How long will PCI be around?

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2011/08/09 20:12:34 (permalink)

How long will PCI be around?

With the advent of PCIe, any guesses on how long PCI will be available on motherboards?
I'm trying to figure out what to do about getting a new sound card. RME has a couple PCI's and their more expensive PCIe counterparts. It really burns my a**, in that RME dropped support on my 9652. So, I can't get 64 bit drivers. Nothing wrong with my card except'n if I want to move on to the future.

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    Beagle
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    Re:How long will PCI be around? 2011/08/09 21:21:08 (permalink)
    I still have some ISA cards...

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    Re:How long will PCI be around? 2011/08/09 21:34:28 (permalink)
    If you can get a PCI card at a good/great price... or you feel that you'll get your money's worth in 3-4 years, I wouldn't worry about going PCI.  If the cost is similar, it makes sense to go PCIe... as it'll have a longer shelf-life.
     
    PCI has been on the way out for several years now... but most motherboards have at least 1 PCI slot.
    Socket 1155 mobos typically have 2 or 3 PCI slots.
     

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    Re:How long will PCI be around? 2011/08/10 02:27:34 (permalink)
    I was shopping around for a motherboard last December.  I didn't need PCI, but I couldn't find any boards at all without a PCI slot.

    post edited by Kev999 - 2011/08/10 03:56:15

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    Re:How long will PCI be around? 2011/08/10 07:26:40 (permalink)
    Thanks guys.

    Kev, according to Newegg, you have 1 PCI slot:)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128413



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    Re:How long will PCI be around? 2011/08/10 07:46:15 (permalink)
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    Kev, according to Newegg, you have 1 PCI slot:)
    Correct.

    Like I said, there were no boards without PCI.

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    Re:How long will PCI be around? 2011/08/10 08:12:47 (permalink)
    :)
    oops
    I Mis-read..


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    Re:How long will PCI be around? 2011/08/10 08:42:15 (permalink)
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    With the advent of PCIe, any guesses on how long PCI will be available on motherboards?
    I'm trying to figure out what to do about getting a new sound card. RME has a couple PCI's and their more expensive PCIe counterparts. It really burns my a**, in that RME dropped support on my 9652. So, I can't get 64 bit drivers. Nothing wrong with my card except'n if I want to move on to the future.


    That's the same thing that happened to me back in the W95 days. I was using Windows 95 and had CWP8 with a Dman PCI soundcard. Life was good.
    Then, since the computer did double duty for business, I needed to upgrade the OS to run the latest version of the business software I was using..... That's when I discovered that the Dman was not supported on XP and no plans to do so.

    Still have the Dman and the CWP8 if anyone is running W95 for an OS....

    I hate it when that happens.

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    Re:How long will PCI be around? 2011/08/10 09:02:11 (permalink)
    PCI is pretty much dead. i was surprised to see any of the new X79 motherboards with PCI.. most did NOT have 1
    PCI is NOT native on present Sandy Bridge and does not work right, on upcoming Sandy E it will also NOT be native and most likely will not work right for interfaces either.

    one would have to be foolish to invest in a PCI card at this point.


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    Re:How long will PCI be around? 2011/08/10 09:49:09 (permalink)
    Hi Scott,
     
    FWIW, Most of our clients have moved away from using PCI.
    That said, we've had good luck with those still using them.
    M-Audio, RME, and Echo units are working with the socket 1155 motherboards we're using. 
     
    I believe Tim is running X58 or earlier (correct me if I'm wrong)... so he shouldn't have a problem with a PCI unit.
    Again, only if the price is right... (or you know you'll get your money's worth within the next machine)
     

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    Re:How long will PCI be around? 2011/08/10 10:17:54 (permalink)
    Hmmm..

    Echo Mia No go, Audiophile no go, Delta 44 no go, Lynx No go, RME Madi no go. UAD 1 no go. not sure on a 9652
    thats 3 different 1155 manufacturers.
      P67 and Z68
    whats odd is when they first came out i know the UAD1 and RME worked.. H67 and P67

    also have a email confirmation from 3rd level Intel engineers saying yes there is an issue with PCI and the ITE chip they are using (PCI to PCIe bridge)

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    Re:How long will PCI be around? 2011/08/10 11:55:16 (permalink)
    Thanks guys.

    Scott. I don't know what X58 is. Now I do (googled). No, LOL, Haven't got there YET........
    I have an Asus A8V and AMD|ATHLON 64 X2 3800+ that is 5 years old.

    Buying a new computer plus an $800 sound card just ain't in the cards (no pun).
    So, now you guys have got me thinkin I should grab one of these new boards with PCI (and PCIe), use my old RME, and stay 32 bit Win7 on a new i7 build. At least I'll get the processing end of things improved. Memory would be stuck at 4 gigs though.

    Would I get good enough latency on a sandy bridge i7 2600 in 32 bit mode to play numerous VSTs in REAL time.
    I would like to use Kontact and Stylus (and all other VSTs) more but they just bring my box to it's knees.


    edit:
    hmm. sorry, I missed what Scott said about the PCI buss not working. hmm. Well, that, um, sucks.
    back to the drawing board.
    Thanks

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    Re:How long will PCI be around? 2011/08/10 17:00:34 (permalink)
    Sad news. I still love my Echo Layla 24/96    

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    Re:How long will PCI be around? 2011/08/10 17:15:02 (permalink)
    hope is not yet lost... Jim said he had a layla working...

    also Tim RME "Might" work
    will have an answer today hopefully i have a few RME PCI cards laying about to test with might be tomorrow..

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    Re:How long will PCI be around? 2011/08/10 19:10:38 (permalink)
    Cool Scott. Thanks.

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    Re:How long will PCI be around? 2011/08/11 13:52:09 (permalink)
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    hope is not yet lost... Jim said he had a layla working...

    also Tim RME "Might" work
    will have an answer today hopefully i have a few RME PCI cards laying about to test with might be tomorrow..


    Awesome! Thanks for your input on the forums its really appreciated!
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    . 2011/08/11 15:52:50 (permalink)
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    Re:How long will PCI be around? 2011/08/11 16:19:19 (permalink)
    Hi Mike,
     
    FWIW, It's PCI (not PCIe) that can be problematic. 

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    Re:How long will PCI be around? 2011/08/12 13:44:49 (permalink)
    Hey Guys got an update..

    RME PCI smaller cards (not Madi) works on sandy.. and dont ask what board.

    however Audiophile, Echo mia, Delta series, UAD1, Lynx Still no go..

    hmm you know i need to check the Echo mia that might have been on the H55 MATX board..

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    Re:How long will PCI be around? 2011/08/12 15:19:41 (permalink)
    Do you mean in 64 bit Scott?
    Which card?


    Thanks for checkin this out.
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    Re:How long will PCI be around? 2011/08/13 11:18:15 (permalink)
    64 or 32 is irrelevant any RME PCI other than Madi 

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    Re:How long will PCI be around? 2011/08/13 20:22:00 (permalink)
    That's great Scott. I guess Ill give it a go. What drivers did you use? 

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    Re:How long will PCI be around? 2011/08/13 23:06:32 (permalink)
    what sucks is that my Layla 3G sounds just fine on XP, and upgrading isn't going to make my recordings sound better..  I know that after recording for 40 years...  but only will just keep things "current" and let one use the latest software
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    Re:How long will PCI be around? 2011/08/14 14:17:39 (permalink)
    My system is a Roseberry i7 Pro Studio that is about a year and half old with one PCI slot.  The PCI slot is used for a Delta 1010 that is probably about 5 years old.  I also upgraded to Sonar 8.5 PE 64 soon after investing in the i7 computer.

    I am really happy with my decision to upgrade the DAW to 64 bit while using my older PCI based Delta.

    Eventually I will update the interface … possibly to an RME product … I just haven’t decided on how I am going to get from the breakout box to the computer (PCIe, USB, Firewire ???) and I will make that decision when I can justify making the purchase.

    As a relevant side note, I use computers and hardware longer than their obsolescence cycle and I try to choose technology that is established and has developed a reputation for being robust and stable.  Also,  I keep some of my older machines with their obsolete operating systems, software and hardware in a closet just in case I need to access obsolete technology.

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    Re:How long will PCI be around? 2011/08/17 10:27:03 (permalink)
    Just an FYI...

    I'm running a i7 2600k with a Lynx AES-16 (PCI version) audio card and a UAD-1 (PCI version) successfully.

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