Remove hidden Pgm/control code in midi track?

Importing a BiaB song into Sonar 8.2.1PE I have one track which insists on setting TTS-1 channel 7 to the Kyoto patch. I have gone into the Events List view and deleted every control event in EVERY track and STILL the track gets reassigned to Koto patch.

Any idea where this patch change might be found and deleted?
thanks
Fred

Also make sure the track itselfl is not set to a MIDI channe

Thanks ba_midi - That did it . I still wonder though where the devil is that information is in the midi stream and is there another way to change/delete it
Again, Thanks,
Fred

Just tried this - Copying the clip and pasting it into a new track also removes the patch information

Ctrl A>edit>select>by filter>check Patch and Bank>OK>press Delete on keyboard

Sounds logical but can't get this one to work

also tried Go SEARCH and "No event matching...is found" is returned

Where the hell is this info buried?
Fred

Thanks Roflcopter,

I'm headed out for the evening but will try that tomorrow
Fred

Hi Vivchik

I performed the following sequence

Ctrl A to select everything
edit menu
select
by filter
deslected everyhing then...
checked Patch (did not exclude anything)
OK
press Delete on keyboard

The patch information is still present apparently because when I press play the instrument on channel 7 (in Cakewalk TTS-1) changes from Piano to Tako drum. The patch information is still somewhere in the midi file.

I have been more successful by copying the midi file from BIAB to the clipboard (and using the options "No patch changes" ) and pasting that into sonar. I can then select what track goes to what patch in TTS without any problems.

Fred

I have been more successful by copying the midi file from BIAB to the clipboard (and using the options "No patch changes" ) and pasting that into sonar. I can then select what track goes to what patch in TTS without any problems.

Yep, that's what I do. IIRC I had your same problem, stumbled over that simple solution, and left it at that.

Hi hugojacquet,
You get the gold ring
The information is in the TRACK properties
Just set both Bank and Patch properties to "None" and you can freely assign that track to any patch.
You can also free or force a channel assignment.

at 70+ senior moments abound.

A BIG THANK YOU
Now back to making music
Fred

Glad you got it sorted out -- kudos to Hugo!

-Susan

This was my first time importing from BIAB

Lessons learned - Recap

Initial Patch/Banks imported from BIAB are located in Sonar's TRACK properties.
They can also be edited in TRACK Properties
They appaently cannot be selected/edited in the "Edit/Select/By Filter..." menu
In BIAB "Make MIDI/Options" menu you can unselect insert patch changes

Patches/banks Inserted in Sonar using the "insert" menu can be located in the Event List list
They can be selected/edited in the event
They can also be located/edited via the "Edit/Select/By Filter..." menu


And, you can set TTS-1 as your main synth in BiaB (or I think any VST)

Any corrections/comments?

Thanks to all!

Fred