TrackinTed
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64 bit VS 32 Bit Sonar 8.5
I am about to reinstall all of my software with Windows 7 64 bit. Are there any advantages to installing Sonar 8.5 Studio vs 32bit version.
I have EZDrummer as my main drum application, but am willing to buy JBridge, if it isn't a huge hassle to get up and running or to operate EZD with JBridge and Sonar 64bit.
Feedback please....
Thanks,
Ted
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Re:64 bit VS 32 Bit Sonar 8.5
2009/10/06 08:17:19
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I'd install them both if you have the space. This way if you run into any issue with 64-bit Sonar and 32-bit plug-ins, you could open the project in 32-bit Sonar and keep work (as long as you aren't over the 4gig RAM limit that is).
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Re:64 bit VS 32 Bit Sonar 8.5
2009/10/06 08:30:40
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I use and has only the 64bit version installed on VISTA 64bit, but as Tom already said, it can be a great idea to have both versions. Even though, I don't think you will run into any problems that can't be overcome and solved with the included SONAR bitbridge or with jBridge. 99,98 % work under 64bit... even Waves-plugin & Nomad Factory work now with DX-bridge & Sonar Bitbridge.. check: Did you know.. to get more info. http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=1830605 Regards Freddie
post edited by Freddie H - 2009/10/06 08:31:53
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Re:64 bit VS 32 Bit Sonar 8.5
2009/10/06 08:35:27
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TrackinTed
I am about to reinstall all of my software with Windows 7 64 bit. Are there any advantages to installing Sonar 8.5 Studio vs 32bit version.
I have EZDrummer as my main drum application, but am willing to buy JBridge, if it isn't a huge hassle to get up and running or to operate EZD with JBridge and Sonar 64bit.
Feedback please....
Thanks,
Ted
In you signature you have 4GB RAM, You have Sonar Studio, not PE and EZDrummer is the only listed VSTi. It looks like you record mostly Audio. I would not think you would see much advantage in 64 bit. (Cue Freddie with the counter argument.) If you use more VSTi, particularly somthing like Kontact and you increase the RAM to 8 GB it would be worth while. Freddie beat me to it :)
post edited by Glyn Barnes - 2009/10/06 08:37:18
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TrackinTed
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Re:64 bit VS 32 Bit Sonar 8.5
2009/10/06 08:55:04
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Thank you to all... and a special thanks to my friend in Dubai... long way from Tennessee....
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Freddie H
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Re:64 bit VS 32 Bit Sonar 8.5
2009/10/06 09:02:53
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haha Glyn, my friend  You need 128bits to record Audio, everyone knows that...  haha You are right Glyn, agree! =) I don't know.. perhaps overall, the x64bit system would work little bit better for him, any version of Windows 7 works & rocks so...
post edited by Freddie H - 2009/10/06 09:05:17
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Re:64 bit VS 32 Bit Sonar 8.5
2009/10/06 10:19:22
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The main thing I have with 64bits is that alot of garbage in the OS is now no longer present. It's a sort of cleaner OS. Great for making music...
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Re:64 bit VS 32 Bit Sonar 8.5
2009/10/06 12:18:54
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Producer 8.5 loaded with no glitches but the Cakewalk synths simply would not run--apparently the 64 bit dll's are an issue. The program runs and 32 bit VST synths run just fine from Native Instruments, Toontrack, IK, etc.
I tried WDN/WASAPI/MME drivers. The programs shows audio running but can't get sound for any 64bit synth/Dimension Pro/Session Drummer/Rapture/True Pianos, etc. I use WDN in version 8--no problem.
This is in Vista 64 in a very powerful machine.
Luckily I used System Restore before installation (which seemed to go okay) and went back to Producer 8 and it runs fine.
I hope this is not like the Rapture issue that took forever to fix.
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Re:64 bit VS 32 Bit Sonar 8.5
2009/10/06 14:40:46
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Producer 8.5 loaded with no glitches but the Cakewalk synths simply would not run--apparently the 64 bit dll's are an issue. The program runs and 32 bit VST synths run just fine from Native Instruments, Toontrack, IK, etc.
I tried WDN/WASAPI/MME drivers. The programs shows audio running but can't get sound for any 64bit synth/Dimension Pro/Session Drummer/Rapture/True Pianos, etc. I use WDN in version 8--no problem.
This is in Vista 64 in a very powerful machine.
Luckily I used System Restore before installation (which seemed to go okay) and went back to Producer 8 and it runs fine.
I hope this is not like the Rapture issue that took forever to fix.
You probably missed something while installing Sonar 8.5 as this is not the case for many, like myself, who run Sonar 8.5.1 x64 in Vista64 all day long. Did you try running Sonar as an administrator, or opening Sonar while holding SHIFT key (to start the personalization process)? Changing driver modes will do nothing to fix the problem by the way. Try re-installing Sonar 8.5 without any Firewalls, Anti-Virus, or Spyware softwares engaged.
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mn0001
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Re:64 bit VS 32 Bit Sonar 8.5
2009/10/06 15:05:03
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I am running Win7 Ultimate/64, Sonar SE 8.5 in 64-bit mode, MOTU 896/8pre/MIDI Express with latest 64 bit drivers, I have experienced issues with the Sonitus:FX plug in, specifically the EQ was the one I tried. What happens is after adding the plugin to a track it causes Sonar to go into a Not Responding state, then eventually blue-screens my computer with a 'System Service Exception' error. Further troubleshooting has revealed it has something to do with the 2005 VC++ runtime libraries, and I believe specifically the file MSVCRT8.DLL. The problem does not occur in safe mode. I have also made sure I downloaded the latest Radeon video drivers, MOTU drivers, updated my BIOS, and made sure any unnecessary services were stopped. It is a vanilla machine for the most part, I have no other software or plug ins installed with the exception of Sonar 8.0 Studio which I had before installing the 8.5 upgrade. Hardware is a Dell Studio 540 quadcore, 8GB RAM.
Please note I am not trying to hijack this thread by any means, in fact I have a seperate thread started already for my issue stated above. The reason I am mentioning it here is I believe after troubleshooting this for several days, and reviewing the log files and error messages, that there are still some bugs to be worked out within the Sonar 8.5 64-bit application particularly running on Windows 7.
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Re:64 bit VS 32 Bit Sonar 8.5
2009/10/06 17:55:45
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Mn00001,
I've seen this problem mentioned before. You need to make sure you have the latest Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 Redistributable installed in your system. Perhaps Sonar is referencing the wrong version. A search on "MSVCRT8.DLL" will provide you with the correct answer.
Good Luck!
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Re:64 bit VS 32 Bit Sonar 8.5
2009/10/07 03:18:32
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Mn00001,
I've seen this problem mentioned before. You need to make sure you have the latest Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 Redistributable installed in your system. Perhaps Sonar is referencing the wrong version. A search on "MSVCRT8.DLL" will provide you with the correct answer.
Good Luck!
+1 Many use that pack, example Native Instruments too.
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mn0001
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Re:64 bit VS 32 Bit Sonar 8.5
2009/10/08 12:06:56
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Thank you for the replies, I sincerely appreciate it. I have tried your suggestions, and even tried a complete uninstall/reinstall of 8.0 then 8.5 without migrating the user settings, and still am experiencing the issue. I have logged this with Cakewalk tech support and sent them dump files. Just for your info, the detail of the crash is as follows:
Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: SONARSTD.EXE
Application Version: 17.5.0.141
Application Timestamp: 4a9774b3
Fault Module Name: MSVCR80.dll
Fault Module Version: 8.0.50727.4927
Fault Module Timestamp: 4a27427d
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 000000000001e250
OS Version: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.256.1
Locale ID: 1033
Additional Information 1: 616f
Additional Information 2: 616fb9c19f1905e6138f2599617e4309
Additional Information 3: dbaf
Additional Information 4: dbaf8fdedfec9fa808fae5991bfa6b7f
I will follow up with this on my other thread, but just wanted to share this with users on this thread for info purposes. Thank you for your time and consideration.
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Re:64 bit VS 32 Bit Sonar 8.5
2009/10/08 15:06:59
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TrackinTed
I am about to reinstall all of my software with Windows 7 64 bit. Are there any advantages to installing Sonar 8.5 Studio vs 32bit version.
I have EZDrummer as my main drum application, but am willing to buy JBridge, if it isn't a huge hassle to get up and running or to operate EZD with JBridge and Sonar 64bit.
Feedback please....
Thanks,
Ted
Hi Ted, I just installed w7 yesterday. I also installed Superior drummer and I am going to install the rest today hopefully. I have several hours of installing to do. Not looking forward to that part, but the 64-bit part looks like fun. The good thing is that you can install the 32-bit SONAR besides the 64-bit in case you run into any compatibility issues. I really like the 'look' of W7, but got burned by the search feature in the explorer. I wasted a few hours figuring out that the explorer search doesn't work very well.
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Re:64 bit VS 32 Bit Sonar 8.5
2009/10/08 19:38:32
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Freddie H
99,98 % work under 64bit...
Regards
Freddie
For me not even all the plugins that are bundled with sonar work...
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Freddie H
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Re:64 bit VS 32 Bit Sonar 8.5
2009/10/10 01:27:12
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Yes that's true! =) But only few old once..that i don't need or use and the new Studio Reverb 2, project 5-series.
Lexicon Reverb that are in x64 and the included IR-Reverb from Voxengo works in x64bit too.Anyway, I think that the Studio Reverb 2 will get ported to 64bit too in the next update of SONAR 8.5.x.
Regards
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Re:64 bit VS 32 Bit Sonar 8.5
2009/10/10 08:03:20
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As I ranted on another thread, it would be nice if the VC 64 was in fact 64 bit. That's my favorite compressor along with the Waves R Comps.
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Re:64 bit VS 32 Bit Sonar 8.5
2009/10/19 15:10:35
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I just wanted to share with the folks on this thread the solution to my problem I reported earlier on this thread (and have shared via a seperate thread on this forum).
The issue was with the version of the SonitusFXEQ.dll file that came with Sonar 8.5 Studio edition. Cakewalk tech support provided me for troubleshooting purposes the SonitusFXEQ.dll file that came with 8.5 Producer edition and ehan I replaced that file, the problem went away! What is interesting is that the size of the DLL provided to me is the same as the one I replaced. But the file properties are definitely different between the 2. The one I backed up was version 3.3.3.221 and says Copyright 2004 Twelve Tone Systems (those were the days!) and the one sent to me is version 3.3.3.372 and says Copyright 2004 Cakewalk... makes me wonder about the rest of the Sonitus
plugins, perhaps you may want to check them out between producer and studio.
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Re:64 bit VS 32 Bit Sonar 8.5
2012/12/20 15:58:47
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mn0001
I am running Win7 Ultimate/64, Sonar SE 8.5 in 64-bit mode, MOTU 896/8pre/MIDI Express with latest 64 bit drivers, I have experienced issues with the Sonitus:FX plug in, specifically the EQ was the one I tried. What happens is after adding the plugin to a track it causes Sonar to go into a Not Responding state, then eventually blue-screens my computer with a 'System Service Exception' error. Further troubleshooting has revealed it has something to do with the 2005 VC++ runtime libraries, and I believe specifically the file MSVCRT8.DLL. The problem does not occur in safe mode. I have also made sure I downloaded the latest Radeon video drivers, MOTU drivers, updated my BIOS, and made sure any unnecessary services were stopped. It is a vanilla machine for the most part, I have no other software or plug ins installed with the exception of Sonar 8.0 Studio which I had before installing the 8.5 upgrade. Hardware is a Dell Studio 540 quadcore, 8GB RAM.
Please note I am not trying to hijack this thread by any means, in fact I have a seperate thread started already for my issue stated above. The reason I am mentioning it here is I believe after troubleshooting this for several days, and reviewing the log files and error messages, that there are still some bugs to be worked out within the Sonar 8.5 64-bit application particularly running on Windows 7.
Had the same problem with my laptop running windows 7 home 64 bit as well as a desktop running windows 7 home 64 bit. I installed sonar 8.0 64bit and then updated it...then installed 8.5 64 bit and then updated it. Both computers would freeze up when i inserted a sonitus graphic equalizer. It required me to perform a hard reset. Another thing I found was that on some of the plugins, the graphics being displayed would freeze up each time I toggled the parrameters. For example, In the boost plugin, the little image on bottom would seize up each time I adjusted the output volume or the boost control. Kind of wierd. Lastly the biggest issue was that CPU usage was bouncing around between 30% - 99% constantly. And trust me I know how to optimize sonar's performance by adjusting latency and disk buffer size ect. I've been using sonar for 6 years now. None of this happened as soon as I reinstalled Sonar 8 and 8.5 as the 32 bit version. The brings me to conclude that Sonar 64bit 8.5 and 8.0 DO NOT mix well with Windows 7 64 bit operating system, however the 32 bit sonar works perfectly.
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