Proteus giving the hump!!!!

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2008/10/08 06:00:12 (permalink)

Proteus giving the hump!!!!

Morning all or good night if you live somewhere else..
For those guys familiar with Proteus can you tell me why after I've succesfully banked my sounds into 16 channels when playing a chosen track I hear other unwanted tracks at the same time. There's not a problem with play back..all tracks sound as they should..Its only when recording I hear other unwanted tracks.
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    ascottdesign
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    RE: Proteus giving the hump!!!! 2008/10/08 06:05:29 (permalink)
    BTW: Have tried muting undesired tracks, have also banked tracks on seperate channels and not used omni when setting up.
    Really got me stumped lol
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    RE: Proteus giving the hump!!!! 2008/10/08 08:27:42 (permalink)
    I'm not all that familiar with Proteus...but I would assume that it works similar to other synths in that it requires a midi source...either live or tracked. Just like in TTS, if you don't have the tracks & channels assigned properly, you will get that same thing going on....

    Be sure ... after tracking a source track is finished that you go back to track properties and select NONE as the input source. This stops...or should stop any miscellaneous midi that happens to be floating around...for what ever reason...from being used by that specific track to cause confusion.

    Also check the midi source track outputs as well to be sure they are all going where they are supposed to be and that 2 different tracks are not going to the same synth channel.

    As soon as I finish with a midi track I always shut off the inputs source by selecting NONE.

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    RE: Proteus giving the hump!!!! 2008/10/08 10:01:07 (permalink)
    Thanks for that Herb. I think the problem is in the second part of you solution... have ben sending output tracks to the same synth channel.
    Will also try selecting NONE when finished with the Midi track

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    RE: Proteus giving the hump!!!! 2008/10/08 11:17:16 (permalink)
    Alan. See post #109 in the Proteus thread.
    It may be somewhat confusing at this point, but shows how the input channels affect what you are doing.
    If you select NONE in the track properties, it is the same as Omni. What it means is that None of the channels in particular has been selected, so recieve data from any channel.

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    RE: Proteus giving the hump!!!! 2008/10/08 12:13:50 (permalink)

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    Alan. See post #109 in the Proteus thread.


    Oh, my...it really took that long for me to understand it .

    Well it is a great teaching tool/tutorial that's for sure!

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    RE: Proteus giving the hump!!!! 2008/10/08 14:27:16 (permalink)
    If you select NONE in the track properties, it is the same as Omni.


    Robertb...are you sure about this...I was refering to the input in the midi track view... when I select none... that's what I get...nothing. I have to select omni or a specific channel to be able to hear midi input from my 27S.

    I always shut the inputs off in this manner to keep from hearing the other midi tracks playing their respective patches while I'm working on a specific track.... and it seems to work for me in this manner.

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    RE: Proteus giving the hump!!!! 2008/10/08 15:01:34 (permalink)
    Tried using the NONE aspect Herb and it appears to work for me too.. I'll use it until I get my head around Bob's instructions.

    I appear to have lost access to the Proteus Presets which I find in the Proteus FILE> menu Bob. Looked everywhere. Do you have any suggestions????
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    RE: Proteus giving the hump!!!! 2008/10/08 17:04:03 (permalink)
    If anyone knows how I can get Proteus to load with the presets after bringing it in to MC4 I would be interested to hear.
    I used to be able to find it in the FILE MENU but its no longer in there.

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    RE: Proteus giving the hump!!!! 2008/10/08 17:23:41 (permalink)
    I sometimes get lost in there. In presets, look for Proteus Composer? I think.

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    RE: Proteus giving the hump!!!! 2008/10/08 17:55:37 (permalink)
    Thanks Greg, Been there tried that. Its all a bit too heavy for me at this stage.
    What I need and am looking for is a really good drum kit font. When I get one I'll have to go through the learning curve of down loading and setting up in MC4
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    RE: Proteus giving the hump!!!! 2008/10/08 17:58:26 (permalink)
    TTS-1 is working fine for me. Tell me is it possible to increase the number of sounds in MC4'S library or do you have to use fonts seperately from the standard library?
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    RE: Proteus giving the hump!!!! 2008/10/08 20:56:41 (permalink)
    Well, this is interesting, Herb.
    When you initially insert a soft synth, the input reads Omni, but the dropdown menu shows None checked.
    I can hit keys, and the synth(TTS-1 in this case) plays but it defaults to the first part (channel 1).
    Now here's where it get's fun. Once channels have been selected for various parts, I can select None from the dropdown menu. The track Input reads Omni, but it does indeed block the signal. Perhaps, once paths are established, None really does mean None.
    Since that method seems to work, I see no reason to change your approach.
    Personally, I have gotten into the habit of assigning a different channel to the input of each MIDI track as I create them. This way, I can have several synths or patches within a given synth active, and play only the one recieving on the channel my controller is set to.
    This allows you to quickly jump from one to another as you build the project.
    Bottom line, if a particular approach works for you, run with it.

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    RE: Proteus giving the hump!!!! 2008/10/08 21:16:51 (permalink)
    Alan, I just did a Windows search for some custom banks, and they appear to be tied to the project where they were used.
    Your File menu only stores a limited number of recent files, and that's probably why you can't see them any more.
    I'm not going to dig into it tonight, but I'm off next week, and I'll see I I can find how to save your custom banks to the library, which is probably where you really want them.

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    RE: Proteus giving the hump!!!! 2008/10/08 21:20:46 (permalink)
    I noticed lately that whenever I select omni, if I got back it changes it to channel 1. Are they the same? Or should I continue changing it back to omni? Gets a little annoying after a few times. You lost me on the last part of your post though. It will make sense one day. lol

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    RE: Proteus giving the hump!!!! 2008/10/08 21:22:56 (permalink)
    TTS-1 adheres strictly to the General MIDI set, so you can't add to that.
    Proteus does have quite a few different sets to choose from, and there are other options.
    This may be sort of a non-answer, but to go outside the GM set in TTS-1, yes, you would need to use Sound Fonts, other synths, etc., to get different sounds.

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    RE: Proteus giving the hump!!!! 2008/10/09 09:07:50 (permalink)
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