X1d will not send cc values to slave PC on any midi channel other than 1.

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2012/03/05 17:33:24 (permalink)

X1d will not send cc values to slave PC on any midi channel other than 1.

Hey Cakewalk guys. I submitted this as 5448 in June last year. Two maintenance releases later and
you still don't have it fixed. What's it going to take????  This didn't work in 7, 8, or 8.5 either. How hard
can this be for cryin' out loud? You send cc info out on channel 1. Just send cc info out on channels 2-16.
Should be duck soup. I could probably have coded it myself by now. A DAW that won't record correctly is
of no use to me. Fix it por favor.
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    mcdroid
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    Re:X1d will not send cc values to slave PC on any midi channel other than 1. 2012/03/06 14:43:21 (permalink)
    FWIW: I also reported it against X1 - CWBRN-7255 and gave very detailed instructions on how to reproduce. CW did at least update the problem report's status to "under investigation".. but sounds like it has not been fixed. For those of us who use hardware synths, CC's (and MIDI browser preview for that matter + other things related to MIDI) are much needed in Sonar.
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    peregrine
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    Re:X1d will not send cc values to slave PC on any midi channel other than 1. 2012/03/07 12:15:24 (permalink)
    bump - hey Cakewalk guys

    Brandon? Seth? Anybody?

    When will I be able to use SONAR to actually record anything?
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    bvideo
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    Re:X1d will not send cc values to slave PC on any midi channel other than 1. 2012/03/07 12:59:11 (permalink)
    mcdroid - no one here can read your CWBRN. I have no trouble recording and playing back volume CC messages on a single track with multiple channels other than 1 from and to external equipment. Would you want to describe your instructions here ?
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    Re:X1d will not send cc values to slave PC on any midi channel other than 1. 2012/03/07 16:15:01 (permalink)
    Inputting cc events and getting playback is not the issue. That much works just fine. When you try a real time bounce of a track sending cc events on channels other than 1, you will get no cc responses on a slaved computer. This has already been acknowledged as a problem by Cakewalk, and is waiting to get enough priority to be assigned to a maintenance release. What I want to know is how much longer this is going to take. I'm fresh out of patience here.
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    Re:X1d will not send cc values to slave PC on any midi channel other than 1. 2012/03/07 16:39:27 (permalink)
    I concur w/Peregrine. At least for me, it happens when you are using envelopes in the track view - not when you are adding/editing CC events in the PRV. CC events in PRV seem to work fine on any MIDI channel and with any synth I have. The problem I see is when you are drawing envelopes with a CC (and others MIDI msgs??? not sure) in the track view (MIDI track) on other than CH1. A workaround I use (and I re-verified this on X1D today) is to edit the envelope, and then right-click on it to "reassign" the envelope to the desired MIDI channel - it now works as expected.
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    Re:X1d will not send cc values to slave PC on any midi channel other than 1. 2012/03/07 17:50:35 (permalink)
    mcdroid -- If you are talking about adding a new envelope, I see what you mean: click on the edit filter, go to automation ->, go to the bottom and select "midi..." then select the message type, controller type, and midi channel and it doesn't play on the right channel. And then when selecting the envelope and reassigning to the same channel, it it gets done right.

    What I did was convert an existing sequence of controller events already on the desired channel to an envelope and it worked ok. Using the "clips" menu "convert MIDI controllers to envelopes. There is no option to change the channel, just selecting the channel and message type to convert.

    It's kind of annoying that there doesn't seem to be a way to look at the midi channel for an envelope. Even the event list refuses -- it says "n/a" in the channel column for shape events.

    As far as real-time bounce with live audible input, I see the problem with the envelopes not transmitting. CC events transmit OK, but not envelopes. [ Oddly, I would have chosen "record" rather than bounce, and that seems to work with envelopes. Any reason to use "bounce" in this scenario but not "record"? ]

    Bill B

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    peregrine
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    Re:X1d will not send cc values to slave PC on any midi channel other than 1. 2012/03/07 20:42:49 (permalink)
    Fine. How do you record incoming audio on a synth track?
     
    Looks like Panu is having envelope problems too.
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    Re:X1d will not send cc values to slave PC on any midi channel other than 1. 2012/03/08 09:37:49 (permalink)
    peregrine -- If you are talking about a synth track, then we are talking about two completely different things. I and mcdroid were talking about external synths. They would be recorded on normal audio tracks, though real-time live audible bounce can capture them as well.
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    Re:X1d will not send cc values to slave PC on any midi channel other than 1. 2012/03/08 15:21:24 (permalink)
    Bill - are you getting audio back from the external soundcard?

    Brandon, Seth - I'm still waiting to hear from either of you. When will this problem get fixed?
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    Re:X1d will not send cc values to slave PC on any midi channel other than 1. 2012/03/08 17:24:41 (permalink)
    peregrine -- Yes, my synths are connected to a multichannel external interface. I can either listen to them externally or bring the audio into tracks in Sonar. Does your slave PC hookup look more like a VSTi than a sound card? That would explain why you need live bounce.

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    peregrine
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    Re:X1d will not send cc values to slave PC on any midi channel other than 1. 2012/03/14 11:34:55 (permalink)
    Yes, I need real-time bounce, to/from external devices, on multiple midi channels.

    Brandon, Seth, Neil, would any of you please tell me when this is going to be fixed? I'm begging.
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    Re:X1d will not send cc values to slave PC on any midi channel other than 1. 2012/03/21 15:32:59 (permalink)
    Cakewalk guys - I'll tell you what - just forget about fixing this - we're getting really good at shipping midi files to Cubase and
    processing the audio there. And we love spending all the extra work time involved with that as well as the admin stuff like backups
    and documentation etc. We're actually even getting fewer headaches lately. And Cubase has just been AMAZING for its
    operational stability. In a way, all of these SONAR problems have turned out to be a blessing of sorts. But don't worry. Just because
    SONAR won't record correctly, it doesn't mean we're going to throw it out. We'll still be your customers. Well, I've got work to do.
    Again, sorry if my complaints have been a pain in any way.
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