I don't think I've found anything actually taken out. Moved or performed in a different manner, yes. Taken away? Nothing discovered so far here. **

** Excludes anything that is a bug/oversight such as key mappings for MCU........

Thanks FBB. I understand that the way X1 does things is very different now and that is what prompted me to post this. Because I believe I have been misled by posters here that don't say that but instead maintain that a function or an ability is no longer in this X1 version. 

I am not talking about work flow changes but that X1 was a dumbed down version lacking many things that Sonar had. This was worrisome to me.

Yet what I am seeing over all in posts is an unfamiliarity being mistaken for no longer able to accomplish goals.

To me this idea that we would be getting a less capable Sonar then we had before is the single most irresponsible kind of posting I have ever seen. It needs to be called out if it isn't true. I wonder why anyone would want a potential X1 buyer be given this kind of information.

It is either a case of sheer ignorance or it is a deliberate tactic to undermine   the confidence with CW and its users base. Either way it needs to stop.

I suggest that people here assume that what was done in 8.5.3 is still doable in X1 but that more time is needed by them to find out how it is now done.

Here the RTFM mantra is more critical then it has ever been.

Fair question.
 
For me, it is not that something is missing (and I don't count the Lexicon - no big deal for me), but the transparency of interaction with the user as provided across all Sonar versions until the X1.  A small example is the record button on the track.  For years I have looked for, and then clicked, the "R" button to arm a track.  It is habit, it is ingrained, "R" means "record".  Not now, it is a red dot.  The "R" does something completely different.  Will I get used to it, yes.  Does it bother me, you bet.  Others are right click menus, where is the tap tempo?, and a host of other "little things" that did not make it to this GUI as-is from the previous version(s). 
 
So to answer your question, what was removed?   Transparency of use.  But I can get past that(read:re-learn) in time, but I would have preferred plug-n-play(read:produce). 
 

Katie_Katie


Fair question.
 
For me, it is not that something is missing (and I don't count the Lexicon - no big deal for me), but the transparency of interaction with the user as provided across all Sonar versions until the X1.  A small example is the record button on the track.  For years I have looked for, and then clicked, the "R" button to arm a track.  It is habit, it is ingrained, "R" means "record".  Not now, it is a red dot.  The "R" does something completely different.  Will I get used to it, yes.  Does it bother me, you bet.  Others are right click menus, where is the tap tempo?, and a host of other "little things" that did not make it to this GUI as-is from the previous version(s). 
 
So to answer your question, what was removed?   Transparency of use.  But I can get past that(read:re-learn) in time, but I would have preferred not to so.
 

Yeah, that's my current GUI redesign objection. For example, instead of Volume and Pan symbols, we now have text saying Volume and Pan.

Neither one is better than the other, but for a long term user, the abilty to read the scheme at a glance has been given an entirely unnecessary extra bit of settle in time, and makes switching back and forth between this and previous versions (which I'm sure many of us are doing) less immediate than it could have been.

Not a major gripe, but it does seem a bit pointless and odd.

John T

Katie_Katie

 ...So to answer your question, what was removed?   Transparency of use.  But I can get past that(read:re-learn) in time, but I would have preferred not to so.

Yeah, that's my current GUI redesign objection. For example, instead of Volume and Pan symbols, we now have text saying Volume and Pan.

Neither one is better than the other, but for a long term user, the abilty to read the scheme at a glance has been given an entirely unnecessary extra bit of settle in time, and makes switching back and forth between this and previous versions (which I'm sure many of us are doing) less immediate than it could have been.

Not a major gripe, but it does seem a bit pointless and odd.

Same here...


The point being, features NOT removed, but "scattered" all around... 


far as I'm concerned:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2172559

In my TV I generally keep my Snap on "Measure" as I'm mostly cutting and pasting Chrouses and Verses and such.  I switch to "Absolute Time", of course, when editing audio clips.  In my PRV however I'm almost always on eighths, sixteenths or their triplet siblings...because these are the most ubiquitous units I'm editing individual notes to.  When moving back and forth as much as I do between views it's good to know what my Snap is set to in both.  Many...many...many's the time in the new setup I've done some editing in PRV jumped back into TV and tried to some editing only to see I'm using the wrong Snap setting...this can be maddening especially if I'm unknowingly set at absolute time...cut and paste a chorus and verse or two and then realize they are all just a tick or two off.  In any case, for many of us, Having different Snap to Grids seems better. 

Screensets are your answer yorolpal. Once set up you can have different snap to settings, instantly accessible at the press of a button..........

 
Yes - but that requires an extra click.  If the PRV and TV had different snap settings (as before), it's one less click (ie, you don't have to first change screensets) ;)
 
Btw, another thing X1 changed ...  my 8.5.3 icon moved over one slot in the quick launch area :P
 
 

rbowser


"... I can't find anything taken out of X1 that we had in Sonar 8.5.3..."

Here's one - The ability to re-order tracks in the Console View.

RB

Good point, plus the ability to read the track name in narrow view, plus the number of sends available, in fact - less said about the CV the better..........

stickman393


>> Please list all the things missing from X1 that were in 8.5.3

• On/Off buttons in the Synth Rack. 

If you undock the browser or put the browser in the multidock they appear, kind of begs the question why aren't they there all the time though.

stickman393


>> Please list all the things missing from X1 that were in 8.5.3

• On/Off buttons in the Synth Rack. 
• Readable routing labels (look at the In/Out selectors and tell me if you can what the **** it's pointing to without the tooltop or dropping down the list)  
• Pan/Vol/Gain controls distinguishable by color in the TrackView strips (this might be a bug that will get fixed but we don't really know for sure yet)
• Distinguishable Vol/Pan envelope colors in the TV Clip Pane when in normal "clip" edit mode

A separate, expandable, floatable SYNTH RACK so one can see the assignable controls without having to be locked into the multidock or browser that puts some constraints on the view of it.
 
 

ba_midi

FastBikerBoy

rbowser


"... I can't find anything taken out of X1 that we had in Sonar 8.5.3..."

Here's one - The ability to re-order tracks in the Console View.

RB

Good point, plus the ability to read the track name in narrow view, plus the number of sends available, in fact - less said about the CV the better..........

I think the opposite.  The more we - as a user base - point out our needs, the better.
 
 

Yeah I agree, the "less said the better" bit was tongue in cheek, the whole CV is a bit of a disaster, not that I use it that much but all the same.........

Have CW promised it'll be fixed or did I dream that?

FastBikerBoy

Have CW promised it'll be fixed or did I dream that?

They're re-instating the ability to rearrange the order of tracks, but don't know about anything else.

John T


Am I being dumb, or is it impossible to move the synth rack out of the browser? Not loving that.

Yup, it's stuck in the Browser for now.  Hope they change that in X1b.

The 'Save' and 'PRV' buttons.

Toward the top in TV choose "Custom". You can enable Pan/Vol?gain and more from there.