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Sonar 7 Switches Korg TR88 to Local Off at Startup
Although this is a rather minor inconvenience it can be annoying. I have my Korg TR88 plugged into the PC via USB (it is also present via MIDI connection on my MOTU Midi Timepiece which is also USB into the PC). When I start up Sonar 7 PE the local on/off of the TR88 is switched to off. That's not always a bad thing but often times I want to be able to hear the TR88 and I have to go into the keyboards menus and turn it back on. After that it will stay Local On.
I'm blaming Sonar as the cause because I also plug these same units into a MacBook Pro and run Digital Performer without this happening. Anyone know where there is some sort of start up setting that causes this?
It does not happen to my Roland XP-30 but of course it's only connection to the computer is midi via the MTP interface.
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Re:Sonar 7 Switches Korg TR88 to Local Off at Startup
2009/12/22 19:30:23
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It's a command in one of the initialization files. I forget the name but it's in the manual - probably in an appendix.
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Re:Sonar 7 Switches Korg TR88 to Local Off at Startup
2009/12/22 20:48:26
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Damn I have this problem too with my Triton, I know it's in the aud.ini file and can't remember where. Otherwise it's very easy to turn this function off.
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Re:Sonar 7 Switches Korg TR88 to Local Off at Startup
2009/12/22 21:16:13
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Hmm.....I don't appear to have an aud.ini file. The .ini files I'm finding that obviously pertain to Sonar seem to be about various plug-ins.
post edited by gregmein - 2009/12/22 21:18:16
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Re:Sonar 7 Switches Korg TR88 to Local Off at Startup
2009/12/22 21:20:45
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try
TTSSEQ.INI
[Options] section
Send[Off=n non-zero to set synths to [ Off at startup, dflt=1
Send[On=n non-zero to set synths to [ On at exit, dflt=0
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Re:Sonar 7 Switches Korg TR88 to Local Off at Startup
2009/12/22 21:32:49
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I pasted that from the post that help me solve the problem in the past. Funny thing is now I can't find that ini file. Must have been on my previous system. Sorry, I'll let you know if I figure it out.
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Re:Sonar 7 Switches Korg TR88 to Local Off at Startup
2009/12/22 21:41:28
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This is really strange. Search wouldn't work so I went to the cakewalk directory with win explorer where I found several .ini files (including the ones mentioned so far in this thread) but cannot seem to find that option in any of them.
post edited by gregmein - 2009/12/22 23:09:19
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Re:Sonar 7 Switches Korg TR88 to Local Off at Startup
2009/12/22 23:50:59
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Back when I did it I think I had to add the line. I'm pretty sure it was the ttseq.ini file and I added it under the options section.
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Re:Sonar 7 Switches Korg TR88 to Local Off at Startup
2009/12/23 04:09:43
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My Korg Triton does exactly the same.
I just go into a few menus on the Triton to change it back.
It's annoying, but I've just got used to doing it.
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Re:Sonar 7 Switches Korg TR88 to Local Off at Startup
2009/12/23 13:33:16
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That's a function of Korg keyboards in general, and nothing to do with Sonar. Both my TR88 and M50 73 do the same thing. Anytime the boards see any information on the midi in, they turn off local mode. That would be another keyboard, my Tech21 Midi Mouse; any midi data whatsoever.
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Re:Sonar 7 Switches Korg TR88 to Local Off at Startup
2009/12/23 13:49:08
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Progmatist
That's a function of Korg keyboards in general, and nothing to do with Sonar. Both my TR88 and M50 73 do the same thing. Anytime the boards see any information on the midi in, they turn off local mode. That would be another keyboard, my Tech21 Midi Mouse; any midi data whatsoever.
I know Korgs have a couple quirks that others don't have but it's pretty certain that this is being caused by Sonar. It happens while Sonar is still loading, doesn't happen on Mac with Digital Performer or Logic Express and then last night I installed Cubase LE on the same PC computer with Sonar just to check for this problem and it doesn't occur with that program either. I think Bobr is probably correct but I went ahead and sent a message to tech support with the idea being that they can officially put this dog to rest and because that's what they're there for.
post edited by gregmein - 2009/12/23 13:57:36
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Re:Sonar 7 Switches Korg TR88 to Local Off at Startup
2009/12/23 14:06:36
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Are you testing with the Mac or Cubase before or after the FIRST time local mode is switched off? Even if it doesn't happen when starting Digital Performer, Logic, or Cubase, does it happen the first time you press play and send information to the keyboard? After exploring this, you may arrive at a different conclusion.
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Re:Sonar 7 Switches Korg TR88 to Local Off at Startup
2009/12/23 18:13:40
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bobr
try
TTSSEQ.INI
[Options] section
Send[Off=n non-zero to set synths to [ Off at startup, dflt=1
Send[On=n non-zero to set synths to [ On at exit, dflt=0
I was hoping that would work but it didn't, even when I tried flipping the end bits around. It's become a real quest for me now! I disconnected the USB cable but it still shut off via the midi connection. I tried unchecking Ctrl Change in the TR's midi menu, didn't help. I changed the TR's midi channel to 5 and still it shut off. There's something to what Progmatist is saying because the Local does not switch off on my Roland XP-30 connected through the same midi interface and set at channel 2. With the TR in Global 2.1:MIDI menu I can literally watch the check mark go off on the Local Control On selection as Sonar loads up and before a file is even loaded into the program. It doesn't happen though in Cubase LE........ever. I'm extremely certain that it doesn't happen in Digital Performer because I spent months creating a project in that program that I used in live performances.
post edited by gregmein - 2009/12/23 18:35:08
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Re:Sonar 7 Switches Korg TR88 to Local Off at Startup
2009/12/23 18:22:17
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With a project loaded try:
Menu -> Options -> Project... -> MIDI out -> UNtick: "Zero controllers when play stops"
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Re:Sonar 7 Switches Korg TR88 to Local Off at Startup
2009/12/23 23:18:20
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There is an interesting discussion of local control off in the manual. Bottom line if you don't want local control off, add a line: SendLocalOff=1 to your ttsseq.ini file (which you must find in the version-appropriate folder). They seem to have the bases covered. Here's a portion of that manual section: You should normally disable the Local Control setting on your master keyboard to prevent notes from being doubled when you play your keyboard. If you disable Local Control, your keyboard sends notes that you play to SONAR, which echoes them to the synthesizer, which plays them only once.
When SONAR starts, you can have it send a special MIDI message that attempts to disable Local Control automatically. Most modern synthesizers respond to this message. If yours does not, you will need to disable Local Control every time you turn it on for use with SONAR.
If your synthesizer does not let you disable Local Control (this is rare), you can use the Local On Port setting in the Input tab of the Project Options dialog box to indicate the number of the output port connected to your synthesizer. SONAR will then refrain from sending MIDI echo data to that port. In this configuration, you may need to turn your synthesizer’s volume control up and down from time to time to avoid hearing it play along with your other modules. If this situation doesn’t apply to you, the Local On Port should be set to 0.
Bill B.
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Re:Sonar 7 Switches Korg TR88 to Local Off at Startup
2009/12/24 00:40:17
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If it's of any help, my TTSSEQ file resides in the following location (Vista 64 Home): C:\Users\MyName\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk\SONAR 8.5 Producer I think I had to set my folder options to "display hidden folders" in order to even see AppData... I was having the same Local Off problem a while back with both my Yamaha arranger keyboard and my Triton LE, and stumbled on an instruction somewhere that said to add the line "SendLocalOff=0" to Sonar's TTSSEQ configuration file's text. The instruction didn't say *where* to put the line - at the beginning or at the end... So I first tried putting it at the end, which didn't work. So I then put it at/toward the beginning, which did work and continues to work. Here's the exact text in my current edited TTSSEQ file: [Options] PumpDataMsec=500 SendLocalOff=0 [MIDI Input Devices] 0=UA-25EX 1=USB Axiom 25 MaxInPort=1 [MIDI Output Devices] 0=UA-25EX MaxOutPort=0 [MIDI Echo Devices] MaxEchoPort=-1 I think Bobr is right - as long as you put it somewhere up there just under [Options], it'll work, whether or not you have any "PumpDataMsec" line like I've got. No idea what that even is... BTW, before I did anything, I believe I made a copy of the original file and called it "TTSSEQ Original" (or something), so I could revert to it if I screwed something up... - Bob
post edited by huffy - 2009/12/24 00:45:46
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Re:Sonar 7 Switches Korg TR88 to Local Off at Startup
2009/12/24 13:07:59
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huffy
If it's of any help, my TTSSEQ file resides in the following location (Vista 64 Home):
C:\Users\MyName\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk\SONAR 8.5 Producer
I think I had to set my folder options to "display hidden folders" in order to even see AppData...
I was having the same Local Off problem a while back with both my Yamaha arranger keyboard and my Triton LE, and stumbled on an instruction somewhere that said to add the line "SendLocalOff=0" to Sonar's TTSSEQ configuration file's text. The instruction didn't say *where* to put the line - at the beginning or at the end... So I first tried putting it at the end, which didn't work. So I then put it at/toward the beginning, which did work and continues to work. Here's the exact text in my current edited TTSSEQ file:
[Options]
PumpDataMsec=500
SendLocalOff=0
[MIDI Input Devices]
0=UA-25EX
1=USB Axiom 25
MaxInPort=1
[MIDI Output Devices]
0=UA-25EX
MaxOutPort=0
[MIDI Echo Devices]
MaxEchoPort=-1
I think Bobr is right - as long as you put it somewhere up there just under [Options], it'll work, whether or not you have any "PumpDataMsec" line like I've got. No idea what that even is...
BTW, before I did anything, I believe I made a copy of the original file and called it "TTSSEQ Original" (or something), so I could revert to it if I screwed something up...
- Bob
This did the trick. Oddly there was no line in reference to local on/off there but now my file looks like this: [Options] PumpDataMsec=500 SendLocalOff=0 UseAlias=1 [MIDI Input Devices] 0=TR 1 KEYBOARD 1=Hercules 16/12 FW MIDI 1 2=Hercules 16/12 FW MIDI 2 3=Port 1 on MTPAV 4=Port 2 on MTPAV 5=Port 3 on MTPAV 6=Port 7 on MTPAV MaxInPort=6 [MIDI Output Devices] 0=Port 1 on MTPAV 1=Port 2 on MTPAV 2=Port 3 on MTPAV 3=Port 4 on MTPAV 4=Port 7 on MTPAV 5=Hercules 16/12 FW MIDI 1 6=Hercules 16/12 FW MIDI 2 7=Port 10 on MTPAV 8=Port 9 on MTPAV MaxOutPort=8 [MIDI Echo Devices] MaxEchoPort=-1 To get to the actual TTSSEQ.INI file there was a shortcut in this directory (C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\SONAR 7 Producer Edition) that took me to this directory (C:\Documents and Settings\Greg Mein\Application Data\Cakewalk\SONAR 7 Producer Edition). A big holiday Thank You to everyone that helped me resolve this!
post edited by gregmein - 2009/12/24 13:13:29
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Re:Sonar 7 Switches Korg TR88 to Local Off at Startup
2009/12/31 18:00:18
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Just for a final affirmation of the solution here is the response from Cakewalk tech support:
Hello Greg,
Thank you for contacting Cakewalk Technical Support. We apologize for
the long delay due to the holidays. The Keyboard should be in Local
Off to function in SONAR properly. You want to control bank and patch
changes from the MIDI tracks inside SONAR. Having 'Local On' may cause
a delay or other problems when working with MIDI.
If you want to change this, go to Start | Search and find the file
TTSSEQ.INI. Open the file in Notepad and add or edit the following
lines under the [Options] section.
SendLocalOn=1
or
SendLocalOff=0
Best Regards,
Steve Cox
Technical Support
Cakewalk, Inc
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