AMD Phenom II 6 core

Hey Scott or anyone.  Any info on the new AMD Phenom II 6 core?  Anyone tried it?  I'm going to be building two new DAWS and I'd been planning on using the i7 920 quad core.

Newegg has this new AMD in stock. 

http://www.newegg.com/Pro...esktops-_-19103849-L0A

Thanks.

Paul

See my earlier thread, mate.

...and dont hold your breath, sadly.

Paul G


Hey Scott or anyone.  Any info on the new AMD Phenom II 6 core?  Anyone tried it?  I'm going to be building two new DAWS and I'd been planning on using the i7 920 quad core.

Newegg has this new AMD in stock. 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103849&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL042710&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL042710-_-EMC-042710-Index-_-ProcessorsDesktops-_-19103849-L0A

Thanks.

Paul

 
would not touch it with a 10' pole the 930 will kill it at every turn....

Iv glanced at a few articles on them the past couple of days. Seems to be that they are not far off the performance of the i7.
Super compatible too. AM3, DDR2 and 3. But if you are building new, then that doesnt really matter.

jcschild
 
would not touch it with a 10' pole the 930 will kill it at every turn....

Thanks Scott.  I was wondering about the 930 but it's fairly new as well.  Are you going with that over the 920?

Thanks Scott. I was wondering about the 930 but it's fairly new as well. Are you going with that over the 920?

 
Gotta love that first review...  
"I don't have it quite yet, but it's awesome... nothing can touch it."
 
The 930 is the replacement for the 920

Thanks guys.

benchmarks are showing that when compared to quad core i7 processors, the phenom II x6 1090T only comes out on top when running a high thread benchmark test.  for general use where only a few cores are used, the i7 chips come out on top.  Being that cakewalk keeps saying how the 6-core i7 processors work great with Sonar and that Sonar 8.5 will take advantage of all processors thrown at it, this leads me to conclude that the $300 amd 6-core will only be surpassed by the $1000 intel 6-core chip in Sonar performance.

http://www.hardwarecanuck...ocessors-review-9.html

jcschild

Paul G


Hey Scott or anyone.  Any info on the new AMD Phenom II 6 core?  Anyone tried it?  I'm going to be building two new DAWS and I'd been planning on using the i7 920 quad core.

Newegg has this new AMD in stock. 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103849&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL042710&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL042710-_-EMC-042710-Index-_-ProcessorsDesktops-_-19103849-L0A

Thanks.

Paul

 
would not touch it with a 10' pole the 930 will kill it at every turn....

then you havent seen any benchmarks that utilize all 6 cores (like sonar supposedly does). the phenom x6 1090t comes out on top of everything except the $1k i7 hex core. for the most part, even in other benchmarks that dont take advantage of all 6 cores, the 930 is typically "slightly" better than the AMD.  i'm sure sonar 8.5 on this new AMD chip will outperform any current intel chip with the exception of the 6-core i7

So when can I buy in the UK the famous $199 6 core model they bragged on initially?

Slowly thinking about sucking in a big deep breath, now....

As a general rule, I stay away from AMD and ATI. They're not worth the hassle. I can't wait to get rid of my ATI. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!   

MegaGoo

jcschild

Paul G


Hey Scott or anyone.  Any info on the new AMD Phenom II 6 core?  Anyone tried it?  I'm going to be building two new DAWS and I'd been planning on using the i7 920 quad core.

Newegg has this new AMD in stock. 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103849&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL042710&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL042710-_-EMC-042710-Index-_-ProcessorsDesktops-_-19103849-L0A

Thanks.

Paul

 
would not touch it with a 10' pole the 930 will kill it at every turn....

then you havent seen any benchmarks that utilize all 6 cores (like sonar supposedly does). the phenom x6 1090t comes out on top of everything except the $1k i7 hex core. for the most part, even in other benchmarks that dont take advantage of all 6 cores, the 930 is typically "slightly" better than the AMD.  i'm sure sonar 8.5 on this new AMD chip will outperform any current intel chip with the exception of the 6-core i7

uhh yeah right.. that AMD wont outperform anything intel excpet the lower i3/i5 with onboard graphics (not the 750)
 
well considering the Intel i5 750 is nearly 2 times as fast as the AMD 965
and at the same price point... never mind less than the AMD 6 core.

while adding 2 more cores will NOT give a 50% increase in performance lets just say it does.

the 965 (3.4GHz) does 57 RXC @ 32 buffer
the 955 (3.2) would do aprox. 5% less or 54
add 50% to that makes it 81.
vs the 104 the i5 750 can do....

6 cores and still cant come close
so again why bother?

uhh yeah right.. that AMD wont outperform anything intel excpet the lower i3/i5 with onboard graphics (not the 750)

what are you basing this off of? did you compare the phenom x6 processors with other ones? i doubt it. here is what i am basing my statement off of:




and this:

Again, we can only repeat that these new Thuban chips will absolutely appeal to those who take their multi-threading performance serious, those who don't have an unlimited budget, or those who do not want to upgrade their whole system. If either of those three categories applies to you, then you can't go wrong with Phenom II X6. Now having said that, if you are building a general purpose system from scratch then a Core i5-750 / Core i7-860 / Xeon X3440 processor combined with a dirt-cheap H55-based motherboard might be your best choice since it will have lower power consumption and more even performance across the board.

Nevertheless, we highly recommend that those who plan to run heavily threaded workloads take a solid look at AMD's new Thuban-based processors.

my point is that we're discussing processors on a forum dedicated to a specific piece of software which has a big selling point of being able to harness the power of multi core systems, and specifically 6-core systems (as in the i7 6 core), and pointing out that the AMD will be the better processor for such software based off of benchmarks, and the intels will be the better processor for "general use".

if you are going to dispute the concrete evidence of this fact, i have nothing more to add

 
well considering the Intel i5 750 is nearly 2 times as fast as the AMD 965
and at the same price point... never mind less than the AMD 6 core.

why are you bringing up an amd 965? this has nothing to do with the discussion of a phenom x6 vs intel i5/i7. but the benchmarks shown here dont support your argument: http://www.hardwarecanuck...ocessors-review-9.html ... the i5 750 is just ahead of the amd x4 945 in one test, and the other has the 945 beating out the i5 750. i assume the 965 would clearly stomp them both. this is why i do not get your statement that the i5 750 is twice as fast as the amd 965

while adding 2 more cores will NOT give a 50% increase in performance lets just say it does.

the 965 (3.4GHz) does 57 RXC @ 32 buffer
the 955 (3.2) would do aprox. 5% less or 54
add 50% to that makes it 81.
vs the 104 the i5 750 can do....

6 cores and still cant come close
so again why bother?

I have no idea what RXC is (can you shed some light for me?). all i can say is what i see: a benchmark that stresses all of the processor's cores (as sonar would do) shows that the amd phenom x6 1090T is outperformed only by the intel i7 980x. if there is some special factor that needs to be taken into consideration when discussing DAWs, i'd be interested to learn more

nevermind on the RXC. found some good stuff on google.
for the record, someone benched the 1090T and the #s are as good as i expected. would like to see the benchmarks done in sonar 8.5 though

http://www.gearslutz.com/...truth-should-love.html

[<font]Hate to say it, but the various threads so far indicate that these chips do not do well with audio - just because they may be great in one spec area does not mean they would be a good DAW choice.

Doubtlessly more info will be forthcoming though.

There again, I am looking at the possible purchase of a 1055 from the perspective of someone who is currently using 2 machines, both with fairly elderly AMD dual cores. One in an AM2 board an one in a 939!!!

Since I am going to be replacing everything, the overall acquisition cost of n AMD based rig is way under that of the Intel equivalent.
The performance gains according to all the benchmarks I have seen are such an improvement over what I already have, I can`t see lack of processor power being an issue for a while.

We don`t all run 60 tracks of audio and a zillion plugs.

noldar12


[<font]Hate to say it, but the various threads so far indicate that these chips do not do well with audio - just because they may be great in one spec area does not mean they would be a good DAW choice.

Doubtlessly more info will be forthcoming though.
 
Linky Winky please

""why are you bringing up an amd 965? this has nothing to do with the discussion of a phenom x6 vs intel i5/i7. but the benchmarks shown here dont support your argument: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/31407-amd-phenom-ii-x6-1055t-1090t-six-core-processors-review-9.html ... the i5 750 is just ahead of the amd x4 945 in one test, and the other has the 945 beating out the i5 750. i assume the 965 would clearly stomp them both. this is why i do not get your statement that the i5 750 is twice as fast as the amd 965 """

sheesh...

the 6 core is the 965 with 2 more cores added..

RXC? an effects used for benchmarking audio
http://www.adkproaudio.com/benchmarks.cfm

2nd test down
note the 965 does 57 RXC the 750 does 104. thats nearly 2 times better

i see you found my comments on GS
while adding 2 more cores will NOT give a 50% increase in performance lets just say it does.

the 965 (3.4GHz) does 57 RXC @ 32 buffer
the 955 (3.2) would do aprox. 5% less or 54
add 50% to that makes it 81.
vs the 104 the i5 750 can do....

6 cores and still cant come close
so again why bother?

and then the guy who presented benchmarks (peter Kaine from Scan uk) (since i was not going to waste my time with it)
came up with 80 RXC as i had projected.

so again 80 vs 104? and the 750 is less money to build!
a no brainer unless you have an exisiting AM3 board.

add to that the memory bandwidth is better on the intel (think sampling)

MegaDoo,

You and the OP have received opinions and analysis from two well-respected DAW builders...Do you really think you should ignore their advice?

papa2005


MegaDoo,

You and the OP have received opinions and analysis from two well-respected DAW builders...Do you really think you should ignore their advice?

Hey....who said that I was ignoring their advice? 

I've been leaning toward the 920 since I first started researching for these new DAWs months ago.  The new AMD comes out, so I was just wanting opinions.  It's looking like I'll go with the 930.  Thanks everyone for the input.

Paul

Paul,

I didn't mean to imply that YOU were ignoring the advice...If you'll read my post again you'll see it was sent to MegaDoo, not you (I simply included the fact that YOUR question was answered)...

papa2005


Paul,

I didn't mean to imply that YOU were ignoring the advice...If you'll read my post again you'll see it was sent to MegaDoo, not you (I simply included the fact that YOUR question was answered)...

Hi Papa.  Yeah, I know.  I was trying to be funny and apparently it didn't work.  I have great respect for Scott and Jim and the other computer wizards here and really appreciate their input.  Once I finish getting the componants list together, I'll post it here so you guys can pick it apart.  LOL

Paul

Jeeze, I think this is my longest thread to date!  OK, so I got ignored once the fighting started but hey! I'll take it. 

megadoo.  thats a good one, how long did it take to come up with?

when i posted, there was no evidence posted or benchmarks.  only speculation. i, like yhe original poster, am not concerned with any particular chip for my system build.  rather just presenting information.  the benchmark on the other site was not mentioned here and i didnt see it until last night.  i still would like to see thr benchmark done on a sonar system though, but until then ill be leaning towards a intel

That benchmark has a native SONAR session as well.

The scaling results in SONAR will not be an different to Cubendo or Reaper, if anything SONAR's scaling potential with added core counts is behind the others due to the spiking core issue that is still present.

fug it i bought a 930 system :) was going to do a i7-860 but for $320 more, i get dual SLI cards,a chip thats easier to overclock and more futureproof, and a mobo thats more futureproof. 2gb less ram (6gb triple channel) but the mobo has 3 more ram slots so when prices come down i can bump it up to 12gb if necessary.