I can't believe ASIO4All better than M audio drivers

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RE: I can't believe ASIO4All better than M audio drivers 2009/02/01 13:20:30 (permalink)

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It is still surprising to me that people who have not experienced first hand how in certain circumstances ASIO4all can improve things, still trash it as just a WDM wrapper.



By the way, I do have personal experience with four different cards I have tried ASIO4ALL with. It generally does not do any better than my M-Audio card drivers (Delta 44 or FastTrackUltra) for either ASIO or WDM but it does of course improve stock cards such as Realtek.

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Cornieleous - According to your post you have not had first hand experiences where ASIO4ALL performed better than original OEM drivers. You found no improvement over M-Audio drivers. That's great. For me Line6 now has drivers that work as well as ASIO4all did, but not at first. There are many people who have ad first hand experience of ASIO4ALL working better than OEM drivers. What I have seen time and time again, is people who have not had personal experience with ASIO4ALL working better saying how it is impossible for ASIO4all to work better than the OEM WDM drivers. Many of these people are people that I respect greatly. All I'm trying to say is that it is funny how these people (who don't have the personal experience) maintain that ASIO4all can't actually do any better than an OEM's drivers. When in fact - in certain circumstances - it can. Chris Hawkins did a pretty good job explaining this in the link I provided.
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RE: I can't believe ASIO4All better than M audio drivers 2009/02/01 13:31:58 (permalink)
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It is still surprising to me that people who have not experienced first hand how in certain circumstances ASIO4all can improve things, still trash it as just a WDM wrapper. If that's all it is, why wouldn't people just use WDM? Why would there even be an ASIO4all and why would so many people use it? The guy who wrote it is a BIOS engineer and knows what he is doing. He has spent tons of time developing this API and he didn't spend all this time on it if it didn't do something "exta".


Just to clear things up a little and incase the commet was directed at me, I have used the ASIO4all drivers in the past to get an interface working where it wasnt working at all. I just wanted to point out that I have seen in the past that even though it appears that the ASIO4all drivers are giving and improvment latency wise (in writing) that the information on latency can be misleading, leading people to believe that the A4All driver works better than the original, but when it comes to scientifically measuring it , they are actually experiencing worse performance (in realtime terms) than they were before.


syrath - I didn't mean to direct the comment at you. You actually have experience where ASIO4ALL actually made the difference between working and not working. So you know that in certain circumstances this little API can make a huge difference. If it weren't for ASIO4ALL, I would have gotten rid of Vista and went back to XP because my drivers simply didn't work at all. Since then my OEM drivers have improved.

Regarding ASIO4ALL and latency - you may be right on the money. I haven't really tested it, but with ASIO4ALL, if I'm at a reported buffer of 512 the latency "feels" no different than my original OEM drivers at 512. So if there is a real difference it doesn't matter to me because it feels no different. And after recording, my recorded clips end up being positioned excactly where they should be. Which leads me to beleive that whatever ASIO4ALL is reporting as latency must be pretty accurate. I have no reason to doubt you on this, but whatever the difference is, in my experience, it doesn't matter.
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RE: I can't believe ASIO4All better than M audio drivers 2009/02/01 16:51:19 (permalink)
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