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Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
So did the matrix view benefit from any of the skylight features? Did it get any other enhancements or attention? Version 1 was pretty rough.
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 10:19:46
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Version 1 was.....IS terrible.
I thought it was going to be the clincher for me to completely move from Ableton. I currently use Sonar for Audio and small midi stuff only.
I tried, and tried, and then they updated it, then I tried some more, and it's still terrible, and confusing having all your clips in the track view....ugh!
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 14:32:58
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I doubt they did anything to it, honestly.
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 15:02:39
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That would be surprising, since it's such a front-end and new feature. But you may be right, it hasn't been mentioned in the release blurbs at all. And though Cake say it's not a complete list, just their "pre-teaser", in my experience the top-billed items make it to that list.
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 15:29:05
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dmmi
Version 1 was.....IS terrible.
I thought it was going to be the clincher for me to completely move from Ableton. I currently use Sonar for Audio and small midi stuff only.
I tried, and tried, and then they updated it, then I tried some more, and it's still terrible, and confusing having all your clips in the track view....ugh!
I have to disagree. I think the Matrix view is a great addition to the SONAR arsenal. What problems do you have with it compared to Ableton Live? So far most of the complaints that I have seen about it are from people that seem determined to change it from being a 'view' (as it is correctly labelled) into its own self-contained DAW ala a Ableton Live clone. In fact, some people even complained about it not being able to do stuff that even Live can't do eg. per cell pan/volume. I've been able to assemble entire songs completely within the Matrix View much, much faster than I would have been able to do it using the Track view. If you use it within the context of which it was designed, a handy scratchpad that elegantly feeds loops into corresponding tracks within SONAR, its amazingly powerful. If you want it to work exactly like Ableton Live, you're probably better off just sticking with Live and the wonderful world of Rewire. -e.B
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 15:44:52
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Yes it is useful for that......and in efforts to not try to emulate Ableton, my only gripe is mainly that all your clips reside in the track view, so for example if you want to add arpegiator to a loop you can't move the arped result to the matrix, you first have to bounce, then re drag to the matrix......but then you can't change your arp settings without re-bouncing then re-dragging to matrix.....by this tis my inspiration is usually lost. The other problem with all clips in the track view, is complication organization. Lets say you have a rapture track, and have 10 different 4 bar ideas that you want to try out in the matrix view.....well you've just wasted (or cluttered) 40 bars in the track view to accomidate......yes this leaves 40 bars of room for different tracks/ideas, but still is cluttered, now when you want to record your "performance" (again to the track view) you have to start at least bar 40 (yes I know.....marker) but still it's alot of backgound prep just to get things going . And I'm sorry...I know Sonar is a different DAW....but just to correct, you can add "Clip" envelopes to specific ableton clips. If the matrix clips resided IN the matrix that would, IMO, change everything....as well as clean up the track view......hence i think it's a mess... But that doesn't mean that I'm not happy for you that you find it a useful tool Cheers!
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 15:59:36
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Melvin J.
I doubt they did anything to it, honestly.
I'm starting to think so too - as this is the 2nd thread asking about it without any response - and as Wicked points out, there was not even a hint of mention about it in the teaser videos. HOWEVER - they certainly are doing some major work, so it just might be they're holding back the info to continue the ground swell.
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 16:01:38
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dmmi
Yes it is useful for that......and in efforts to not try to emulate Ableton, my only gripe is mainly that all your clips reside in the track view, so for example if you want to add arpegiator to a loop you can't move the arped result to the matrix, you first have to bounce, then re drag to the matrix......but then you can't change your arp settings without re-bouncing then re-dragging to matrix.....by this tis my inspiration is usually lost.
The other problem with all clips in the track view, is complication organization. Lets say you have a rapture track, and have 10 different 4 bar ideas that you want to try out in the matrix view.....well you've just wasted (or cluttered) 40 bars in the track view to accomidate......yes this leaves 40 bars of room for different tracks/ideas, but still is cluttered, now when you want to record your "performance" (again to the track view) you have to start at least bar 40 (yes I know.....marker) but still it's alot of backgound prep just to get things going .
And I'm sorry...I know Sonar is a different DAW....but just to correct, you can add "Clip" envelopes to specific ableton clips.
If the matrix clips resided IN the matrix that would, IMO, change everything....as well as clean up the track view......hence i think it's a mess...
But that doesn't mean that I'm not happy for you that you find it a useful tool
Cheers!
eB and I had a long (respectful) discussion about the Matrix previously -- but I think some of the missing elements such as Volume and Pan (for starters) in the Matrix make it a much less usable 'view'.
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 16:19:11
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eBlue
What problems do you have with it compared to Ableton Live?
uh, like the fact that you can't record into the silly thing? that is HUGE. it's missing basic functions like row select and column select. you can't select multiple cells in any way to operate on them. you can't reorder columns and rows w/ drag and drop. the Home/End/Page Up/Page Down keys don't work for navigation. it's also buggy AS ALL HELL. if you're just using it as a little scratch pad or whatever maybe it's a fun little toy. if you're trying to use it as a serious compositional machine a la ableton - the more you push it, the more bugs manifest, driving you more and more crazy, until you will give up on it using it seriously. believe me, i was one of the people who screamed for this feature for YEARS. i really really really wanted it to work and i've spent a LOT of time with it. it's TOTALLY not ready for prime time. it should not have been released. cakewalk need to roll up their sleeves and put serious work into the matrix to make it a serious tool.
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 16:37:22
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What problems do you have with it compared to Ableton Live?
uh, like the fact that you can't record into the silly thing? that is HUGE. also you say people don't understand that it's a view and want it to be a self-contained daw? you've got that backwards. the matrix has a completely independent transport from sonar's main transport. guess what that means? tempo-based effects NO WORKA! it's missing basic functions like row select and column select. you can't select multiple cells in any way to operate on them. you can't reorder columns and rows w/ drag and drop. the Home/End/Page Up/Page Down keys don't work for navigation. it's also buggy AS ALL HELL. if you're just using it as a little scratch pad or whatever maybe it's a fun little toy. if you're trying to use it as a serious compositional machine a la ableton - the more you push it, the more bugs manifest, driving you more and more crazy, until you will give up on it using it seriously. believe me, i was one of the people who screamed for this feature for YEARS. i really really really wanted it to work and i've spent a LOT of time with it. it's TOTALLY not ready for prime time. it should not have been released. cakewalk need to roll up their sleeves and put serious work into the matrix to make it a serious tool.
+1, and: .....trigger selections (1 bar....um...that's it)......cell record controls......FOLLOW......Clip envelopes.....just to name a few more. Cake's definately geared for new customers.....that's clear with the stats on X1 so far, but really....if they want new customers.....how about the thousands of customers that would love to pay $399 instead of $699. (this is the list price comparison).
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 17:26:10
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dmmi Yes it is useful for that......and in efforts to not try to emulate Ableton, my only gripe is mainly that all your clips reside in the track view, so for example if you want to add arpegiator to a loop you can't move the arped result to the matrix, you first have to bounce, then re drag to the matrix......but then you can't change your arp settings without re-bouncing then re-dragging to matrix.....by this tis my inspiration is usually lost. I think the problem with the arpeggiator is a limitation of the arpeggiator itself, not the matrix view. Basically the patterns that it generates don't actually exist until you bounce them to the track. I think this is something that Cakewalk could improve upon, especially considering their big drag & drop everything push in X1. I think it would be nice if the arpeggiator patterns worked similarly to the Step Sequencer patterns. The other problem with all clips in the track view, is complication organization. Lets say you have a rapture track, and have 10 different 4 bar ideas that you want to try out in the matrix view.....well you've just wasted (or cluttered) 40 bars in the track view to accomidate......yes this leaves 40 bars of room for different tracks/ideas, but still is cluttered, now when you want to record your "performance" (again to the track view) you have to start at least bar 40 (yes I know.....marker) but still it's alot of backgound prep just to get things going .
I have to admit that you completely lost me here.  ... So I'll just explain how I use the Matrix view to compose. The first thing that I did was create a track folder with 16 tracks dedicated solely to the Matrix View (I actually have this folder saved in my default template). I usually start a project with a couple of rhythmic loops from the Media browser. I tend to focus on one column at a time as I build the parts for a song, since each column is essentially equivalent to a song section (eg. chorus, verse, intro etc). So I then place all of the elements that will be playing at the same time and put them in the same column. I can then 'park' any sounds that will not be playing during that part in any of the other columns. For each section of my song I then add another column and populate it with the appropriate loops for that section. An important thing to understand is that I don't actually let the Matrix feed any of my instruments tracks directly. Instead, I load up the synths that I want to use on separate tracks and compose/record the parts that I need while playing along with whichever column is selected in the Matrix view. Once I've created something that I want to keep, I freeze the synth, copy the audio data to a new 'groove clip', then move that clip to the Matrix. I can then mute/archive that instrument and move onto the next part. So basically, I've essentially eliminated the MIDI element from Matrix view, which actually gives me more flexibility during composition. If I ever decide that I need to recompose something. I simply unmute & unfreeze the synth and re-record the part. Once I've created all of columns for the parts in my song. I can then simply write out the entire song using the record to track feature of Matrix view. With all of the other (non-Matrix) instruments muted/archived, I can then start my compositions at bar 1 of the 16 tracks that I dedicated to Matrix view if I want. If I need more than 16 tracks I can just add more rows to the matrix and more tracks to the Matrix track folder. To write the song out to the tracks, I press the record to track button and just select the columns in the correct order as the song plays. In a few mins I have the basic framework for a full song and its ready to have vocals, synths, etc. added. I know it sounds like a lot of work, but once you get it down, things can go amazingly fast. For me the best part is being able to quickly try different mixes by simply adding/removing parts from the columns. it's an order of magnitude faster than trying to do the same thing in Track view. I guess the important things to take from this: - Avoid feeding non-audio tracks from the Matrix. Freeze & convert everything to audio. Audio is easier to manipulate and move around the Matrix
- There should never be any other audio/midi data playing in any of the tracks that are being fed by the Matrix view until you're ready to do the final record-to-track.
- Once you're recorded a part and moved the the frozen audio to the Matrix, be sure to mute/archive the original synth.
- Besides the Matrix itself, the only other track that should be playing at any given time is the current synth part that you are recording prior to it being frozen and converted to a groove clip for inclusion in the Matrix.
I didn't know about the clip envelope feature of Ableton Live but it sounds kind of interesting, maybe something similar could be applied to the Matrix view. However, I generally consider working in the Matrix the equivalent of 'tracking' and generally tend to save all of my volume/panning decisions for mixing. -e.B
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 17:31:05
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Wile the Matrix View hasn't received any treatment in X1 it is definitely on our radar for enhancing in the future. There's been plenty of internal discussion about updating it, and I'd like to see it enhanced as much as you guys.  However, one nice thing about X1's Skylight is that the MV can be open in the MultiDock while the Browser is tabbed either left or right, so getting loops into the MV is much easier now. Granted, that's not an update to the MV itself, but is a tidbit worth mentioning nonetheless.
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 17:58:21
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eBlue
What problems do you have with it compared to Ableton Live?
uh, like the fact that you can't record into the silly thing? that is HUGE. also you say people don't understand that it's a view and want it to be a self-contained daw? you've got that backwards. the matrix has a completely independent transport from sonar's main transport. guess what that means? tempo-based effects NO WORKA! it's missing basic functions like row select and column select. you can't select multiple cells in any way to operate on them. you can't reorder columns and rows w/ drag and drop. the Home/End/Page Up/Page Down keys don't work for navigation. it's also buggy AS ALL HELL. if you're just using it as a little scratch pad or whatever maybe it's a fun little toy. if you're trying to use it as a serious compositional machine a la ableton - the more you push it, the more bugs manifest, driving you more and more crazy, until you will give up on it using it seriously. believe me, i was one of the people who screamed for this feature for YEARS. i really really really wanted it to work and i've spent a LOT of time with it. it's TOTALLY not ready for prime time. it should not have been released. cakewalk need to roll up their sleeves and put serious work into the matrix to make it a serious tool.
Like I said, it is very usable for me. I have never had it crash nor needed to do many of the things that seem to be indispensable to you. I have also never had any issues with tempo-synced effects nor the transport not being in sync with the main program. Again its obviously not a suitable replacement for a full DAW package like Live, but I think in the right hands its a very capable and dare I say serious tool. For me it took the best part of Live, the ability to work with loops quickly, and perfectly integrated it into my favorite DAW. It took me a bit of learning and initial setup but I have since been rewarded for that small effort many times over. -e.B
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 17:59:00
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Wile the Matrix View hasn't received any treatment in X1 it is definitely on our radar for enhancing in the future. There's been plenty of internal discussion about updating it, and I'd like to see it enhanced as much as you guys.
However, one nice thing about X1's Skylight is that the MV can be open in the MultiDock while the Browser is tabbed either left or right, so getting loops into the MV is much easier now. Granted, that's not an update to the MV itself, but is a tidbit worth mentioning nonetheless.
Seth, Suffice to say I'm going to upgrade to X1. Also suffice it to say I am stunned the Matrix has been put on the side after making such a big deal about in the initial release. It starts to give me that "Beatscape is dead, long live Beatscape" feeling (though I wasn't a fan of Beatscape anyway). I would have thought the Matrix definitely would have been one of the areas to be 'treated' -- even it was as little as individual volume/pan control. I'm definitely liking the workflow and other improvements we've been told about /shown so far. They are big. And I'm sure that in itself was no easy task. But really-- no Matrix improvements? Hm... I've lived without the Matrix for awhile now (since it just doesn't cut it for me yet), and I'll continue to do a lot of work without it. But it sure would have been nice to get even minor updates to it. Oh wellz. At least thanks for letting us know.
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 18:02:34
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Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
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Wile the Matrix View hasn't received any treatment in X1 it is definitely on our radar for enhancing in the future. There's been plenty of internal discussion about updating it, and I'd like to see it enhanced as much as you guys.
However, one nice thing about X1's Skylight is that the MV can be open in the MultiDock while the Browser is tabbed either left or right, so getting loops into the MV is much easier now. Granted, that's not an update to the MV itself, but is a tidbit worth mentioning nonetheless.
That's really good to hear Seth. One feature that I'd really love to see added is the ability to save the contents of the matrix in a browseable, drag & drop format. Thanks, -e.B
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 18:43:47
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eBlue
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eBlue
What problems do you have with it compared to Ableton Live?
uh, like the fact that you can't record into the silly thing? that is HUGE. also you say people don't understand that it's a view and want it to be a self-contained daw? you've got that backwards. the matrix has a completely independent transport from sonar's main transport. guess what that means? tempo-based effects NO WORKA! it's missing basic functions like row select and column select. you can't select multiple cells in any way to operate on them. you can't reorder columns and rows w/ drag and drop. the Home/End/Page Up/Page Down keys don't work for navigation. it's also buggy AS ALL HELL. if you're just using it as a little scratch pad or whatever maybe it's a fun little toy. if you're trying to use it as a serious compositional machine a la ableton - the more you push it, the more bugs manifest, driving you more and more crazy, until you will give up on it using it seriously. believe me, i was one of the people who screamed for this feature for YEARS. i really really really wanted it to work and i've spent a LOT of time with it. it's TOTALLY not ready for prime time. it should not have been released. cakewalk need to roll up their sleeves and put serious work into the matrix to make it a serious tool.
Like I said, it is very usable for me. I have never had it crash nor needed to do many of the things that seem to be indispensable to you. I have also never had any issues with tempo-synced effects nor the transport not being in sync with the main program. Again its obviously not a suitable replacement for a full DAW package like Live, but I think in the right hands its a very capable and dare I say serious tool. For me it took the best part of Live, the ability to work with loops quickly, and perfectly integrated it into my favorite DAW. It took me a bit of learning and initial setup but I have since been rewarded for that small effort many times over.
-e.B
I can't possibly imagine wanting to work the way you've described. freeze tracks from the outset? so you lose all the flexibility of working w/ midi data -- all the interpolation that is possible w/ midi? plus you say convert to groove clips (does the matrix require this?) that sucks - that means running it thru the ancient Acid audio algorithm that's run on groove clips vs the much better sounding algorithms used by audio snap. All the switching between track view and matrix view is a workflow killer and that's the whole point of matrix view. i'll wait until you can record into it, see clip contents, navigate easily, operate on multiple clips, and it's stable when you hit it hard. until then, sadlly, it's old fashioned looping in track view for me.
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 18:56:15
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ba_midi
Suffice to say I'm going to upgrade to X1. Also suffice it to say I am stunned the Matrix has been put on the side after making such a big deal about in the initial release. Oh wellz. At least thanks for letting us know.
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 19:07:09
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Notecrusher
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What problems do you have with it compared to Ableton Live?
uh, like the fact that you can't record into the silly thing? that is HUGE. also you say people don't understand that it's a view and want it to be a self-contained daw? you've got that backwards. the matrix has a completely independent transport from sonar's main transport. guess what that means? tempo-based effects NO WORKA! it's missing basic functions like row select and column select. you can't select multiple cells in any way to operate on them. you can't reorder columns and rows w/ drag and drop. the Home/End/Page Up/Page Down keys don't work for navigation. it's also buggy AS ALL HELL. if you're just using it as a little scratch pad or whatever maybe it's a fun little toy. if you're trying to use it as a serious compositional machine a la ableton - the more you push it, the more bugs manifest, driving you more and more crazy, until you will give up on it using it seriously. believe me, i was one of the people who screamed for this feature for YEARS. i really really really wanted it to work and i've spent a LOT of time with it. it's TOTALLY not ready for prime time. it should not have been released. cakewalk need to roll up their sleeves and put serious work into the matrix to make it a serious tool.
Like I said, it is very usable for me. I have never had it crash nor needed to do many of the things that seem to be indispensable to you. I have also never had any issues with tempo-synced effects nor the transport not being in sync with the main program. Again its obviously not a suitable replacement for a full DAW package like Live, but I think in the right hands its a very capable and dare I say serious tool. For me it took the best part of Live, the ability to work with loops quickly, and perfectly integrated it into my favorite DAW. It took me a bit of learning and initial setup but I have since been rewarded for that small effort many times over.
-e.B
I can't possibly imagine wanting to work the way you've described. To each his own...  -e.B
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 19:17:20
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ba_midi
Suffice to say I'm going to upgrade to X1. Also suffice it to say I am stunned the Matrix has been put on the side after making such a big deal about in the initial release. Oh wellz. At least thanks for letting us know.
Oh Billy you are such a scamp. Tee Hee
LOL I don't even know what a scamp is! Is that a good thing?
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 19:45:42
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I'm sure they knew it was going to get a by this time around in favor of the massive UI work. Still, it's a bit of a shame because unlike Beatscape, which is what I'd call a bomb, most of us really like the idea of the Matrix View. It just needs a few more features and some better workflow integration.
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 20:03:19
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I gotta say, it's things like this that hold Sonar/X1 back.
It makes these products look and feel very amateur.
I agree Wicked, it's damn shame.
But on the brightside, given that Cakewalk have implemented
many of our requests (it seems) in X1 I think, I hope, the
future's looking good for Matrix view.
Now, back to Live ;)
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 20:36:14
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Another thing that really sucks about the matrix is the cells are just rectangles w/ a name like "snare hit" and a picture of a squiggle. In Live you select that cell and at the bottom of the GUI you actually see your audio waveform - which you can zoom, edit, put automation envelopes on, etc. Nothing like that in the matrix. No clip FX bin for your cells either. Even if you drag an audio clip from TV w/ a clip effect into the matrix the clip effect doesn't come with it.
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 20:46:47
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Yeah. The Matrix is not like Live's clip view in that it's not really a separate environment. In Live, each clip has it's own "mini-project" of resources. In the Matrix View, it's really more like a snapshot of a piece of the arrangement timeline. Hence, dedicated editing and sequencing isn't really possible.
I don't think Cakewalk was trying to go that far with the Matrix View, I think they were more trying to add a non-linear arrangement toolset to SONAR. In this regard they might've saved some headaches by merely implementing something more like ACID's section labels, which allow for rapid arrangement in the linear view by drag and drop.
But, who knows. With a little more TLC the Matrix View could become functional enough that people won't feel the need to move over to live for composing or performance use, which would be rad. I don't think they'll ever eclipse what Live is doing. They're 8 versions in and the only playa in that market after all.
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 21:08:07
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ba_midi
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Suffice to say I'm going to upgrade to X1. Also suffice it to say I am stunned the Matrix has been put on the side after making such a big deal about in the initial release. Oh wellz. At least thanks for letting us know.
Oh Billy you are such a scamp. Tee Hee
LOL I don't even know what a scamp is! Is that a good thing?
watch Oliver Twist....
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 21:43:54
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Well, the matrix is a separate environment. I think they can take it really far. They just haven't. They turned the Live session view on its side which I love, it always drove me crazy that time goes from top to bottom in the session view and left to right in arrange view (like any normal sequencer). Matrix view has its own transport which can run independently or sync to the main transport. That's cool. Each row has a corresponding row in TV. That's fine, same as in Live. But why did they not put a track header on the left like in track view? They just made this checkerboard. It's like they shipped the prototype. So for everything you want to do to a track, you know like ADJUST THE FRIGGIN VOLUME, panning, patch an effect, route to a bus, etc, you have to LEAVE matrix view and go find the corresponding track in TV and do it there. Then go back to matrix view. At this point your workflow is killed because you can't remember what you were doing. As far as what I was describing above, I can't think of any reason why they could not do it. The cell contains a reference to a clip. When it's selected X1 would open a view of the clip contents and the editing tools. Hopefully the Skylight architecture will make this easy.
post edited by Notecrusher - 2010/11/03 02:55:18
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/02 23:58:53
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So I'll just explain how I use the Matrix view to compose.
Thanks for the insight. Its the first time I have seen someone explain how they use matrix view, as oppose to complain about what it can't do. It's been something "I just don't get" I can't imagine working that way myself. I usually have my song structure planned very early in the process, but insights into other peoples ways of working are always interesting.
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Re:Cakewalk: Matrix enhancements in X1?
2010/11/03 00:20:33
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mick@itc
ba_midi
creynolds
ba_midi
Suffice to say I'm going to upgrade to X1. Also suffice it to say I am stunned the Matrix has been put on the side after making such a big deal about in the initial release. Oh wellz. At least thanks for letting us know.
Oh Billy you are such a scamp. Tee Hee
LOL I don't even know what a scamp is! Is that a good thing?
watch Oliver Twist....
Can you get me a few extra hours in the day/night first? ;)
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