My Second Finished Track :)

Hi all

I wasnt planing to post my track here as I wasnt sure if it would stand up against alot of the stuff I hear around here.

I was chating to a nice guy called JonBouy who said I should put it up here so here we are my second finished trackhttp://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=10007266

Go easy on me Ive only been recording around 6 months now but I would realy like to hear all your thoughts.

Ive played all parts and done the vocals but I am a drummer at heart :)

Thanks for all comments good or bad

Norrie

Thanks man yeah I think I might have gone a bit over kill on the kick drum ;) haha

Thanks about the Guitar tones they were made up on My behringer Vamp pro I havent been useing it very long but It gets some nice sounds.

There is a bass in there somewhere its just following the guitar and ploding along I am thiking of trying a second mix on it and bringing it up a little so people can actualy hear it

I find bass playing to be my weekness and I think my mix suffers for this I should go back and try and get it siting in the mix better

Thanks for the reply :)

Norrie

I like it. more than an admirable go at it. Check into the applications you can get out of v vocal which might help out some of the vox. Good heavy compression on the vox. I could've used a couple sections on the vox doubled with an octave up and mixed a bit back from the main vox. I might suggest putting more into the relationship between the bass and the kick to marry them together.

I thought this was a fantastic job and if you played all of the parts yourself, then you're a musician as well.

al

Hey Norrie
Welcome dude! and be careful of that Jon B character! ;-)

wow only recording 6 months, hey? This is excellent. The mix is pretty hot but then this is metal and not new age. Drums are very well played, of course. Kick is a little too forward as has been said, whereas cymbals need to come up.
vocals are also very well done, you can sing, and the recording itslf is very clear.
 Guitars may need to be increased in volume relative to the vocals. this can be one of the hardest thing to do, as the guitars and vocals occupy similar sonic space.
i agree can't hear bass really.
 i'd take some of the verb off the lead guitar, sounds like it is being played from the other end of wembley arena.
i'd also like to hear a little variation in dynamics, esp in the drums, at the mo it all goes on at the same tempo and drive the whole way through. maybe a few half-time moments, say in the verse, also strip back the distorted guitar then and bring 'em back in the chorus, for example. ebb and flow, keep the ear interested.

as i say it's a little hot too, so you're losing some of the audio info like the cymbals, make sure when tracking you keep each track low (say -18 on your meters) and avoid clipping at your soundcrd outs, you can always use plug-ins to increase the overall volume on mastering.

anyhow, a fantastic start dude, you have the chops and equipment, it's all about refining that mixing process now, and we're all learning in that area...

Love it!   Even though the kick is upfront, it fits with this genre.   I don't know if it was intentional but I hear a lot of Hetfield in your vox style.   Even the rhythm guitar tone is very similar to his.   You did an excellent job for only recording 6 months!  

Hey Guys thanks again for all the replys its nice to hear from all of you :)

I am loveing every momment of learning to record and this forum has been a god send so many nice people here that are more than willing to offer help with anything!

I do agree the kick is a lot upfront I was aiming for that in your face style of kick Drum but I think I might have gone a bit over the top haha

I also agree that the bass guitar has been lost I will need to do some work on that.

I am planing to do another version of this and take on board what everyone has said here.

I was hopeing I could ask a question ?
In my Mixing room I dont have much room so my monitors are siting with there backs to a wall and they are not front fireing bass ports they fire from the back.... Could this have anything to do with my mixing ? Since the kicks not as in your face in my room as it is in other rooms that I have listened and In my room I can hear the bass guitar a lot clearer and upfront better.

Could this be down to that ?

I am planing on buying new monitors this week actualy I am loking fto upgrade from my Tapco S5s to a Set of KRK Rocket 6 or 8s or a set of Mackie MR8s  The Krk have front fireing bass ports so this might help my mixes Although I do prefer the sound of the MR8s a bit better when I heard them in the shop but I dont know what to buy if the rear port on the MR8s is going to be a problem ?

Any thoughts on this guys ?

Thanks again to all for takeing the time to listen :)

Norrie

Thanks for the reply man!

Ive just put a Newthread up about it looking for some info and Ive put a couple of pics up asking about accoustic treatment on the space etc if you could checlk it out please

http://forum.cakewalk.com...69&mpage=1#2170369

Thanks again to everyone for everything

Norrie

Hi Dave thanks for the kind words :)

Yeah If I in a studio with mates you will normaly here a couple of times through out the day some one saying NORRIE!!!  Put that FN Guitar down hah if they cant play the drums they dont want me playing the guitar :P
In a fun way of course haha

Yeah I am in tottal agreement about the kick drum and also with what everyone has said about the bass guitar level In my room the kicks not to loud and sits a litttle bit more in the mix but the momment I take it to another room its way over thre top

I was out yesterday and spent the day demoing monitors and I have orderd a set of the Rocket g2 8's and some accoustice treatment.

The momment they arrive I plan to do a remix on this track and see what I can do with it.

Thanks for all the nice comments though guys :)

I didnt expect anythign like the response I have had so thanks to all :D

Norrie

For a 2nd song post..sounds darn good to my ears!

Mix wise..Kick and snare are a bit pronounced on my system, but I read that you're getting some new monitors and doing a little treatment, so kudos to you.

Guitar tones are great and yer vox very good.

You're obviously a very good musician and this tune is well put together. Mixing is a different beast for sure, but, like anything else, the more you work at it, the better you get.

Great advice on these forums!!

Larry

Norrie,
Good job on your second entry.
The mix was good with some good guitar tones.
Other posts have covered most of the things to work on for the next mix.
 

A really good job for a second effort. My first thought was dropping the vocal down a bit into the mix. But it could just be these computer speakers I'm listening on. They have a strong tendancy to over-push the lower vocal range. I notice it on my stuff as well. It should still stand out nicely I think even if dropped a bit. And it's a good vocal performance as well.

The kick drum is definitely super-kickin, and it sounds like maybe there's a lot more of it down below what these speakers can represent. So backing that down a bit, as suggested above, probably would be a good thing.

But anyway, dang good so far. Keep it up.

Hey Guitar hacker!
Thanks for the comment!

Yeah it was doubleing on the verse and the chorus just felt it thickend up the vocals a lot as I am not a singer far from it and I dont like the sound of my own voice but this helped make it a little better.

I agree the kick is far to loud as I was talking to some of the guys above and saying how it was ok in my studio room on my Tapco S5s kick seemed not to bad a little loud but nothing major I was aiming for it to be just a little bit in your face but defo not s much as it is.

The Bass guitar also sat quite well in my room.

I took the song off Sonar and put it straight up on Sound Click so its my own fault for not referenceing it off of other speekers around the house and in the car etc ( I shall not be makeing that mistake again )

I have since done that and I agree with every one I have gone tottaly over the top with the kick and the bass is hardly there at all and on some speekers in the house and also the car I cant hear the bass at all.

I posted above nd said Ive treated my self to a new set of monitors and some accoustic treatment so I plan to do another mix and try and get it right :)

I had tryed a few endings for the song actualy with it fadeing out with no ending and also with it just staying the same level with the same level it felt to repetitive I think in the next mix I will drop the last section and see how I get on with that

Thanks again for the comment its nice to hear from you on here especialy after all your help in the forum I realy appreciate it

I hope everyone will take the time to listen once I have a second mix done on it.

I cant thank every one enough for there kind words about the track I didnt exspect to get good feed back on it after 6 months of learning to record so this has made me really happy and itching to learn more day by day :D

I am realy looking forward to tryng out the new monitors they blow my Tapcos away and now I have some acoustic treatment it should help aswell that and remembering to reference on other systems haha ;)

Accoustic pannels will be going on the walls tomorow then its on to do the re mix :D

Thanks again

Norrie

Hi Norrie,

nice song! really liking your voice and guitar playing.

cool solo.

great job, overall...

geeare1


Hi Norrie,

nice song! really liking your voice and guitar playing.

cool solo.

great job, overall...

Thank you for the kind words !

I look forward to doing a remix on the track and geting the drums and bass guitar right on it.

As for the vocals I have never really sang before untill now so I am trying my best. Its really nice of you to say you liked it. I cant stand the sound of my own voice

Thanks again to everyone

Norrie

Hi again all So Ive finaly got around to posting a couple of pics of my wee studio with the new monitors and a bit of accoustic treatment behind them like I said :)
http://www.flickr.com/pho...set-72157625731774252/

http://www.flickr.com/pho...set-72157625731774252/

http://www.flickr.com/pho...set-72157625731774252/

http://www.flickr.com/pho...set-72157625731774252/

If any one would like to see al the other random ones that have been taken you can see them here http://www.flickr.com/pho...ets/72157625731774252/

Thanks again to every one :)

Norrie