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Possible to latch notes in S8PE?
I want to turn a softsynth patch (say a pad) "on" for an indefinite period of time, and play over it. I'd like to be able to end or change notes on the synth whenever I feel like it. Basically, I want to send a Note On message, and have it play until I send a Note Off, or trigger a different note. It would be similar to the way Tassman can be switched on or off. I've tried entering a 500-bar note (held), but that doesn't allow me to change the note on the fly. Can Sonar, or some utility, do this? Thanks!
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RE: Possible to latch notes in S8PE?
2009/02/11 10:01:38
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RE: Possible to latch notes in S8PE?
2009/02/11 11:48:35
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RE: Possible to latch notes in S8PE?
2009/02/11 12:13:45
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Sustain MIDI controller event? Does depend if the synth responds to it of course.
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RE: Possible to latch notes in S8PE?
2009/02/11 12:30:47
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ORIGINAL: kp Sustain MIDI controller event? Does depend if the synth responds to it of course. If that does work, you could consider playing around with the polyphony of the synth in question, so that any new note played steals from one of the existing notes being played. Just a suggestion Dave and thanks for the insult.
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RE: Possible to latch notes in S8PE?
2009/02/11 16:41:41
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Bristol, I didn't see a smiley, and your first post irritated me. I have been trying to figure out how to do what I asked for a long time. If you were just joking, OK. But I'm not in the mood for flip posts. Thank you for being serious in your second response. Let me explain a little better what it is I want to do. I am preparing for live performance, not recording. I want to trigger a pad and let it play indefinitely, leaving my hands free to tweak parameters such as cutoff, resonance, etc. It's easy to hold a note down and do that, but you waste one hand holding the note. And, you can't play an EWI while you're holding down a note. I need what would be called a "latch" on an analog synth. Then I can start the note(s), tweak params, and play EWI, and then latch another note, and so on. I want to create a basic pad-like bed that I can tweak over time (live), and also play other instruments and add parts. Kind of like looping without being stuck with short repetitive loops (think Live or P5). I've been listening to Robert Rich for a year or so, and it sounds like he's latching some notes sometimes, and I want to do that in software. He has a massive analog synth with who knows how many switches, etc., and can do that in real time. As I said, Tassman can construct VA's that will turn on or off, producing what I want. I'd like to figure out how to do it either in Sonar using VSTi/DXi synths (Zebra2, Rapture, Z3ta+, etc.), or maybe using a VST plugin that will latch notes. Another comparison that might explain it. It would be like an arpeggiator that would sustain one note. You can set an arp to spit out any pattern for any length of time. I want one that will do that with one note. You can latch the arp in P5, so let me latch a one-note arp, if that makes sense.
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RE: Possible to latch notes in S8PE?
2009/03/10 19:17:41
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I'd like to figure out how to do it either in Sonar using VSTi/DXi synths (Zebra2, Rapture, Z3ta+, etc.), or maybe using a VST plugin that will latch notes. Here's how you can currently do that in Rapture, Dave. You may want to load up your 'main sound' first, then construct the 'latch' in an unused Element. In the 'latch' Element, load up or build the sound that you want latched. If you want to confine this to a small range of trigger notes, use the Lo / Hi Key adjustment in the Multisamples section to narrow this Element down. In the Amp EG for this Element, set the Status to On. Right-click very close the 'default' node to create a second node. Press 'S' on your Qwerty to convert that node into a sustain point. Keep scrolling back on the mouse wheel to zoom way, way out (or use Zoom Out repeatedly in the context menu). Right-click again (beyond the sustain point) to create a third node. Drag that node to the far right, along the upper border. In the 'time:' display, you'll see that you'll be thousands of milliseconds out. 30,000.0 will be a 30-second release. These notes won't stop until the release stage is complete, and the upper limitations reach beyond several days. If you'd like to limit the number of latched notes, reduce the default Polyphony (16 voices) downward. Then any new notes entered will start 'voice-stealing' after their numbers reach the Polyphony limit.
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RE: Possible to latch notes in S8PE?
2009/03/10 22:25:25
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Great solution, Brock, I'll try that. Thanks!
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RE: Possible to latch notes in S8PE?
2009/03/11 00:01:49
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Dave, You might look at a MIDI translator program like Bome's Midi Translator. You can translate any MIDI message, like a note on message, to controller 64 (sustain on). Set up another key for sustain off and you've got a latching sustain pedal. You can also do things like translate one controller type (mod wheel) to another (sustain). I saw a Vicki Beeching concert last year and the bass player was triggering synth pads and sustaining with a pedal. He would play a little bass, tweak a little on the synth, etc. You might consider this if your controller has a second foot switch input and you've got an extra foot. Murray
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