Vincentsemper
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Icon Qcon Control Surface and Sonar x1
Hello,
I wish you Happy new year !
I hope the new year will be for me the move from Cubase i currently use to Sonar X1 but i have the Qcon Icon control surface and it seem it is not supported in Sonar also if it is Mackie Control compatible.
Is someone able to give me support ?
Many thanks in advance.
Vincent
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sawshark
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Re:Icon Qcon Control Surface and Sonar x1
2012/01/06 18:59:22
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Hello Vincent,
The Icon Qcon is not fully MCU compatible. The main problem is the MCU-Handshake. Sonar send a Sysex(are you a MCU? Version? ID?...) and the Qcon don't transmit an 'answer-sysex'. I hope ICON fix this problem (but I do not think so)!
If you are tricky you can send the answer-sysex with midiox!
Sorry for my bad english!
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adrian4u
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Re:Icon Qcon Control Surface and Sonar x1
2012/01/07 00:01:26
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can you give example or fix using MIDIOX?
It'll be great to "cheat" Sonar using BCR2000 custom Mackie Mode :)
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sawshark
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Re:Icon Qcon Control Surface and Sonar x1
2012/01/07 07:06:30
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☄ Helpfulby iformosa 2016/06/17 14:20:13
Hello there,
I found an easier way, without MIDI-OX.
You'll need a second MIDI Port!
Step by step:
- switch on iCON QCON: Cubase Mode
- Run SONAR
- Open a Project(or crate an new Project)
- Press "P"(Preferences) and click Control Surfaces
- Change your In Port to your second MIDI Port and click OK
- Connect your MIDI IN of your second MIDI Port with your MIDI OUT of your second MIDI Port (I know it's bad!)
- Press ALT+SHIFT+7 to open the SYSEX-View, create a new SYSEX: F0 00 00 66 14 1B 58 59 5A 00 00 00 00 F7 (save it!)
- send the SYSEX to your second MIDI (The faders of the QCON move and the Display show some information!)
- disconnect the "MIDI loop" of your second MIDI port
- Set the IN Port of your Control Surface back to "iCON Qcon Ver1.0x" (Preferences --> Control Surfaces)
Sorry for my bad English!
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adrian4u
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Re:Icon Qcon Control Surface and Sonar x1
2012/01/07 09:53:29
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sawshark
- Change your In Port to your second MIDI Port and click OK
- Connect your MIDI IN of your second MIDI Port with your MIDI OUT of your second MIDI Port (I know it's bad!)
- Press ALT+SHIFT+7 to open the SYSEX-View, create a new SYSEX: F0 00 00 66 14 1B 58 59 5A 00 00 00 00 F7 (save it!)
- send the SYSEX to your second MIDI (The faders of the QCON move and the Display show some information!)
can you describe it more detailed? what "second midi port"?
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sawshark
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Re:Icon Qcon Control Surface and Sonar x1
2012/01/07 12:09:14
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Hello adrian4u,
in my SONAR configuration the iCON Qcon Ver1.0x is the first MIDI Port. The "second MIDI port" means a further MIDI Port(ex. USB MIDI interface).
I don't own a BCF-R2000 controler.
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Vincentsemper
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Re:Icon Qcon Control Surface and Sonar x1
2012/02/03 07:16:56
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sawshark
Hello adrian4u,
in my SONAR configuration the iCON Qcon Ver1.0x is the first MIDI Port. The "second MIDI port" means a further MIDI Port(ex. USB MIDI interface).
I don't own a BCF-R2000 controler.
Hi sawshark, and thank you for you support. Sorry i'm late in my reply. So you are able to let the Icon Qcon work properly with Sonar x1 ? This way it is as a Mackie also with the display and all the buttons working ? Thank you so much in advance i will try to follow your procedure. I hope Icon will do something for the Qcon but i'm not sure, they didn't reply from so long time. I hope to be able to do what you suggest. many thanks Vincent
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Vincentsemper
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Re:Icon Qcon Control Surface and Sonar x1
2012/02/04 03:42:01
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Sawshark, unfortunatly there is something wrong in my understanding.
What do you mean in the steps:
- Change your In Port to your second MIDI Port and click OK
- Connect your MIDI IN of your second MIDI Port with your MIDI OUT of your second MIDI Port (I know it's bad!)
I did it but nothing happen. Probably i'm in fault.
Would you be so kind to hardcopy the screens if you can or to explain the process in detail.
Sorry but i'm a noob !
thank you so much.
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Vincentsemper
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Re:Icon Qcon Control Surface and Sonar x1
2012/02/05 03:22:30
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OK it's working. My fault.
Thank you so much. The qcon is working fine with Sonar with this workaround. Almost all functions are mapped and the lcd display is working ! Great !!
My problem now is that the second fader is no more touch sensible. I dont think the problem is related to the workaround but i made the tentative to refresh the firmware. Also after the firmware reset the problem is still the same. I think it's an hardware problem and also with Cubase the second fader is not working fine.
Have u a suggestion or do u think the unit need assistance (after only one month is a pity).
Thanks again !
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sawshark
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Re:Icon Qcon Control Surface and Sonar x1
2012/02/10 07:07:27
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Hello Vincentsemper, hold F6(QCon) and torn on the QCon to enter the "Touch Sensitivity test" mode. If you press the "DAW 1" button the display shows some more information. With the "<<" and the ">>" buttons you can change the senstivity from 01 to 10.
post edited by sawshark - 2012/02/10 07:50:24
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dimikord
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Re:Icon Qcon Control Surface and Sonar x1
2012/09/01 07:53:30
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sawshark thank you! i try your midi message,and solve all problems with my us-2400 tascam controller! i have plus the icon icontrols,the small qcon brother,and this working perfect with your method in sonar x1! best regards
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sdupayage
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Re:Icon Qcon Control Surface and Sonar x1
2012/09/22 02:53:55
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Hi SawShark, Thank you for the tip it works great. I have though 2 questions: 1/ Is there a way to automatize this so each time you open Sonar you don't have to trick it again? 2/ What SysEx to send to the QCon Pro EX module? If you send the same SysEx it behaves as a copy of the main module... Thanks, Stéphane
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Re:Icon Qcon Control Surface and Sonar x1
2012/09/22 11:00:29
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Well I got it working. I simply had to understand how Sonar works with Control Surfaces...
No need to have a different Sysex, I simply used the same for the QCon EX but I have set it as Mackie-XT and then customized the layout in the main Mackie control surface option menu.
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linusvp
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Re:Icon Qcon Control Surface and Sonar x1
2012/11/13 10:55:26
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Sorry to bump this thread.
I have an icon iControls Pro and am trying to get it to run with Sonar X1d with no luck. I'm running the latest firmware on the iControls and have the iMap software installed on my system.
I'm confused as to what's the best approach to get this running with Sonar X1d in both directions as it appears the above suggestions are a bit hard to understand and vary.
Would someone be so kind as to post a step by step?
Thanks a million!
Josh
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gatehousestudios
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Re:Icon Qcon Control Surface and Sonar x1
2015/01/24 11:45:08
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Thank you sawshark for that workaround..got the qcon working. was a little confusing so if its any help ill try to explain how i did it below.
Firstly turn on qconpro cubase mode (oor nuendo seems to work the same).
start sonar.
Then I used a physical midi in out box connected to pc via usb which now sits on top on desk for easy access as youll need it every time you load sonar!
Connect the midi in and out using a midi lead.
in sonar go to edit preferences midi devices and ensure the icon and usb midi are highlighted on ins and outs.
go to controllers and in the first line add mackie control...in as your usb midi device and out as your icon pro
second line add mackie control.. in and outs as your usb midi device.
Now load or create a new project.
Click view.. sysex
in the first line add the sysex code as sawshark mentioned.
choose output 2
then send.
also save this sysex file so you can load it in each new project.
If youve done this right the qcon will light up.
Next disconnect the midi lead on your usb device.
in edit preferences change back the controller in line one in as qcon.
Sounds trickier than it is but after a while it gets easier.. it is a pain and appears to need to be done every time you load sonar.
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gatehousestudios
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Re:Icon Qcon Control Surface and Sonar x1
2015/01/24 12:08:49
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After a couple of days testing the qcon with sonar have a few issues that I was hoping someone could answer!
Firstly what are the vpots doing..seems completely random when displaying pan.
Secondly The timecode isnt coming through on the right hand display.
Thirdly to be able to switch back and forth with the busses.(like you can with the mackie control).pressed varius buttons to see what they did and pressing vst( as per cubase overlay) switched the faders to the busses.. great! But now cannot find any button that switches back to tracks so having to turn qcon off and on again.. any ideas?
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iformosa
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Re:Icon Qcon Control Surface and Sonar x1
2016/06/17 14:05:10
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Thank you sawshark, I tried this on Sonar Platinum and it worked. The only bit I had to figure out was sending the sysex to the correct port. In my case this was port 3 (selecting between 1-4).
post edited by iformosa - 2016/06/17 14:27:59
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