Wav./MP3 to MIDI conversion??

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2009/02/09 13:09:26 (permalink)

Wav./MP3 to MIDI conversion??

Is it possible to convert .Wav and/or MP3 files to .MID/.MIDI files using Sonar (7 or 8)?

I'd really love to know how to do this

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post edited by lllewelll - 2009/02/09 13:15:25
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    RE: Wav./MP3 to MIDI conversion?? 2009/02/09 13:15:31 (permalink)
    With SONAR? No. Well, you can try using the extract functions in Sonar's AudioSnap and V-Vocal features, but those are mainly for mono audio tracks.

    If you're talking about polyphonic music, you might want to check out Intelliscore. You can find it listed over on the DigiFreq Deals page under Innovative Music Systems:

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    RE: Wav./MP3 to MIDI conversion?? 2009/02/09 13:20:50 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: lllewelll

    Is it possible to convert .Wav and/or MP3 files to .MID/.MIDI files using Sonar (7 or 8)?

    I'd really love to know how to do this

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    Not like you might think. There are plugins for that but it doesn't take a mixed song apart and pick out all the parts. That type of thing is still in the future. About all you can do right now is decode a single mono track. It will give you the notes and maybe some velocity information if it can tell how loud each note is but it's still not an exact science. Also, for that infromation to be valuable you still have to match up the MIDI with a software synth patch that gets close to the attack, decay, sustain, and release and sound of the instrument in the audio.

    What that type of thing can be good for is replaceing real drum tracks with MIDI. That's a fairly easy job since pitch doesn't have to be decoded it just has to guess where the hit is on the timeline and spit out the note you want. Or maybe a single note line like a horn track. When you get into chords or fancy guitar leads it will get lost.
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    RE: Wav./MP3 to MIDI conversion?? 2009/02/09 15:24:29 (permalink)
    Thanks for the prompt replies, guys. This is insightful, and helps me be more realistic.

    It'll be great when they've got something quite precise. I guess that makes it all to easy for people like me, then, though. I'll love to do some ethnic instrument cross-overs with western music and vica versa.

    I've got IntelleScore 7.0, Scott, but I don't seem to be able to use the discount code of the update version. Anyway to sort this? I'd like to see if version 7.2 is much better than 7.0.

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    RE: Wav./MP3 to MIDI conversion?? 2009/02/09 15:47:59 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: lllewelll


    I've got IntelleScore 7.0, Scott, but I don't seem to be able to use the discount code of the update version. Anyway to sort this? I'd like to see if version 7.2 is much better than 7.0.

    Cheers,
    lllewelll


    Hi lllewelll,

    You would need to contact the Innovative Music Systems company about that. They have contact info at:
    http://www.intelliscore.net/contact.html

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    Re: Wav./MP3 to MIDI conversion?? 2017/10/09 12:43:21 (permalink)
    Unless you have access to some killer Star Trek technology, the short answer is no.  The only real way to convert a full MP3 track to a fully split 16 track MIDI file, complete with the right patches, effects and feel, is do it manually - and with patience. 

    If you attempt to use any automated process, you would end up with a piece that sounds like a cat running up and down a keyboard.

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    Re: Wav./MP3 to MIDI conversion?? 2017/10/09 13:38:11 (permalink)
    Thinking out loud (maybe bad idea).  I wonder if Band in a Box or Real Tracks would do this?  I think Real Tracks will accept a wav file and save it as a .mid. 

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    Re: Wav./MP3 to MIDI conversion?? 2017/10/09 13:39:45 (permalink)
    Still the most accurate (& probably quickest, even) way is to transcribe the music manually.

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    Re: Wav./MP3 to MIDI conversion?? 2017/10/09 13:39:54 (permalink)
    FWIW, this thread from 2009 was revived by spam (now deleted).
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    Re: Wav./MP3 to MIDI conversion?? 2017/10/09 15:16:09 (permalink)
    Thanks, scook. Those guys are persistent, aren't they...
     
    I might as well add an update to the thread that although converting program material from WAV to MIDI is not really doable, I've been having good results with Melodyne (Editor version) converting guitar chords to MIDI. It requires a little cleanup but so far, it's an effective way to do "MIDI guitar."
     

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    Re: Wav./MP3 to MIDI conversion?? 2017/10/09 18:23:37 (permalink)
    Craig, can you explain how you accomplish that? When I have tried Melodyne on guitar chords, I get dozens of overtones instead of six strings.

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    Re: Wav./MP3 to MIDI conversion?? 2017/10/09 19:22:37 (permalink)
    You need to use a version with polyphonic pitch detection, and drag the resulting audio into a MIDI SONAR track. Melodyne Essential won't do the job. 
     
    Here's a link to a song I'm working on. Check out the guitar figure that starts it, then go to 0:50 - the synth part is extracted from the guitar figure. At 1:27, you can hear the synth in isolation. At 1:57 it's doubled with the guitar. It took surprisingly little cleanup.

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    Re: Wav./MP3 to MIDI conversion?? 2017/10/09 19:46:28 (permalink)
    Awesome song. amazing hooks, great beat.

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    Re: Wav./MP3 to MIDI conversion?? 2017/10/11 03:41:58 (permalink)
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    Thanks, scook. Those guys are persistent, aren't they...
     
    I might as well add an update to the thread that although converting program material from WAV to MIDI is not really doable, I've been having good results with Melodyne (Editor version) converting guitar chords to MIDI. It requires a little cleanup but so far, it's an effective way to do "MIDI guitar."
     


    So this is a hack on Sonar's site or what? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4b5r7fm25o
     

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    Re: Wav./MP3 to MIDI conversion?? 2017/10/11 04:26:01 (permalink)
    I said "program material," not monophonic tracks. There's a difference. Melodyne Essential works fine for sax, voice, bass, guitar leads, etc. Melodyne Editor works for polyphonic tracks, like guitar chords. Neither works well for program material. Then again nothing else does, either.

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    Re: Wav./MP3 to MIDI conversion?? 2017/10/11 04:48:48 (permalink)
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    I said "program material," not monophonic tracks. There's a difference. Melodyne Essential works fine for sax, voice, bass, guitar leads, etc. Melodyne Editor works for polyphonic tracks, like guitar chords. Neither works well for program material. Then again nothing else does, either.


    and as "I asked" does this feature work or not? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4b5r7fm25o
     
     

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    Re: Wav./MP3 to MIDI conversion?? 2017/10/11 15:04:30 (permalink)
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    I said "program material," not monophonic tracks. There's a difference. Melodyne Essential works fine for sax, voice, bass, guitar leads, etc. Melodyne Editor works for polyphonic tracks, like guitar chords. Neither works well for program material. Then again nothing else does, either.


    and as "I asked" does this feature work or not? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4b5r7fm25o

     
    and as "I said" "Melodyne Essential works fine for sax, voice, bass, guitar leads, etc. Melodyne Editor works for polyphonic tracks, like guitar chords." To simplify, that means "yes."
     

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    Re: Wav./MP3 to MIDI conversion?? 2017/10/12 04:00:24 (permalink)
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    I said "program material," not monophonic tracks. There's a difference. Melodyne Essential works fine for sax, voice, bass, guitar leads, etc. Melodyne Editor works for polyphonic tracks, like guitar chords. Neither works well for program material. Then again nothing else does, either.


    and as "I asked" does this feature work or not? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4b5r7fm25o

     
    and as "I said" "Melodyne Essential works fine for sax, voice, bass, guitar leads, etc. Melodyne Editor works for polyphonic tracks, like guitar chords." To simplify, that means "yes."
     


    lol, yup, that was my problem, Melodyne not installed on laptop. That also worked fine on my real system. peace!
    I didn't realize that Melodyne is the key to using this feature. Peace!

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