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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2009/02/04 12:32:24 (permalink)
Alex,

I understand your reasons, however if people find, as Robert says, that SHS6 is too steep to learn, than they have a choice to go to CompUSA or some other mega store and buy those $39-$49 entry level packages. Yes, SHS6 is an exceptionally strong product and I LOVE it. For your info, when I bought it I was a COMPLETE greenhorn at DAWs, MIDI, etc. and had a steep hill to climb. But I was at it from day one and am at it now. I still have a lot to learn about SHS6 XL. I thought that CAKEWALK will continue with the product in the vane it promised to, work out the problems in the 64 bit version and make SHS an even stronger product. This is all I meant to say. Watering it down leaves a bad taste. As a product, SHS became a stub with verstion 7. People cannot expect me to buy a completely new product every year (because this is what it would now take to get another 64 bit version that does not have the problems of SHS6). Sorry, but you need to see my side too.

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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2009/02/06 13:18:53 (permalink)
Help...anybody. I have been way out of the loop for quite sometime now. Last worked and have tracks/songs done in Sonar 3 Producer version. Need to know compatability to pull those songs up into a Home Studio version? Assume I can probably use import as a minimum? Also need to know if upgrade pricing is even a remote possibility since I am so far back down the chain of versions? Any guidance appreciated? Thanks.
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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2009/02/28 13:20:12 (permalink)
Can you help me with this?

Trying to install 7.01 and 7.02 updates but getting error.
"Cannot locate the required SONAR version on this system. Please install the correct version of SONAR to use this patch"
I reinstalled SONAR 7.00 XL with no luck. So I tried the "PatchAppData" download and it states "Nothing to do, common appdta path already exists"

Any help would be appreciated.

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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2009/04/07 12:56:33 (permalink)
This is really good to know Samara. I'm new to the studio scene and have purchased Sonar HS7XL and so far I'm really pleased. I really don't know what I'm doing, I'm more of a musician than technician, but the GUI of this software I do like! I ususally purchase a software pkg. at the worst possible upgrade. I got lucky with 7XL, Thanks to you guys at Cakewalk.

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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2009/04/07 14:07:18 (permalink)

Hello there Sid, welcome aboard.

Home Studio 7XL certainly is a great bit of gear - you've certainly purchased a very sophisticated and capable product.

I'd suggest you have a study of the manual, and work your way through the tutorials - basically get yourself acquainted with HS7. If you find yourself struggling at all, or you're not sure about anything, be sure to ask away - just click on the New Post link at the top of the main HS page.

There are plenty of very experienced and helpful folk in this forum who'd be only too happy to help you along!

Congratulations on your new software and good luck


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RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2009/05/08 14:30:38 (permalink)
Is there a Vocoder?
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Sonar Home Studio 7XL 2009/06/07 14:15:34 (permalink)
Does the Sonar Home Studio 7XL have a USB Audio Capture?
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RE: Sonar Home Studio 7XL 2009/06/07 17:22:43 (permalink)
SHS7 can record sound from a USB interface, or any sound card attached to your system.
If this is what you are asking, then yes.

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Re: RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2009/09/08 11:44:56 (permalink)
I use the Presonus faderport with HS6 & 7

With HS7:
In Track View there's an indicator that tells me which channel the faderport is controlling. However, in Console View I can't seem to see any type of indicator. Got any magic for this?

With HS6:
This is not a problem.

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Re: RE: SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2009/09/16 13:04:35 (permalink)
Yeah so, anyone?
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Re:SONAR Home Studio 7 Feature List 2009/09/21 15:07:05 (permalink)
Hello, My name is Billsteve

I would like to record more than one USB mics at once for a podcast, can I do that with Sonar? can I do that with the Home verson? can I even do it with the Music creator?
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