MC5 total noob. playback volume level

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2009/11/20 21:08:27 (permalink)

MC5 total noob. playback volume level

Just got MC5, having problems with volume for playback. It seems to record my tests in the mic but playing it back I can just barely hear it. If I crank the track volume to 127 it seems to make it somewhat more audible but theres so much ambient noise from that. Also windows system sounds are signifigantly higher than the playback from my tests (yes the windows volume is up). When I start MC5, I get two messages that might be of signifigance. The first one says:
 
You have not selected any midi outputs. This means you may not hear midi tracks playback.
 
Then it gives me some options for selecting midi outputs. Theres one under the head friendly name that says Microsoft GS wavetable synth. Its device name is the same. I don't know if this has anything to do with anything. After that I get this message:
 
The following plug-ins are referred to by this project, but could not be found. They may be missing or improperly installed on your system. Some more text... and the device it lists is:
 
AmplitubeXGEAR (track:guitar)
 
Gut instinct is telling me this doesnt have anything to do with it.
 
Now heres the kicker. When I first got it and installed in and plugged the mic in, armed a track, hit record and did some tests it sounded fine. Took a break, ate lunch, went back to start recording and it starts doing this. So I don't know whats going on. Dont think its the cords or the adapter, but it may possibly be the mic. Its a sure sm57
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    jake123
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    Re:MC5 total noob. playback volume level 2009/11/20 21:11:18 (permalink)
    Oh and my soundcard is SigmaTel, and I'm using a Dell laptop.
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    Re:MC5 total noob. playback volume level 2009/11/20 21:21:34 (permalink)
    Hi Jake,

    I'm no pro hear, but I can hopefully get you started on some of it.

    If it is a midi track that you are trying to listen to, you must insert a soft synth.  Form the Insert>Soft Synth> then probably TTS-1 or you can likely use Sound Center (I don't have MC 5; only which doesn't have the sound centre.

    What do you have selected for inputs and outputs?

    What drivers are you using?  Since you are using the on board sound card, you would most likely have to use MME or WDM.  You may have some trouble with latency.

    If you are recording audio, the sound card will be your input.  Your output should go to a master bus.  The master bus then will be sent to your speakers (I think...mine is my audio interface, so it could be your sound card).

    Hope this doesn't confuse, more than help.

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    Re:MC5 total noob. playback volume level 2009/11/20 22:08:31 (permalink)
    Ok, I went to insert a soft synth and tried both TTS-1, and sound center. After I select it I get a window with several boxes and options. Do I need to check any of them or just click ok? For input I have selected just stereo microphone / Line in SigmaTel, and then I have my mic just plugged right into the mic input on my laptop. The output is Master. I'm not sure about my drivers, how can I find that out?
     
    I'm thinking the issue has something to do with the input, beacuse when I use the Input Echo: On button, I can just barely barely hear my voice in the mic. Also after I record those sound waves on the track you can just see tiny little blips where I'm saying 'test', 'test'. I've checked all the volume levels. I might be missing something. I think maybe its the mic. It worked fine when I first tried it, literally nothing has changed, the cords and the adapters are brand new the mic however is pretty old.  
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    Re:MC5 total noob. playback volume level 2009/11/20 22:13:56 (permalink)
    Ah, I think I've isolated the issue. I plugged the mic into a guitar amp and got no response. Cranked the volume and still didn't really get anything out of it. Bad mic it looks like.
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    Re:MC5 total noob. playback volume level 2009/11/20 22:24:21 (permalink)
    A bad mic is certainly a problem, but audio track volume levels don't go to 127. Only MIDI track volumes go to 127.
    I think you recorded on a MIDI track by mistake.
    Audio tracks have a (usually) horizontal level meter with increments from, oh, -48 dB to +6 dB. MIDI tracks have no level meters, just a volume slider which can move from 0-127. So try recording again on an audio track.
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    Re:MC5 total noob. playback volume level 2009/11/20 22:43:07 (permalink)
    Tried to record on a audio track with no avail. Before I was just using the vocals track, the first track when you start a new project. Definatly think its probably the mic.
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    Re:MC5 total noob. playback volume level 2009/11/20 23:00:04 (permalink)
    Actually I dont think its the mic. I got it working with the guitar amp. I tried different drivers. Its under MME right now and all the tests check out ok. When I tried WDM/KS, it looked like it might work. I saw the sound levels jumping when I tapped on the mic but when I tried to record it wasn't working. The sound waves looked like they jumped some when I was recording with WDM/KS, but still no playback. Tried cranking the volume for the audio track all the way up to. Could it be a bad adapter? I'm wondering because its not recognizing it right away under the input when I open up the track. I have to manually select stereo microphone / SigmaTel Line In under the input. Any other things it could possibly be???
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    Re:MC5 total noob. playback volume level 2009/11/20 23:09:07 (permalink)
    using MME driver mode for the onboard soundcard is fine.  if that works, use it.

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    Re:MC5 total noob. playback volume level 2009/11/20 23:27:18 (permalink)
    Gotta be the adapter then or something. Any other ideas anyone?
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    Re:MC5 total noob. playback volume level 2009/11/20 23:46:23 (permalink)
    Can you give us some info on your computer? RAM, speed, operating system, whether it's a 32-bit OS or 64-bit OS is important, too.
    Under the 'Options>Audio' menu at the top of the MC screen, what do you have listed for input and output drivers? What are your Recording and Playback Timing Masters?
    In the track, do you have an output selected?
    Try this: Open MC and from the Template menu, select Blank, No Tracks.
    Then Insert 1 audio track, set your input and output in the track and try to record.

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    Re:MC5 total noob. playback volume level 2009/11/21 00:18:46 (permalink)
    Sure, its a dell inspiron 1525 notebook. It has 3 gig of RAM. Intel core duo CPU T6400 @ 2.00GHz. 32-bit operating system. As for the settings under options and audio, the driver mode is MME (32-bit). The playback device is set to Speakers / Headphones (SigmaTel). The recording device is set to Microphone / Line In (SigmaTel). The mixing latency is set to 300.0msec.
     
    Tried to start a project with no tracks. Added a audio one. Armed it, hit record and still no response.
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    Re:MC5 total noob. playback volume level 2009/11/21 14:44:40 (permalink)
    Thanks.
    It's been awhile since I used the Windows mixer, but double-click the speaker icon in your system tray to bring it up. Make sure that everything is unmuted and the sliders are up.
    Since microphones usually require a preamp to boost the signal enough to be heard, make sure the mic input is selected, and maybe mute/turn off the line input. I'm thinking maybe the preamp isn't on if line in is selected...
     
    "1. You have not selected any midi outputs. This means you may not hear midi tracks playback. 
      2. Then it gives me some options for selecting midi outputs. Theres one under the head friendly name that says Microsoft GS wavetable synth. Its device name is the same.
    3. Ok, I went to insert a soft synth and tried both TTS-1, and sound center. After I select it I get a window with several boxes and options. Do I need to check any of them or just click ok?
    4. Could it be a bad adapter?"
     
    1. Once you select the MS GS Wavetable synth as your MIDI device, that message will go away. Or just check the box to not show you that message anymore. 2. But the MS GS Wavetable synth is possibly the worst-sounding synth there is. That's the synth chip embedded in your sound card, and is used to play the computer's sounds. Use software synths if you can. They sound much better.
    3. The default options should be good enough. The other choices can be experimented with after you get more familiar with soft synths.
    4. What adapter?

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    Re:MC5 total noob. playback volume level 2009/11/22 03:17:09 (permalink)
    Ok, all the volume is up in the windows sounds. As for making sure the mic input is selected for the track's input, it only gives options for
     
    left microphone / line in
    right microphone / line in
    stereo microphone / line in
     
    those are the only 3 options it gives me, and the volume is up for them. I've even tried cranking it.
     
    As for the softsynths I try to insert those and it sets the input as :
     
    Input = Cakewalk TTS-1 1 Output 1: Stereo
     
    As for the adapter, I'm talking about the adapter I use to be able to plug my mic, which has a insturment cable type end on it into my computer. It may be mentioned the one I bought was stereo to stereo. Got it from radioshack. It seems to be sorta loose, not really a real snug tight fit, but it is in there.
     
    I just have no clue what else to try. Its getting frustrating
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    Re:MC5 total noob. playback volume level 2009/11/22 10:13:17 (permalink)
    Try increasing the Volume for the track from outside the program.

    Start -> Programs -> Accessories ->Entertainment->Volume Control.

    1. Make sure your Mic is connected to the Mic input, Not line.
    2. Make sure mick is selected for  Recording.
    3. Check the Recording Volume level for the Microphone.
    4. Check the Master Volume Level
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    Re:MC5 total noob. playback volume level 2009/11/22 14:07:41 (permalink)
    Jake.... I also use a basically stock Dell laptop. I have never been able to get the factory card to work with this computer in MC.....

    Not that I really want it to.

    I bought and use an external sound interface specifically for recording and playback.  I would recommend that you do the same if you plan to have this as a hobby or more....   The interface works with USB or Firewire and gets the music & data in and out of the computer and just plain makes life easier for you. The factory cards are a continual source of frustration for those who are convinced that they should be able to use the factory card for recording.

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