STUNNING low-latency performance in Sonar 8.5 x64 on Win 7 x64 - The future has arrived!

For those that have wisely avoided my epically verbose Windows 7/Sonar 8.4 x64 thread  ( http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?&m=1852337 ) I  just wanted to chime in on how good of low-latency performance I'm getting with Win 7 x64 and Sonar 8.5.1 x64.

I'm easily playing back basic/average projects at 32 sample latency (that's 0.7 ms latency one-way, folks, before hitting the DA converters) and not even breaking a sweat, while I pound away live with Omnisphere, AND, I'm synced up to a video clip!!!!! THIS IS CRAZY, INSANE, AND PULSE-POUNDINGLY AWESOME.

I'm simply stunned thinking how easily this system (refer to the above thread for details) can handle all this stuff at this kind of latency. Not that I plan on working at this latency that often, I'm just giddy like a little school child that the system has the capability to perform at this level. In my case I'm using a Lynx audio card (with their superb drivers) and I've disabled Aero, but other than that, there's really nothing special about this system.

And, by the way, I can also get similar performance on this system out of Cubase 5.1 x64 and Reaper x64, for those that care.

Wooohooooooo! I haven't seen how far it can go yet, but I'm just shaking my head in disbelief.

:)

The future has arrived!

That sounds great Eratu.

would you mind posting your exact specs beyond this info from the other thread? 
'ASUS P6T motherboard, Core i7 920 and 12GB RAM'

I want ONE!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks
Tim

timidi


That sounds great Eratu.

would you mind posting your exact specs beyond this info from the other thread? 
'ASUS P6T motherboard, Core i7 920 and 12GB RAM'

I want ONE!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks
Tim

Windows 7 x64 Professional
ASUS P6T
Core i7 920 slightly overclocked to 3GHz (using a nice heatsink, see other thread)
12 GB RAM
3X WD Caviar Black hard drives (boot, samples, projects, may add 1-2 more)
NVIDIA Quadro FX570
A great little TI-based firewire card (can't remember model, see other thread)
Lynx L22 audio card

BTW, I also have tested this with my Sapphire Pro 40 so far, and I can only get 128 samples latency no matter what I do with that one. No surprises there, it's a DICE-II based product, but it does work very nicely and sounds great. I REALLY want to see if I can get the Sapphire Pro 40 to work well at 64 sample latency. That would be a real stunner for a DICE-II product.

I've done very little tweaking to this system... see the other thread for more details, but this is basic stuff. I did have to disable Aero so I could get clean playback from Omnisphere, though.

Other than that, nothing special, here, folks. This is a basic i7. :) Amazing days we live in. :)

And, by the way, I can also get similar performance on this system out of Cubase 5.1 x64 and Reaper x64, for those that care.

 
When I was assembling/testing Jet-City, I found Sonar's v8's performance (at 96k with a 64-sample ASIO buffer size) absolutely blew Cubase 5 and Reaper out of the water.  
That's not to say that Cubase 5 and Reaper are bad performers...
Sonar 8 is just incredibly good at ultra low latency settings.

You guys are determined to push me to 64 bits.  Well I will get there someday. Sooner rather then later I hope.  

the best mother board out there right now is the asus  p6t6 revolution.... 7, that's right 7 pcie 2 x 16 slots.....cool around $600

i'm already out of slots but that board wasn't available at the time.

only has 2 pcie 16 slots... other than that looks prety good... i'm an asus guy though... never been let down with them... and i build quite a few pc's.....

take a look at my hardware profile just up the page....  plus i'm planning on going to the Radat pcie card so i can go with the apogee 16 ad and da converters so i'll need two more pcie slots for that.   and probly add another Uad quad card

go for it man... it's only money.  you only live once.  a one legged goat can hop just as fast as the keebler elf.  whoa.... just had a flash back.

also may want more graphics... been playing around with the idea of having quad monitors to expand the desktop even more... my philosophy has always been.  it's better to have a condom and never need it then to need it and not have it.  the price of all those extra slots doesn't cost a lot more and you have to remember...  space between cards is also a good thing.  who knows what cool new card will come out in the future.    maximum expandability... never a bad thing   also the pcie 1 will work in a 16 but not the other way around.

to James (eratu)

Glad to hear you're getting such good performance but I have to admit I'm getting that  sort of latency with SPE 8.5.1 x64 on VISTA Ultimate x64 SP2 with an i7 920 (not OverClocked)  Giga x58 MOBO with 12 GIG G-SKILL DDR 3 RAM.

I think Im going to up the onboard cooling device (using stock intel cooler) and start experimenting with overclocking as so many seem to be having success with my combination of components.

What sort of speeds do you reckon I'd get to? Any primers on doing the OC as I've never got into it before?

eratu


For those that have wisely avoided my epically verbose Windows 7/Sonar 8.4 x64 thread  ( http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?&m=1852337 ) I  just wanted to chime in on how good of low-latency performance I'm getting with Win 7 x64 and Sonar 8.5.1 x64.

I'm easily playing back basic/average projects at 32 sample latency (that's 0.7 ms latency one-way, folks, before hitting the DA converters) and not even breaking a sweat, while I pound away live with Omnisphere, AND, I'm synced up to a video clip!!!!! THIS IS CRAZY, INSANE, AND PULSE-POUNDINGLY AWESOME.

I'm simply stunned thinking how easily this system (refer to the above thread for details) can handle all this stuff at this kind of latency. Not that I plan on working at this latency that often, I'm just giddy like a little school child that the system has the capability to perform at this level. In my case I'm using a Lynx audio card (with their superb drivers) and I've disabled Aero, but other than that, there's really nothing special about this system.

And, by the way, I can also get similar performance on this system out of Cubase 5.1 x64 and Reaper x64, for those that care.

Wooohooooooo! I haven't seen how far it can go yet, but I'm just shaking my head in disbelief.

:)

The future has arrived!

Great James! =) 
I don't think that would work on VISTA x64bit... only on ---> Windows 7 x64 
 
Have a nice weekend! =)
 
Best Regards
Freddie

i only need a few usb's.... one for the controller... one for the mouse and keyboard.  and one for the 700.  the raydat will handle all my comings and goings once installed.  i'll use the 700r for.....?  hmmm  good questune.  but i do like the six monitor idea... that would be cool.  i could travel anywhere in the studio and have a look see.   i'm not even sure how many usbs the p6td has but it's quite afew.  i rely heavily on my plugs and the uad for most stuff.  the only external controllers i have are the 700c and the yamaha kx8

i dont see the spectacular side of this "news" ;-)

i can run projects at 32samples with my rme pci card with winxp sp3 and a core2duo at 3 giga with no major issues...

regards
 
edit: ps: as i wrote elsewhere i almost believe people just got so misused to good performance by the silly vista that they now belive that w7 is "hyper"
since i have a w764 on my swappable bay i can tell for sure that in my case its NOT 20-40% better than xp - probably even a few % worse !!!
but - go on folks - feed the industry - global warming also comes from quad cores that heat up like 150 watt lightbulbs ;-)

 

mudgel


to James (eratu)

Glad to hear you're getting such good performance but I have to admit I'm getting that  sort of latency with SPE 8.5.1 x64 on VISTA Ultimate x64 SP2 with an i7 920 (not OverClocked)  Giga x58 MOBO with 12 GIG G-SKILL DDR 3 RAM.

I think Im going to up the onboard cooling device (using stock intel cooler) and start experimenting with overclocking as so many seem to be having success with my combination of components.

What sort of speeds do you reckon I'd get to? Any primers on doing the OC as I've never got into it before?

Overclocking the i7 is insanely easy. I just googled my motherboard for overclocking and followed the instructions. On my system, I tested 3.3 or 3.4 GHz (ran memtest, prime, etc. for hours) and it was totally fine with reasonable temps. I think I could get 3.6 or 3.7 if I wanted, and still be stable, but I did not try it. There are many people that hit 3.8 or 4 without a problem with these or similar parts. For a DAW, however, I just wanted 3.0 GHz since it was such a nice, round number. :) The temps with this cooler are literally no different than at stock, and it has been extremely stable. I've run memtest and prime on this machine for quite a while to be 100% certain all was well.