*** Problem w/ copying and pasting automation ***

Currently having an issue w/ copy and paste on an automation envelope for a synth.  Have some automation going on during the hook of a song and I'm trying to copy and paste the automation to the rest of the hooks on the song so that they're all the same. 
 
For some reason everytime I try to paste, it is pasting the automation to an "orphaned" envelope that doesn't exist.  No matter what I do it keeps doing this and I can't figure out why.  Never ran into this issue before.  Really don't want to redo all that automation for every hook on the song as that would be a bit tedious and time consuming.  Plus I just want to solve the problem for future reference. 
 
Anyone seen this before and/or know a possible solution?

Thanks, but it's not a simple instrument track.

brundlefly


So what exactly do you mean by orphaned, non-existent envelope? What does that look like? Sort of sounds like a simple failure to copy or paste because automation is not checked in either the copy or paste (Advanced) dialogs.

Basically, when I copy the section I want to duplicate, instead of it pasting onto the same envelope, it pastes onto a new or "orphaned" envelope that isn't assigned to any parameter and when you hover the mouse over any section of that envelope it reads "orphaned". 
 
I've went through and made sure all other envelopes were deleted and it still keeps doing the same thing. 
 
And automation is definitely checked in all dialog boxes.  I've even checked the advanced paste settings to be sure.

Yes.  I inserted a synth (SubBoomBass) with all synth outputs checked which creates the folder track with the audio and midi track for the synth.  Played a bassline and automated the "Free LFO Dest" parameter on some parts.  It is on the audio track as that is the only place where the synth automation options are available.  Tried to copy and paste the automation to the other hooks in the song but it won't paste onto the selected envelope.  When I paste, it creates a new envelope that isn't assigned to anything (orphaned) and pastes the nodes there. 

It will NOT allow me to assign the envelope to any of the parameters of the synth.  When I got to "assign envelope" on the orphaned envelope, the only options available are automated mute, pan, volume, and parameters for the Pro-Channel. 

Tried opening a brand new project and this behavior continued.  Even tried out on different synths to make sure it wasn't something w/ that particular synth and still the same thing.  However, it only seems to happen when trying to copy/paste automation w/ synth parameters.  All seems to be correct when copying and pasting automation for basic track functions like pan, volume, etc. that are not directly from the synth. 

I'm thinking this may actually be a bug as I've never seen this prior to using Producer Expanded w/ the latest QuickFix.  I hope I am wrong though b/c if this slipped by people at Cake that really worries me. 

Are you or anyone else able to recreate this??? I HAVE to be doing something wrong.  No way something that big went unnoticed.

not quite the same issue as you but i've opened two bug reports from when X1 first came out regarding copying synth automation.  it's still broken.

CWBRN-3595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Utkbf0UDtTw&feature=player_embedded


and CWBRN-5980.

maybe one of these days they'll fix it.

"Wow! Seriously Cakewalk??? Since '08? Over 3 years and this still hasn't been fixed??? SMH!!! "? hello and welcome to our world

The thing is, I feel like this is a very basic/essential function that any serious DAW should be able to accomplish fairly easily. Yet it's been broken and a known problem for over 3 yrs. I would love to hear from one of the Cakewalk people on this one.
 
I know ba_midi does mainly electronic/dance music iirc. Would like to know if this issue has given him, or any others in that genre, trouble.

Yet it's been broken and a known problem for over 3 yrs.

I just got around to double-checking this in 8.5.3, and it worked perfectly there. So apparently it was fixed at some point, and has been broken anew in X1. My money is on it being some side-effect of the dastardly Edit Filter - my least-appreciated new feature.


I'm going to file a new bug report.

The problem still exists in X1d (not using an simple instrument track, since they are broken in several ways).

Anyone found a workaround yet?

I can't even reassign the orphaned envelope, because the VSTi-Parameters (of KORE2) don't show up in the popup-menu (only standard parameters).

Seriously? We can't copy automation? Erm ... seriously?



I guess the workaround is called X2 ...

you said you were using a synth with multi audio outs if i read right.  when you insert a synth there is a dropdown at the bottom of the options box that says "display synth automation on".  you can only specify one track for the automation of the synth to be on.  makes it a pain working with multis that can be in aria and kontakt for example because each instrument will be going to a different audio output but the automation can only be on one.  long story short, when you copy and paste automation, you have to paste the automation to the track you specified when inserting the synth otherwise you'll get the orphaned issue.  if you want to copy/duplicate the automation from one parameter to another you need to select the automation and copy, then assign the existing automation to the parameter you want to copy it to, then paste the original automation back in.

hth.

vid.
 

hey, sharke... that;s a weird problem the removing but still getting applied. you're using x2, so have you tried just expanding the automation lanes and disabling read automation for the erroneous lane?

wow that is just totally bizarre. never had the automation stick around. you're right-clicking the envelope and selecting delete automation, right?

neat! something new to look forward to! yay!

yeah noel, i applaud the automation makeover in x2 and i have had absolutely no problems i can report with it, but it sounds like sharke is right-clicking the envelope and choosing delete automation from the context menu.  i have never encountered this, so i can't confirm automation persisting after delete.  

@sharke - if you delete automation then close and reopen the project does the problem persist?

Ah, I see....so "remove automation lane" just hides it from view in the same way as the + and - buttons.

I think calling it "remove" is what confused me. Maybe "hide" would be more appropriate?