Need Help Rendering/Bouncing Midi to Audio in Sonar X1 - Superior Drummer

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Need Help Rendering/Bouncing Midi to Audio in Sonar X1 - Superior Drummer

Hi I'm having a really stressing issue. Just got Sonar X1 Producer and Superior Drummer2. Finished writing a song and now I'm trying to mix everything down to an mp3 so I can show my band. The drums don't come out on the final mp3. After much googling I found that I'm supposed to BOUNCE TO TRACK...basically rendering the Midi to audio within sonar..then mix down.

Problem is when I highlight the midi drums and select bounce to track it gives me error:

"The specified selection did not contain any audio data. Please ensure that the selection contains the audio data you with to bounce"

My guitar player uses the same setup and is having the same issue.

If anyone can help I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks

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    10Ten
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    Re:Need Help Rendering/Bouncing Midi to Audio in Sonar X1 - Superior Drummer 2011/02/20 18:18:01 (permalink)
    It is a pain in the butt to bounce to tracks in Sonar especially with synths. Make sure you select both the MIDI track and the synth's audio track. You'd think that Sonar would know you needed the audio track, but it doesn't. It should automatically give you the drum audio if you export the whole track though.
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    Re:Need Help Rendering/Bouncing Midi to Audio in Sonar X1 - Superior Drummer 2011/02/20 18:33:51 (permalink)
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    It is a pain in the butt to bounce to tracks in Sonar especially with synths. Make sure you select both the MIDI track and the synth's audio track. You'd think that Sonar would know you needed the audio track, but it doesn't. It should automatically give you the drum audio if you export the whole track though.


    It doesn't do that automatically unfortunately. I think I'm missing some simple step here but I dont know what. I have a folder for superior drummer with two tracks..one is the instrument track and the other is the midi track. I did this before with easy drummer and it created a new audio track when I used "bounce to track" but this isn't working.

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    Re:Need Help Rendering/Bouncing Midi to Audio in Sonar X1 - Superior Drummer 2011/02/20 19:11:19 (permalink)
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    It is a pain in the butt to bounce to tracks in Sonar especially with synths. Make sure you select both the MIDI track and the synth's audio track. You'd think that Sonar would know you needed the audio track, but it doesn't. It should automatically give you the drum audio if you export the whole track though.


    It doesn't do that automatically unfortunately. I think I'm missing some simple step here but I dont know what. I have a folder for superior drummer with two tracks..one is the instrument track and the other is the midi track. I did this before with easy drummer and it created a new audio track when I used "bounce to track" but this isn't working.


    You have to select both tracks to get it to mix it to a new track. I generally mix it to the audio track for the synth and then set the input to non so the audio plays. You could also freeze it and get the same result.
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    Re:Need Help Rendering/Bouncing Midi to Audio in Sonar X1 - Superior Drummer 2011/02/20 19:26:19 (permalink)
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    Hi I'm having a really stressing issue. Just got Sonar X1 Producer and Superior Drummer2. Finished writing a song and now I'm trying to mix everything down to an mp3 so I can show my band. The drums don't come out on the final mp3. After much googling I found that I'm supposed to BOUNCE TO TRACK...basically rendering the Midi to audio within sonar..then mix down.

    Problem is when I highlight the midi drums and select bounce to track it gives me error:

    "The specified selection did not contain any audio data. Please ensure that the selection contains the audio data you with to bounce"

    My guitar player uses the same setup and is having the same issue.

    If anyone can help I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks


    Actualy for some softsynths in X1 It actualy just works now with track bouncing --But its true soOo strange ---If sonar would not sound so good --I would never have worked with such complicated software !

    If people dont know different --they dont mind ...but some used good sequencers and that is just outrageous rude sonar behaviour against track bouncing ^^

    it super strange --in X1 it works for some softsynths for some it doesnt (ROFL ) ( ROFL ); you still have to select an audio track as well --(so un LOGIC !!!! )

    cubase and logic users go CRAaazy at first -when they use sonar --BELIEVE ME !

    Cake doesnt realy care --I pointed that bouncing problem out some years ago --they dont give a F%&(

    in cubase boucnig trax for me was like 2.5 sec work --ALL my friends saw , and were so surprised how I literaly flew through my Cubase UI --bouncing so easy ^^

    How come gaming industry has gotten the message ; that one shall copy the goodnes of the other and paint it different ?????
    SONAR just sounds sooo oOOoOOooooo much better then the rest --makes me cry !
    WHY ???

    Why can´t it be perfect ! Go learn from gaming industry dudes at cakewalk !

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    Re:Need Help Rendering/Bouncing Midi to Audio in Sonar X1 - Superior Drummer 2011/02/20 19:38:50 (permalink)
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    Hi I'm having a really stressing issue. Just got Sonar X1 Producer and Superior Drummer2. Finished writing a song and now I'm trying to mix everything down to an mp3 so I can show my band. The drums don't come out on the final mp3. After much googling I found that I'm supposed to BOUNCE TO TRACK...basically rendering the Midi to audio within sonar..then mix down.

    Problem is when I highlight the midi drums and select bounce to track it gives me error:

    "The specified selection did not contain any audio data. Please ensure that the selection contains the audio data you with to bounce"

    My guitar player uses the same setup and is having the same issue.

    If anyone can help I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks

    You might be better off "Freezing" the synth (same as bouncing, basically) by using the freeze command on the synth itself (in the rack, or via the freeze widget in the track view).
     
    You won't have to worry about selecting the MIDI tracks, it will do it for you (freeze will).
     
     

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    Re:Need Help Rendering/Bouncing Midi to Audio in Sonar X1 - Superior Drummer 2011/02/20 19:41:34 (permalink)
    it super strange --in X1 it works for some softsynths for some it doesnt (ROFL ) ( ROFL ); you still have to select an audio track as well --(so un LOGIC !!!! )

     
    This MAY be because if the synth is a "single output" and is a "simple instrument track", Sonar knows what to do.
    With multi-out, multi track synths, you have options (you may not want to bounce ALL the MIDI data).
    So while this may seem weird on the surface, it actually gives more options.
     
    This only proves much of how one sees these things depends on 1) experience/skill set, 2) the way one likes to work, 3) deep knowledge of the programs features/functions, 4) how much effort one puts in to all the above.
     
     

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    Re:Need Help Rendering/Bouncing Midi to Audio in Sonar X1 - Superior Drummer 2011/02/20 19:55:10 (permalink)
    I've run into this issue as well. Only way I got around is not use "simple instrument track". 

    When you don't select simple instrument track, and you insert an instrument, you'll get tracks for the VSTi, one audio, one midi.

    When mixing down the midi, you'll need to highlight both tracks then choose "bounce to track" from the track menu.

    I'm sure there is a way to bounce simple instrument track to audio, I just havn't found it.  If there is not, I question the purpose of a the simple instrumet track.

    Hope this helps.

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    Re:Need Help Rendering/Bouncing Midi to Audio in Sonar X1 - Superior Drummer 2011/02/21 05:15:31 (permalink)
    For preparing a final mixdown, I'd use the Export function, not bounce to track.

    How many tracks do you have? Call it n

    The time taken to do a full bounce to track on every track will be n x the time taken to do an export.

    For bouncing a simple instrument track down, just use the freeze function.
    This will also free up some cpu cycles.

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    Re:Need Help Rendering/Bouncing Midi to Audio in Sonar X1 - Superior Drummer 2011/02/21 06:04:30 (permalink)
    In Supperior Drummer 2 there is a bounce option which works very well although it saves the audio files to a folder, you then have to drag them into Sonar using the browser. I was playing with this yesterday, didn't take long and you have several options of how you bouncde the drum track, either as a final mix or with each mic (drum and ambient) to seperate files.
    If you bounce multiple tracks, try and ensure all parts start from beat 1 even if there is no drumplaying at that point, so you can line them up easily.

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    Re:Need Help Rendering/Bouncing Midi to Audio in Sonar X1 - Superior Drummer 2011/02/21 07:33:24 (permalink)
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    I'm sure there is a way to bounce simple instrument track to audio, I just havn't found it.  If there is not, I question the purpose of a the simple instrumet track.

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    It's good to notice, that clicking on the midi clip does not select the track, it selects the midi clip.
    If you click at the track number, the whole instrument track gets selected and bounced. At least that's what I've let the big boys tell me.
    The folk that make big noise about the complexity of the bouncing method in SONAR usually just look at the thing through a straw. The "open" way of SONAR gives more freedom of choice to the user, as ba_midi points out. If you want the most simple, you can't expect to get versatility.

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    Re:Need Help Rendering/Bouncing Midi to Audio in Sonar X1 - Superior Drummer 2011/02/21 08:01:18 (permalink)
    what options do you have selected in the mix window? Entire mix? Main Outputs? Selected Tracks?

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    Re:Need Help Rendering/Bouncing Midi to Audio in Sonar X1 - Superior Drummer 2011/02/21 21:16:24 (permalink)
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    Hi I'm having a really stressing issue. Just got Sonar X1 Producer and Superior Drummer2. Finished writing a song and now I'm trying to mix everything down to an mp3 so I can show my band. The drums don't come out on the final mp3. After much googling I found that I'm supposed to BOUNCE TO TRACK...basically rendering the Midi to audio within sonar..then mix down.

    Problem is when I highlight the midi drums and select bounce to track it gives me error:

    "The specified selection did not contain any audio data. Please ensure that the selection contains the audio data you with to bounce"

    My guitar player uses the same setup and is having the same issue.

    If anyone can help I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks

    You might be better off "Freezing" the synth (same as bouncing, basically) by using the freeze command on the synth itself (in the rack, or via the freeze widget in the track view).
     
    You won't have to worry about selecting the MIDI tracks, it will do it for you (freeze will).
     
      Success!
    Dude...right clicking on the track with the midi arrangement and selecting FREEZE worked like a charm. So simple...renders an audio track right away and it exported when I mixed down to MP3. Thanks so much.

    Hopefully this post will aid some other poor stressed out person.




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    Re:Need Help Rendering/Bouncing Midi to Audio in Sonar X1 - Superior Drummer 2011/02/21 22:04:28 (permalink)
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    rabidcadaverdog


    Hi I'm having a really stressing issue. Just got Sonar X1 Producer and Superior Drummer2. Finished writing a song and now I'm trying to mix everything down to an mp3 so I can show my band. The drums don't come out on the final mp3. After much googling I found that I'm supposed to BOUNCE TO TRACK...basically rendering the Midi to audio within sonar..then mix down.

    Problem is when I highlight the midi drums and select bounce to track it gives me error:

    "The specified selection did not contain any audio data. Please ensure that the selection contains the audio data you with to bounce"

    My guitar player uses the same setup and is having the same issue.

    If anyone can help I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks

    You might be better off "Freezing" the synth (same as bouncing, basically) by using the freeze command on the synth itself (in the rack, or via the freeze widget in the track view).

    You won't have to worry about selecting the MIDI tracks, it will do it for you (freeze will).

    Success!
    Dude...right clicking on the track with the midi arrangement and selecting FREEZE worked like a charm. So simple...renders an audio track right away and it exported when I mixed down to MP3. Thanks so much.

    Hopefully this post will aid some other poor stressed out person.

    Glad it worked out for you.   It's all in the help files and reference guides, btw.
     
    Also - when you quote a message on this forum, you have to make sure you move your cursor to the end where it no longer indents in order to post your reply without it becoming part of the existing quote.
     
    I see a lot of users do this, so I thought it might be useful to point out the fix ;)
     
     

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