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2012/03/08 06:38:24 (permalink)

octa capture

Thinking of going down the usb 2.0 route for my new interface.

After lots of searching the two that interest me the most are

Octo Capture

RME Fireface UC

Round trip latency is an issue for me so wondered what kind of numbers people are getting.

Also how do they perform in general? Ive heard that the latest firmware/drivers for the octo have increased latency, hence my question here as cannot find any up to date info.

Running X1 expanded win7 x64  amd x6 4 gig ram

Any experiences shared would be most appreciated

Thanks

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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/08 06:57:01 (permalink)
    I bought an Octa-Capture about two months ago, to replace a dead Saffire Pro 40 (firewire).   Craig Anderton has a very in depth review of the Octa-Capture on harmony central.   It's been working without problems, basically I power it on and it works.  It's set at the initial default buffer size and I haven't had a need to change it, although I could get lower latency if I needed it.

    I was done with firewire (which many say is on the way out) and it's finickyness with firewire chips in the PC (I have a T.I. chipset) (and higher latency than USB).

    The hardware section of the forum has some threads on the Octa-Capture

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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/08 07:21:46 (permalink)
    I too have OCTApus... works great for me... latency is a problem for me but not because of the OCTA... working in PURE audio the thing screams....  working with VSTs ON (I have UAD2) is an issue when I try to track a VSTi instrument but like I said, this issue has ZERO to do with the OCTA.

    You get a lot of bang for the buck but if you have external MIC Pre's, there is no way to bypass the PREs of the OCTA. But on the plus, with the GAIN of the external mic pre's, there is not need to PUSH the OCTA Pre's at all which when on high gain, have a bit of white noise.

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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/08 09:49:28 (permalink)
    It looks like both are evenly matched as far as latency is concerned. The Fireface lacks the effects the OC has which is not a big deal IMO.

    It depends what you want. You'll probably get better quality with the FF but the OC is no slouch at all.

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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/08 09:57:17 (permalink)
    I have the Fireface UFX and it is dynamite compare to my Tascam FW-1884 (which is now relegated to just a control surface).

    They say you can't go wrong with an RME. I believe them.
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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/08 10:11:41 (permalink)
    +1 with the octa capture, and it has nice preamps!



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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/08 11:07:41 (permalink)
    I have posted a lot of messages about the OctaCapture but my issues have to do with strapping two of them together on the newest version of the firmware. If you want to just use one then I think you will be very happy.

    I am very disappointed in the support I have received from Roland on my OctaCapture issues. Basically they have been completely useless and I still have not been able to get my two OctaCaptures to work correctly together. They were fine before the latest firmware. Alone they are each fine.

    I use the noise gate function on my OctaCapture which works well although I wish the gate/compression feature was analog but it comes after the pre-amps. I would never use the onboard reverb. The auto leveling function is a really great feature.

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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/08 22:00:20 (permalink)
    Ken,

    I don't have the octa capture yet, but was saving up for one, with further plan to get the second octa to link up. However after the firmware upgrade and reading about the problem you're facing, I decided not to proceed at the moment, till Roland solve the issue.

    I've written to Roland support about this, with a link to this thread, hopefully they will resolve the issue.
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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/09 00:50:29 (permalink)
    Got one - like it a lot.

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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/09 01:26:13 (permalink)
    The RME is the bets choice, but OctaCapture is the next choice imho!

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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/09 07:56:34 (permalink)
    I have to Octa and love it .  A few of the features I thought I would not really use or care about are some of my favorites now:  The auto-sense input levels is really nice, and generally dead on, and the monitoring effects (reverb for tracking) is extremely easy to use and very helpful.  

    I have even started using a touch of the compression on bass tracks on the way in, and it sounds great.  

    I can track with super low latency (I keep it set at 128 most of the time while tracking, but can go down if necessary)


    I know RME is great, but for the price, I'm not sure you can beat the Octa.

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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/09 12:17:08 (permalink)
    Thanks guys , some very interesting answers there. 

    I do use a fair amount of virtual inst, such as steven slate drums, garritan strings, plus all the x1 bundled stuff, so a playable latency is important to me. I only have a home studio so im not sure i would notice the audio quality difference in the RME that is indeed if there is one and at £750 instead of just over £500 for the Octa, im not sure thats justifiable, when i can probably spend the difference in ££ making my signal chain better quality elsewhere.

    I would actually like to do away with my huge mixing desk, as i have no real need for it, so the octa seems like an ideal solution. Real shame it only has one headphone ouptput tho

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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/09 12:25:59 (permalink)
    rme babyface for me!
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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/09 12:29:29 (permalink)
    yeah the babyface is kick ass, and so is the Octa offerings

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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/09 12:30:57 (permalink)
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    I too have OCTApus... works great for me... latency is a problem for me but not because of the OCTA... working in PURE audio the thing screams....  working with VSTs ON (I have UAD2) is an issue when I try to track a VSTi instrument but like I said, this issue has ZERO to do with the OCTA.

    You get a lot of bang for the buck but if you have external MIC Pre's, there is no way to bypass the PREs of the OCTA..
    I have the quad capturer . I use my focusrite pre's via the digital connection..Coaxial 

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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/09 12:50:31 (permalink)
    Hadn't considered the babyface, looks good!

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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/09 12:57:30 (permalink)
    Babyface is awesome man-

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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/09 15:21:14 (permalink)
    Tascam US-1800 here. 8 XLRs and 6 jacks = 14 analog inputs. Very good pre's, low noise and uncomplicated to use.
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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/09 16:11:52 (permalink)
    How is the low latency performance on the Tascam? That is a huge factor.

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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/09 17:45:07 (permalink)
    I use Sonar like a tape recorder and latency has never been an issue.

    If you could tell me how one measures it, I'll try find out. Does it have to do with the smallest buffer samples count before breakup?
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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/09 17:56:49 (permalink)
    Guys if you want a audio interface Motu bat well above their weight.  I have an ultralite and whilst the preamps arn't gold the different options available so you can connect better preamps make this a humdinger.

    IMHO the octo core or anything with multiple preamps except perhaps the presonus stuff are not worth the money.  I base this argument on what do you want? 50 cent preamps or do you want the money spent on better clock components and converters.

    I have a test list showing the various specs of most of the audio interface on the market if you are interested I will post a link.  Sorry I'm on my tablet and I don't have access to my favourite list but if you are interested let me know and I will post the link.

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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/09 21:11:38 (permalink)
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    I bought an Octa-Capture about two months ago, to replace a dead Saffire Pro 40 (firewire).   Craig Anderton has a very in depth review of the Octa-Capture on harmony central. 
    Indeed I do...it's a pro review with specs and all that good stuff.
    I've been very happy with it. You can't go wrong with either the Octa or the RME so the feature set is what will make the difference. My fave Octa-Capture features:
     
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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/09 21:22:30 (permalink)
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    fireberd


    I bought an Octa-Capture about two months ago, to replace a dead Saffire Pro 40 (firewire).   Craig Anderton has a very in depth review of the Octa-Capture on harmony central. 
    Indeed I do...it's a pro review with specs and all that good stuff.
    I've been very happy with it. You can't go wrong with either the Octa or the RME so the feature set is what will make the difference. My fave Octa-Capture features:
     
    * Auto-sens. At first I hought it was a gimmick, I was wrong.
    * 5-pin MIDI I/O
    * Expands the V-Studio 700 with zero issues
    * Eight mic pres with individual phantom power for each mic
    * Doesn't take up much space
    * Low latency
    Hey Craig,
    Have you expanded your V700 with an Octa-Capture with the latest firmware without any issues? If so I would love to see what your settings and physical interconnects are to compare them to my failed attempts to get this to work properly with the newest firmware. They used to work flawlessly together. Now it is a disaster still and no support from Roland. I am about ready to dive in and try to beat on it again to make it work right but any help would be greatly appreciated.


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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/10 01:02:56 (permalink)
    How are the OctaCapture preamps compared to the old Laya24? Noticeable difference?
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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/10 09:42:41 (permalink)
    The preamps on the OCTApus are pretty much neutral (which is what we want) except when you boost the gain, you can hear some white noise but the gain has to really be pumping... you should do some other gain staging prior to the preamp though if you need to pump the gain that high.... 

    Below these extreme gain settings, the OCTApus is very quiet.

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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/10 18:28:08 (permalink)
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    Hey Craig,
    Have you expanded your V700 with an Octa-Capture with the latest firmware without any issues? If so I would love to see what your settings and physical interconnects are to compare them to my failed attempts to get this to work properly with the newest firmware. They used to work flawlessly together. Now it is a disaster still and no support from Roland. I am about ready to dive in and try to beat on it again to make it work right but any help would be greatly appreciated.


    Ken
    First of all, have you downloaded the 2.0.1 driver for the VS-700? If you're still on 2.0.0, then trying to do expand will give a "version does not match" error message.
     
    Second, in Preferences, Sonar does not show the words "Octa-Capture." The OC I/O is referred to as "VS-700 EXP" so if you just glance at preferences, you might not think the OC is there.
     
    If you have the 2.0.1 driver and are still experiencing problems, circle back and we'll go to the next level. Do remember the VS-700 and OC USB have to feed off the same USB contoller.
     
    Everything works perfectly here, so it's definitely possible :)
     

     
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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/10 19:26:35 (permalink)
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    The RME is the bets choice, but OctaCapture is the next choice imho!

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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/11 00:47:53 (permalink)
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    inaheartbeat

    Hey Craig,
    Have you expanded your V700 with an Octa-Capture with the latest firmware without any issues? If so I would love to see what your settings and physical interconnects are to compare them to my failed attempts to get this to work properly with the newest firmware. They used to work flawlessly together. Now it is a disaster still and no support from Roland. I am about ready to dive in and try to beat on it again to make it work right but any help would be greatly appreciated.


    Ken
    First of all, have you downloaded the 2.0.1 driver for the VS-700? If you're still on 2.0.0, then trying to do expand will give a "version does not match" error message.
     
    Second, in Preferences, Sonar does not show the words "Octa-Capture." The OC I/O is referred to as "VS-700 EXP" so if you just glance at preferences, you might not think the OC is there.
     
    If you have the 2.0.1 driver and are still experiencing problems, circle back and we'll go to the next level. Do remember the VS-700 and OC USB have to feed off the same USB contoller.
     
    Everything works perfectly here, so it's definitely possible :)
     

     
    Craig,
    My bad on the way I worded this so let me be more specific. I am trying to use two Octa-Captures together at the same time rather than a VS-700 and an Octa-Capture. I have had major problems making them play together since I updated the firmware and driver to 2.0. They had been working perfectly with the original 1.0 drivers and firmware.


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    Re:octa capture 2012/03/11 08:58:24 (permalink)
    So, if you use many VSTi's in a project and then use lots of VSTs to mix, I have found that in order to track MIDI performances in real time and get the latency manageable, I need to DISABLE all FX in the bins to be able to use a controller to record a MIDI track without much latency.  This wasn't working for me so,

    I setup another computer to RUN a VSTi in standalone mode and then split my controller MIDI output to both computers... 

    this way, I am able to keep my SONAR track mixed with all of the FX, listen to it and then play my new TRACK part and use the standalone computer to trigger the sounds of the MIDI PART and then only use SONAR to record the MIDI part.  I have both audio outputs being sent to an outboard summing mixer so I can monitor my new part and hear the project audio at the same time.

    Works like a charm and I have SUPER LOW latency this way since my standalone VSTi COMPUTER is running nothing else other than a standalone version of my VSTi.

    Disabling the FX in SONAR is the only other option which took the groove out of the project.

    WORKS GREAT by the WAY.

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    Re:octa capture 2012/10/10 07:16:09 (permalink)
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    Hey Craig,
    Have you expanded your V700 with an Octa-Capture with the latest firmware without any issues? If so I would love to see what your settings and physical interconnects are to compare them to my failed attempts to get this to work properly with the newest firmware. They used to work flawlessly together. Now it is a disaster still and no support from Roland. I am about ready to dive in and try to beat on it again to make it work right but any help would be greatly appreciated.


    Ken
    First of all, have you downloaded the 2.0.1 driver for the VS-700? If you're still on 2.0.0, then trying to do expand will give a "version does not match" error message.
     
    Second, in Preferences, Sonar does not show the words "Octa-Capture." The OC I/O is referred to as "VS-700 EXP" so if you just glance at preferences, you might not think the OC is there.
     
    If you have the 2.0.1 driver and are still experiencing problems, circle back and we'll go to the next level. Do remember the VS-700 and OC USB have to feed off the same USB contoller.
     
    Everything works perfectly here, so it's definitely possible :)
     

     

    Hi Craig!
     
    I hope your system (VS-700 + Octa-Capture) still works as nicely as described and you might help me out as I cannot get mine to work even reasonably.
     
    FYI, I did read the manual, install everything as documented (2.0.1 driver), hook it up accordingly, set sync source to DIGITAL 1 on the VS-700 ...
     
    What I get is a totally mediocre / practically unusable latency i.e. I have to increase the ASIO buffer so much (up to 1024 as 512 still pops and cracks) that the latency is beyond anything you could use for tracking real instruments.
     
    This really puzzles me as the Octa-Capture did work nicely when paired with the VS-100 in my mobile rig, but with VS-700 it does not (same PC, only longer COAX cable and different USB 2.0 hub ... but I tried to swap the later 2 without success).
     
    Is my PC so under-spec'd for VS-700 + OctaCapture (manual say Intel(R)Core(TM)2 Quad or better) or is there something else that's wrong ...???
     
    I'd very much appreciate help from your end or from other fellow VS-700 owners
     
    Rob
     
     
     

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