ATTEN: Cakewalk - Can the serial # of Sonar 8.5 Producer be transfered to another person -

This has been covered here many many times.

NO!

When you install SONAR you have to agree that you can't sell or transfer it in any way.

If you don't agree and accept, SONAR won't install.

I'm pretty sure that the answer actually is that you can give it to someone else, but they cannot register it in their name, thus they get no support, nor any upgrade capabilities.  I'm pretty sure someone from Cakewalk recently stated this in another thread.

PH68


As long as the other person gets the serial number and the registration number they can use Sonar XX quite happily.
If you have downloaded any updates, copy them onto a disk and the new owner can then install and use these as well (again as long as you give them the relevant serial/registration numbers)

The only thing they can't get acces to is any future software updates, or upgrade offers.
Just make this clear in the sale info.


So, yes you could sell any version of Sonar (they do come up, and do sell, on eBay), as long as you don't tell Cakewalk themselves!
Personally, I'd have no issue selling on my current version should I ever decide to upgrade.

In what other ways do you recommend someone breaks the law? Are you an advocate of reckless driving? Do you think that carrying a knife is OK as long as it's in self defence? Is stealing from a large chain store OK because they make big profits?

So now you've told Cakewalk your point of view I wonder whether you'll still be eligible for any upgrades?

PH68


As long as the other person gets the serial number and the registration number they can use Sonar XX quite happily.
If you have downloaded any updates, copy them onto a disk and the new owner can then install and use these as well (again as long as you give them the relevant serial/registration numbers)

The only thing they can't get acces to is any future software updates, or upgrade offers.
Just make this clear in the sale info.


So, yes you could sell any version of Sonar (they do come up, and do sell, on eBay), as long as you don't tell Cakewalk themselves!
Personally, I'd have no issue selling on my current version should I ever decide to upgrade.

With your kind of logic then Cakewalk should charge the full price for each software update.  That is the only way to justify the fact that you can sell your old version. 
Like, if I sell my old guitar should I be able to get a new one at a discounted price since I owned one before?

Do you think that carrying a knife is OK as long as it's in self defence?

Is that illegal where you live?

I am not an intellectual property lawyer:

btw "breaking the law" usually means contravention of criminal code. If you were to copy software illegally it would violate US copyright code, subjecting you to criminal penalties. There is some considerable uncertainty about whether protection of the software via a license that clearly usurps the doctrine of first sale (which is codified in the current copyright law and is effectively the right of the original purchaser of a copyrighted work to sell his copy of that work) would in any manner violate criminal law. It would violate the license terms, but that is a civil issue. At any rate, to encourage Cakewalk to continue their fair and valuable avoidance of copy protection schemes we should all try to play fair with their unconscionable license.

Do you think that carrying a knife is OK as long as it's in self defence?

Is that illegal where you live?

Gee, I hope not. I've carried one for over twenty years. Kind of a silly example don't you think. Yes you can sell your copy of Sonar 8.5 but Cakewalk doesn't have to honor it. The license is not transferable.

PH68


As long as the other person gets the serial number and the registration number they can use Sonar XX quite happily.
If you have downloaded any updates, copy them onto a disk and the new owner can then install and use these as well (again as long as you give them the relevant serial/registration numbers)

The only thing they can't get acces to is any future software updates, or upgrade offers.
Just make this clear in the sale info.


So, yes you could sell any version of Sonar (they do come up, and do sell, on eBay), as long as you don't tell Cakewalk themselves!
Personally, I'd have no issue selling on my current version should I ever decide to upgrade.

wow! You are certainly a moron! Theif comes to mind. I do hope CW see's this and gives you the boot! You do not belong on this forum pal!

If you are looking for a loophole for installing it prior to your first installation, ask somewhere else for your own good and not to endager those who wish to help but couldn't spill a word because it isn't legally correct . If you are just asking yes or no, then i think the guys have answered your question.

slartabartfast

Do you think that carrying a knife is OK as long as it's in self defence?

Is that illegal where you live?

Yes, here in the UK it is. And here is the Government's set of rules.

Basic rules on knives

If you’re planning to buy or carry a knife, it’s important to know the rules. Anyone found breaking these laws can face up to four years in prison.
These include:

• it is illegal for any shop to sell a knife of any kind (including cutlery and kitchen knives) to anyone under the age of 18
• it is a crime to carry a knife in public without good reason – for example, if you work as a chef
• the maximum penalty for an adult carrying a knife is four years in prison and a fine of £5000
• it is illegal to carry, buy or sell any type of knife banned by the government (the list of banned knives is below)
• knives with folding blades, like Swiss Army knives, are not illegal as long as the blade is three inches long (7.62 cms) or less
• if any knife is used in a threatening way (even a legal knife, such as a Swiss Army knife), it is regarded as an 'offensive weapon' by the law
• any sharp instrument – even a screwdriver – can be viewed by the police as an illegal offensive weapon if you do not have a good reason for carrying it

Illegal knives

There is a complete ban on the sale of some knives, which are considered to be offensive weapons.
These include:

• flick knives - knives where the blade is hidden inside the handle and shoots out when a button is pressed; these are also called 'switchblades' or 'automatic knives'
• butterfly knives - where the blade is hidden inside a handle that splits in two around it, like wings; the handles swing around the blade to open or close it
• disguised knives - where the blade is hidden inside something like a belt buckle or fake mobile phone
• gravity knives
• sword-sticks
• samurai swords
• hand-claws
• foot-claws
• belt-buckle knives
• push daggers
• kubotan (cylindrical container, holding spikes)
• shuriken (also known as 'death stars' or 'throwing stars')
• kusari-gama (sickle attached to a rope, cord or wire)
• kyoketsu-shoge (hook-knife attached to a rope, cord or wire)
• kusari (weight attached to a rope, cord or wire)

I think if you buy some software, and you end up not happy with it, since you cant return it, you should be able to transfer it to somebody else that might like it.

That being said, that is not the case with sonar.

ivanSC


And of course the sort of attitude displayed by cake`s terms of Use is a large part of why there IS piracy.

Wrong...

Cakewalk has taken a few precautions because of piracy- not the other way around. As long as their are attitudes around like what was shown by a couple people on this thread, IMO, Cakewalk is to be admired for not getting tighter...

legal or not i`m holding on to my knife. however, all my software is legit.

I'll at least try to stay on topic.

This is what I have just read. 

4. Ownership:
The foregoing license gives you limited rights to use the Cakewalk Product. You do not become the
owner of, and Cakewalk and its suppliers retain title to, the Cakewalk Product.

The term Cakewalk product is defined as the software so what is being granted is the right to use the software. I don't see where it says that that right is not transferable? I see that ownership of the product is retained but not the right to use it. I see that the right to use it is apparently limited but I don't see where it says exactly what those limitations are.

I just found this interesting. I have no problem with it either way.

Look.
If I was to upgrade my current version (Sonar 7) to Sonar 8.5
I would then no longer have any use for Sonar 7.
I would completely uninstall Sonar 7 from my computer.


Rather than it cluttering up my drawer, why not sell it on and let someone else make use of it.
It might actually encourage someone new into Sonar.
Cakewalk could oh-so-easliy let any user de-register a product, and then the new user re-register it.
So if you have Sonar 8 installed, do any of you actually use Sonar 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6?
If not why not let someone else make use of them?
If the actual money is an issue, you could even give them away to a charity shop. Or is that illegal for some of you too?



If I buy a new car, my old one does not clutter up the driveway... it gets sold on so someone else can make use of it. I don't give any money from the sale to the car manufacturer, or am I banned from ever buying their products again.
If I buy a new laptop, my old one does not clutter up the study... it gets sold on so someone else can make use of it. I don't give any money from the sale to the laptop manufacturer, or am I banned from ever buying their products again.
And so on.


Someone mentioned music.
So how many of you out their have ever bought 2nd hand albums/CD's/DVD's.?
When you did, I assume you didn't give any money to the artist/composer etc.
Or do you all give money to the manufacturer/artist/publisher/ everytime you buy something from the likes of eBay.



I am not about to copy any of my software and sell it on.

What I would like to do though is be able to sell on (give away?) any software I have uninstalled and no longer use.
This is an age of recycling you know.