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2011/04/15 10:15:18 (permalink)

I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools

Hello all,

I got X1 at launch and instantly realized I couldn't switch because my speed in the older versions was so much quicker. Right now, I make most of my income from editing in 8.5 mostly because I have worked with the Sonar interface since before it was Sonar and I am really fast. I may have some time to dig into X1 soon but I would rather not have to learn or map all of the key commands manually and certain workflow functions have been cocked up. For example, is there any way to get the track view tools to act like they did pre-X1.

The only reason I am bringing this up is because of a statement that Brandon Ryan makes at 6:25 of this video from Sonic State:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97LnrViar38

This statement made me confident in buying X1 but I have not found the update useful in any single way. I love Sonar pre X1 and really don't want to switch, but if Avid decided that command-3  and command-4 no longer did what it did in the previous version of pro-tools there would be uproar and outrage to no end.

I've searched the forums but haven't found much of anything. Even just making X1 a bit more like 8.5 would help me get over the hump. Or even just a link to a decent conversation on this forum about the subject. Maybe I'm becoming a dinosaur.

Thanks everybody!
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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/15 10:22:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
No, X1 doesn't allow you to customize the tools. The only thing you can change is the key binding used to activate the tool, but the key bindings used in conjunction with the tools to access other functions, can't be changed.

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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/15 10:37:45 (permalink)
:big sigh:

Thanks Scott.

But what were they thinking? Did all the designers just hate their product so much that they had to make it a foreign country to their most dedicated customers?

I'm puzzled by a lot of the changes.
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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/15 12:06:46 (permalink)
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But what were they thinking? Did all the designers just hate their product so much that they had to make it a foreign country to their most dedicated customers?


I don't think so.  I think the changes are improvements, and I, too, have been using Cakewalk since way before Sonar.  I am adapting to the changes ( still a work-in-progress, of course), and I am discovering many workflow enhancements.

Don't be so hard on yourself.  You will be surprised how easily you fall into the new paradigm.  You are in a great position:  you can adapt to the changes if you want to; or simply stick with what you know and go swimming right along.
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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/15 12:12:53 (permalink)
the closest your going to get is downloading benstats sonar helper.it brings back quite a few features from 8.5

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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/15 13:30:22 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Yes, might be worth a try:

www.sonarplus.co.uk

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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/15 13:41:34 (permalink)
benstat


Yes, might be worth a try:

www.sonarplus.co.uk


+1 to benstat..him and panu have made the x1 experence very nice..with the bumps and bruises x1 took when it was first released these two guys really saved some users

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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/15 15:04:42 (permalink)
>> I got X1 at launch and instantly realized I couldn't switch because my speed in the older versions was so much quicker.


What is wrong with us, do you think, that makes us unable to experience the joy of the new improved workflow?
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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/15 23:41:03 (permalink)
stickman393





What is wrong with us, do you think, that makes us unable to experience the joy of the new improved workflow?


Over 30?
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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/16 00:16:03 (permalink)
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No, X1 doesn't allow you to customize the tools. The only thing you can change is the key binding used to activate the tool, but the key bindings used in conjunction with the tools to access other functions, can't be changed.

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Hey Scott, quick question for you mate. Can you customize the snap settings to 1,2,4, 8 etc like default in 8.5 or does X1 prevent this? I can't access X1 to check atm.
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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/16 10:35:16 (permalink)
I am in almost the same boat as the OP. But, I did switch the key bindings back to 8.5 (there is a template provided to switch this) and learned how to use the new X1 tools.  I too was very wary and frustrated the first 100 hours or so using X1 (relearning how to do common tasks) but stuck with it and as each day goes by, my mind has been trained to use X1 almost as intuitively and proficient as the old interface.

However, the new stuff in X1 has now added functionality to my workflow and has now made my sessions go even quicker.  More time for music and less time as Computer OP.

GOOD STUFF.... once I got used to the changes, I now have been assimulated.

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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/16 10:51:39 (permalink)
Eyes

Hey Scott, quick question for you mate. Can you customize the snap settings to 1,2,4, 8 etc like default in 8.5 or does X1 prevent this? I can't access X1 to check atm.
Hey Eyes,

Do you mean the key bindings? If so, then yes. You can set them to whatever you like so that you can choose different snap resolutions with the keyboard.

Scott

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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/17 03:58:19 (permalink)
jkleban:

Any suggestions that might cut down the 100 hours of relearn time?

But again, what the heck? 100 hours?!! And this isn't just to learn new features, it's to relearn core tools. I can imagine I've spent far more than 100,000 hours trying to master the older tools.

So how about if I just decide to stick with 8.5 for now and I'll get to the retraining when I can. Even so, how can I be sure that they won't make similar changes again in versions down the road?

>> Over 30?

No. I can still be trusted. :]
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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/17 04:06:48 (permalink)
stickman393


>> I got X1 at launch and instantly realized I couldn't switch because my speed in the older versions was so much quicker.


What is wrong with us, do you think, that makes us unable to experience the joy of the new improved workflow?


I just feel like when a client sees my agility in the program it is good for my business. I can't enjoy an experience when I am stumbling on all the improvements in front of somebody I'm working with.

I can see a lot of cool features in X1 that made me "ooo" and "aaah" at first BTW. I promise I'm no hater. I'll get to it eventually. Just looking for options.
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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/17 08:44:38 (permalink)
At the moment I'm still using 8.5 for making money and working with X1B245 (now that it's alot more stable) as time permits. I must say that the more time I spend with X1 (especially as I'm not under any pressure) the more I'm getting used to it. Not being under pressure to learn it is the key for me. S8.5 is still a remarkably good DAW.

Once I'm confident of its stability (just a few bugs still to iron out) I'll start using it for making money.

I'm also using Presonus Studio One Pro 1.64 and I've just ordered PT9-HD.

I find that my SONAR expertise (upto S8.5) allows me to take that knowledge and fluency and fairly quickly apply it to other software.

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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/17 19:04:56 (permalink)
Hi mudgel

I use Logic, PT,  and Vegas for a lot of work and I can do everything I can in Sonar. But pre x1 was just so smooth for editing. For me it is a joy to work in.

You know when a client describes a significant edit and you have it ready for them to hear by the time they finish describing it? That is what I consistently have with 8.5. I don't think I'll make the switch until I can be confident I have that in x1.
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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/17 20:08:51 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
I highly recommend getting the X1 vids at groove3.com

They will cut down on the learning curve big time.

And once you learn how the smart tool works you will wonder how you lived so long without it.

The best thing to do is to forget what you know about 8.5 and take X1 as a new product. Even though it's still 8.5 under the hood. It really does improve workflow.

And if you compare 100 hours learning X1 to 100,000 hours you have in 8.5, that's about a thousand to one ratio...
 
As a first step, really focus on the Smart tool and everything it can do without having to change tools, and you will realize it is better.
Oh, and I almost forgot, Scott's great Sonar X1 Power book as well.
 
I just got mine yesterday. Very nice book! I love how big it is too.
post edited by A1MixMan - 2011/04/17 20:21:43

A1
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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/17 20:18:58 (permalink)
I highly recommend the SONAR X1 Power! book, available now in the Cakewalk Store.

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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/17 22:27:41 (permalink)
I've read a couple of your Sonar Power books Scott. They are quite good.
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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/17 22:32:55 (permalink)
garrigus


I highly recommend the SONAR X1 Power! book, available now in the Cakewalk Store.


BUT are they bundling it with power fly fishing  ? what you mean you haven't written it yet !!!

joking aside , searching for "Sonar X Power" got more results and search engine wise looking for "x1" causes confusion.. across the pond whoever distributes it, well aren't doing you any favours sales wise.. it's a hassle to get.. and one bunch of jokers are wanting $20 over it's RRP.

my regular for buying your book is bookfella's and their site says

"OUT OF STOCK. This item is awaiting reprinting by the publisher. "

pity as they are cheaper than Amazon.

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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/17 22:36:24 (permalink)
A1:

Those groove3 videos look awesome. I only wish the preview was on something other than the matrix. I really don't like composing like that but I definitely picked up some pointers nonetheless. I will definitely be purchasing these in the near future.

http://www.groove3.com/st...1-tips-and-tricks.html
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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/18 08:27:57 (permalink)
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I highly recommend the SONAR X1 Power! book, available now in the Cakewalk Store.

my regular for buying your book is bookfella's and their site says

"OUT OF STOCK. This item is awaiting reprinting by the publisher. "

pity as they are cheaper than Amazon.
Hey Fog,

Sorry about that... although, it always takes longer for the book to arrive outside the states. And it's been selling well... even Amazon sold out a few times. Cakewalk has it here in their store too. Unfortunately, there's nothing I can do about this type of thing.

I've put off Fly Fishing Power until retirement... when I can fish all day and write in-between catches.

Thanks!
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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/23 12:16:35 (permalink)
instantdan


A1:

Those groove3 videos look awesome. I only wish the preview was on something other than the matrix. I really don't like composing like that but I definitely picked up some pointers nonetheless. I will definitely be purchasing these in the near future.

http://www.groove3.com/st...1-tips-and-tricks.html




Just to let you know - we've changed the preview video. 

Eli Krantzberg
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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/23 13:22:30 (permalink)
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instantdan


A1:

Those groove3 videos look awesome. I only wish the preview was on something other than the matrix. I really don't like composing like that but I definitely picked up some pointers nonetheless. I will definitely be purchasing these in the near future.

http://www.groove3.com/str/sonar-x1-tips-and-tricks.html




Just to let you know - we've changed the preview video. 

Eli Krantzberg


nice eli..good news..i love these vids.i know ive told you before,but i look forward to all feture release by you and the groove crew

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Re:I feel slow in X1 - way to revert to old track-view tools 2011/04/23 15:26:31 (permalink)
Eli,

Just checked the preview video and I think for the first time I understood the setup of the gating effect you present in that video. Nice.

I haven't purchased the entire video yet, but will.

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