rhythminmind 
Max Output Level: -89 dBFS
- Total Posts : 95
- Joined: 2008/02/07 08:23:11
- Status: offline
"Any experiment of interest in life will be carried out at your own expense."
|
brundlefly
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 14250
- Joined: 2007/09/14 14:57:59
- Location: Manitou Spgs, Colorado
- Status: offline
Re:Hardware 1176 emulation vs Sonar X1 ProChannel “76″ software emulation
2011/01/07 03:05:37
(permalink)
Wow. Long live hardware. 
|
John T
Max Output Level: -7.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6783
- Joined: 2006/06/12 10:24:39
- Status: offline
Re:Hardware 1176 emulation vs Sonar X1 ProChannel “76″ software emulation
2011/01/07 03:14:18
(permalink)
Very interesting.
To what extent did you match up the settings? To me, the software versions sound like they're using a slightly higher compression ratio.
http://johntatlockaudio.com/Self-build PC // 16GB RAM // i7 3770k @ 3.5 Ghz // Nofan 0dB cooler // ASUS P8-Z77 V Pro motherboard // Intel x-25m SSD System Drive // Seagate RAID Array Audio Drive // Windows 10 64 bit // Sonar Platinum (64 bit) // Sonar VS-700 // M-Audio Keystation Pro 88 // KRK RP-6 Monitors // and a bunch of other stuff
|
chrisharbin
Max Output Level: -56.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1852
- Joined: 2010/02/26 19:06:23
- Status: offline
Re:Hardware 1176 emulation vs Sonar X1 ProChannel “76″ software emulation
2011/01/07 03:25:48
(permalink)
One thing I noticed is that the "all in" in the prochannel is (and please forgive my lousy "tech" description) "choppy". It's ok, but even in the example I noticed this.
i7 860/MSI mobo/8GB ram/win7x64ultimate/X2/profire 610/oxygen 61/running 48k currently.
|
chrisharbin
Max Output Level: -56.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1852
- Joined: 2010/02/26 19:06:23
- Status: offline
Re:Hardware 1176 emulation vs Sonar X1 ProChannel “76″ software emulation
2011/01/07 03:36:29
(permalink)
Also, the free "roughrider" from audio damage is still ruler of the super comp sound
i7 860/MSI mobo/8GB ram/win7x64ultimate/X2/profire 610/oxygen 61/running 48k currently.
|
rhythminmind
Max Output Level: -89 dBFS
- Total Posts : 95
- Joined: 2008/02/07 08:23:11
- Status: offline
Re:Hardware 1176 emulation vs Sonar X1 ProChannel “76″ software emulation
2011/01/07 11:53:21
(permalink)
John T
Very interesting.
To what extent did you match up the settings? To me, the software versions sound like they're using a slightly higher compression ratio.
The knob scales between the software & hardware are in now way shape or form close. But it's how the Attack & Rel fundamentally respond/sound that is greatest reason for difference. Believe it or not this is as close as I could match within the 30 or so mins of testing.
"Any experiment of interest in life will be carried out at your own expense."
|
Middleman
Max Output Level: -31.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 4397
- Joined: 2003/12/04 00:58:50
- Location: Orange County, CA
- Status: offline
Re:Hardware 1176 emulation vs Sonar X1 ProChannel “76″ software emulation
2011/01/07 12:18:08
(permalink)
It would be helpful to just hear the files with no compression i.e. just turn on the compressor in both cases and run a signal through it. Don't apply threshold. I think you would already hear a difference between the two.
|
rhythminmind
Max Output Level: -89 dBFS
- Total Posts : 95
- Joined: 2008/02/07 08:23:11
- Status: offline
Re:Hardware 1176 emulation vs Sonar X1 ProChannel “76″ software emulation
2011/01/07 12:25:42
(permalink)
Middleman
It would be helpful to just hear the files with no compression i.e. just turn on the compressor in both cases and run a signal through it. Don't apply threshold. I think you would already hear a difference between the two.
I'll add this the set tonight. Will be interesting to hear how much the transformers alone add/change (if anything at all).
post edited by rhythminmind - 2011/01/07 12:26:49
"Any experiment of interest in life will be carried out at your own expense."
|
Rain
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 9736
- Joined: 2003/11/07 05:10:12
- Location: Las Vegas
- Status: offline
Re:Hardware 1176 emulation vs Sonar X1 ProChannel “76″ software emulation
2011/01/07 12:26:08
(permalink)
Hardware still has the edge it seems. Oh well - it'll be a long time before I can afford such a unit. By then it'll probably be a model of a model of the C2 model. But then again, software will most likely be on par, so I guess I might as well get used to it now.  Thanks for posting this.
TCB - Tea, Cats, Books...
|
dlesaux
Max Output Level: -70 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1034
- Joined: 2009/09/13 09:25:18
- Status: offline
Re:Hardware 1176 emulation vs Sonar X1 ProChannel “76″ software emulation
2011/01/07 12:38:47
(permalink)
Agreed! The RoughRider is my go-to compressor for bass!
|
AT
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 10654
- Joined: 2004/01/09 10:42:46
- Location: TeXaS
- Status: offline
Re:Hardware 1176 emulation vs Sonar X1 ProChannel “76″ software emulation
2011/01/07 13:32:45
(permalink)
Good one, Rhythm. It is surprising how good the ProChannel sounds. Not matched, by any means, but still good. The hardware, as always (so far) has the advantage, tho it is growing smaller. I still prefer hardware, but can't afford enough of it.
Nice song, too.
@
https://soundcloud.com/a-pleasure-dome
http://www.bnoir-film.com/ there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
|
rhythminmind
Max Output Level: -89 dBFS
- Total Posts : 95
- Joined: 2008/02/07 08:23:11
- Status: offline
Re:Hardware 1176 emulation vs Sonar X1 ProChannel “76″ software emulation
2011/01/08 14:55:24
(permalink)
Middleman
It would be helpful to just hear the files with no compression i.e. just turn on the compressor in both cases and run a signal through it. Don't apply threshold. I think you would already hear a difference between the two.
Added dry & thru files to the set, I didn't find it to be a significant difference running thru the C2s alone without compression.
"Any experiment of interest in life will be carried out at your own expense."
|
Middleman
Max Output Level: -31.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 4397
- Joined: 2003/12/04 00:58:50
- Location: Orange County, CA
- Status: offline
Re:Hardware 1176 emulation vs Sonar X1 ProChannel “76″ software emulation
2011/01/08 15:38:40
(permalink)
Actually those files help as a reference. Thanks. I can hear a slight amount of clarity difference between the hardware vs. software. Also in going back to the originals, since you set these by ear, I think the release is a little slow on the plug in. It's not opening back up as quickly as the hardware which is dampening the ambiance of the snare after the initial attack. That may not even be possible but the hardware grabs and releases very snappy vs the plug.
|
Lanceindastudio
Max Output Level: -29 dBFS
- Total Posts : 4604
- Joined: 2004/01/22 02:28:30
- Status: offline
Re:Hardware 1176 emulation vs Sonar X1 ProChannel “76″ software emulation
2011/01/08 15:45:02
(permalink)
I think software has everything needed to make a great song rock.
I didnt hear enough difference.
Thanx for this test man as I dont have an 1176
Asus P8Z77-V LE PLUS Motherboard i7 3770k CPU 32 gigs RAM Presonus AudioBox iTwo Windows 10 64 bit, SONAR PLATINUM 64 bit Lots of plugins and softsynths and one shot samples, loops Gauge ECM-87, MCA SP-1, Alesis AM51 Presonus Eureka Mackie HR824's and matching subwoofer
|
HumbleNoise
Max Output Level: -46 dBFS
- Total Posts : 2946
- Joined: 2004/01/04 12:53:50
- Status: offline
Re:Hardware 1176 emulation vs Sonar X1 ProChannel “76″ software emulation
2011/01/08 15:48:19
(permalink)
Thanks for the effort. That was pretty enlightening. I could hear a slight difference but no way if not AB ing the two side by side.
Humbly Yours Larry Sonar X2 x64 MAudio 2496 Yamaha MG 12/4 Roland XV-88 Intel MB with Q6600 and 4 GB Ram NVidia 9800 GTX Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
|
John T
Max Output Level: -7.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6783
- Joined: 2006/06/12 10:24:39
- Status: offline
Re:Hardware 1176 emulation vs Sonar X1 ProChannel “76″ software emulation
2011/01/08 15:54:20
(permalink)
The hardware does sound better, to my ears. But crucially, not all that significantly better.
I'd be curious now to hear comparisons with things like the Waves versions, or the Duende ones.
http://johntatlockaudio.com/Self-build PC // 16GB RAM // i7 3770k @ 3.5 Ghz // Nofan 0dB cooler // ASUS P8-Z77 V Pro motherboard // Intel x-25m SSD System Drive // Seagate RAID Array Audio Drive // Windows 10 64 bit // Sonar Platinum (64 bit) // Sonar VS-700 // M-Audio Keystation Pro 88 // KRK RP-6 Monitors // and a bunch of other stuff
|
rhythminmind
Max Output Level: -89 dBFS
- Total Posts : 95
- Joined: 2008/02/07 08:23:11
- Status: offline
Re:Hardware 1176 emulation vs Sonar X1 ProChannel “76″ software emulation
2011/01/08 15:58:27
(permalink)
John T
I'd be curious now to hear comparisons with things like the Waves versions, or the Duende ones.
I've compared the 4k bus comp vs Duende. http://rhythminmind.net/1313/?p=2388
post edited by rhythminmind - 2011/01/08 16:01:20
"Any experiment of interest in life will be carried out at your own expense."
|
John T
Max Output Level: -7.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6783
- Joined: 2006/06/12 10:24:39
- Status: offline
Re:Hardware 1176 emulation vs Sonar X1 ProChannel “76″ software emulation
2011/01/08 16:01:08
(permalink)
Heh... you know what, I think I prefer the PC on that one.
http://johntatlockaudio.com/Self-build PC // 16GB RAM // i7 3770k @ 3.5 Ghz // Nofan 0dB cooler // ASUS P8-Z77 V Pro motherboard // Intel x-25m SSD System Drive // Seagate RAID Array Audio Drive // Windows 10 64 bit // Sonar Platinum (64 bit) // Sonar VS-700 // M-Audio Keystation Pro 88 // KRK RP-6 Monitors // and a bunch of other stuff
|
John T
Max Output Level: -7.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 6783
- Joined: 2006/06/12 10:24:39
- Status: offline
Re:Hardware 1176 emulation vs Sonar X1 ProChannel “76″ software emulation
2011/01/08 16:01:49
(permalink)
Difference is very marginal mind you.
Cheers, interesting stuff.
http://johntatlockaudio.com/Self-build PC // 16GB RAM // i7 3770k @ 3.5 Ghz // Nofan 0dB cooler // ASUS P8-Z77 V Pro motherboard // Intel x-25m SSD System Drive // Seagate RAID Array Audio Drive // Windows 10 64 bit // Sonar Platinum (64 bit) // Sonar VS-700 // M-Audio Keystation Pro 88 // KRK RP-6 Monitors // and a bunch of other stuff
|
John
Forum Host
- Total Posts : 30467
- Joined: 2003/11/06 11:53:17
- Status: offline
Re:Hardware 1176 emulation vs Sonar X1 ProChannel “76″ software emulation
2011/01/08 16:57:50
(permalink)
Theoretically speaking which is really more accurate? The software version or the hardware version. Keeping in mind they are really both all software.One being hard wired the other not. Its simply chips in a box or chips in a computer. Unless we are talking about hand wired discreet components, the algorithms use in modren hardware are programed much the same as software is for a computer.
independent boxes have severe limits on how much can be done within where as a full computer is only dependent on the quality of the programing.
Also if there is a noticeable difference is it due to programing limitations or is it due to hardware developers limiting the accuracy to not impact the desirability of their hardware?
|
rhythminmind
Max Output Level: -89 dBFS
- Total Posts : 95
- Joined: 2008/02/07 08:23:11
- Status: offline
Re:Hardware 1176 emulation vs Sonar X1 ProChannel “76″ software emulation
2011/01/08 17:06:39
(permalink)
The C2s is a discreet analog 1176 based compressor. No DSP.
post edited by rhythminmind - 2011/01/08 17:12:22
"Any experiment of interest in life will be carried out at your own expense."
|
Middleman
Max Output Level: -31.5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 4397
- Joined: 2003/12/04 00:58:50
- Location: Orange County, CA
- Status: offline
Re:Hardware 1176 emulation vs Sonar X1 ProChannel “76″ software emulation
2011/01/08 17:08:30
(permalink)
Also one has transformers, the other does not.
|