DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO MAKE HIP HOP BEATS??? AND HOW DID YOU LEARN? A

I AM USING FL STUDIO FOR BEAT MAKING, IS THERE A SITE WERE THEY TEACH YOU STEP TO STEP OR ANYTHING , IT IS GETTING FUSTRATING  HIP HOP BEATS!!

Where do you live? There is a magazine in the UK called 'Computer Music', which has an article on making Hip Hop this month.

Don't feed the trolls.

There is an abundance of them on Youtube. The important thing to remember with hip hop that many don't realize its all about the groove and picking the right sounds. Also you may be better going to a forum with Fruity Loops users if you are using FruityLoops. If you need any more music production tips check out KevWestBeats.com

Its a 4 step process: follow these steps and Jay Z will be rapping to your beats in no time.

Step 1. Use your imagination to create an Intro, Verse, Hook, Pre Hook and Outro
Step 2. Refer to step 1
Step 3. Refer to step 2
Step 4. Refer to step 3

Staples has an Easy button when are you can just press one button and create the next #1 hit. You can try there also, but i prefer my steps.

Mixing Hip Hop is not true musical talent..... it is simply pseudo apparitions of musical talent. Do yourself and society as a whole a favor..... pursue real music..... it's not to be found in Hip Hop. 

Amour013


Mixing Hip Hop is not true musical talent..... it is simply pseudo apparitions of musical talent. Do yourself and society as a whole a favor..... pursue real music..... it's not to be found in Hip Hop. 

Man. I totally appreciate where your coming from but let's just appreciate the differences. I don't like Hip Hop either but the world would be a boring place if everyone liked the same thing.
 
There's good and bad in all forms of art. Some people make art out of collage. Some people are actually good at it. I think it's hokey, but people buy it. I suppose there are people good at paint by numbers too, but let them have that. If that's as far as creativity goes, good for them. 
It's just that statements like the one you posted can be taken in a very bad way very quickly.

Amour013


Mixing Hip Hop is not true musical talent..... it is simply pseudo apparitions of musical talent. Do yourself and society as a whole a favor..... pursue real music..... it's not to be found in Hip Hop. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-rZdfZfMPw

Was that loops though? That sounded like real musicians to me. A worthy listin. Thanks for posting. 

hueseph


Was that loops though? That sounded like real musicians to me. A worthy listin. Thanks for posting. 

More info...

http://www.cinematicorchestra.com/

"Mixing Hip Hop is not true musical talent..... it is simply pseudo apparitions of musical talent. Do yourself and society as a whole a favor..... pursue real music..... it's not to be found in Hip Hop." The RZA of the wu tang clan, said himself that up until about 1997 he couldnt of told you wat a "c" chord was, but between the years of 1993 and 1997, he must of produced about 7/8 multi platnum sellng albums, do the maths there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuHNkLbpLe4

hueseph

Amour013


Mixing Hip Hop is not true musical talent..... it is simply pseudo apparitions of musical talent. Do yourself and society as a whole a favor..... pursue real music..... it's not to be found in Hip Hop. 

Man. I totally appreciate where your coming from but let's just appreciate the differences. I don't like Hip Hop either but the world would be a boring place if everyone liked the same thing.
 
There's good and bad in all forms of art. Some people make art out of collage. Some people are actually good at it. I think it's hokey, but people buy it. I suppose there are people good at paint by numbers too, but let them have that. If that's as far as creativity goes, good for them. 
It's just that statements like the one you posted can be taken in a very bad way very quickly.

Ditto

+1 on Computer music magazine!

CJaysMusic


Its a 4 step process: follow these steps and Jay Z will be rapping to your beats in no time.

Step 1. Use your imagination to create an Intro, Verse, Hook, Pre Hook and Outro
Step 2. Refer to step 1
Step 3. Refer to step 2
Step 4. Refer to step 3

Staples has an Easy button when are you can just press one button and create the next #1 hit. You can try there also, but i prefer my steps.

cats out of the bag now. CJ.

Amour013


Mixing Hip Hop is not true musical talent..... it is simply pseudo apparitions of musical talent. Do yourself and society as a whole a favor..... pursue real music..... it's not to be found in Hip Hop. 
 
CJaysMusic
 
Its a 4 step process: follow these steps and Jay Z will be rapping to your beats in no time.

Step 1. Use your imagination to create an Intro, Verse, Hook, Pre Hook and Outro
Step 2. Refer to step 1
Step 3. Refer to step 2
Step 4. Refer to step 3

Staples has an Easy button when are you can just press one button and create the next #1 hit. You can try there also, but i prefer my steps.
 
Refering to the comments above....
While I agree that this question would probably have been better served in a FL forum ... I find these approaches .... interesting.  I have read very informative posts from CJ and at first glance found the post amusing ...  until I realized that there lacked any attempt to address the question. My impression went then from light humor to sarcastic disdain based upon some unknown (unknown to me). However I could be in error in my impressions and if so I digress my comment.
 
The first post however... is somewhtat offensive.  Offensive in what is overtly implied about the music genre (Folks in the 50s felt the same way about Rock, R&B ect) and offensive  in what is covertly expressed (at least to me) about the posters mindset (relating to the reasons folks in the 50s felt the way they did about the music genre's).
 
I am not sure who decides what is talent and what is not or what is music and what is not.. But I am absolutely convinced that it is not a poster in a DAW forum.  May the apprecation and respect of deltas and differences shine throught the mire of intolerance and myopic boundaries.

To say that hip hop is not "real music" I think is to look with prejudice on what is arguably an art form. 

I personally do not like it, don't listen to it, but appreciate the talent and skill needed to do it correctly. 

As an experiment a few weeks back I decided to create something from the loops that came with X1. All I did was string together some wave samples and this is the result>>> http://www.soundclick.com...84&songID=11450431

It took a bit of thought, and creativity to do this. And it was fun as well as interesting and educational.  The goal there was to use loops and not do anything that required a live keyboard..... I did play a simple one finger half & whole note synth line..... you hear it at the very beginning....through out and it's the last music in the end.... but it could easily have been moused in with staff or PRV. 


For the OP.... I have seen a number of talented folks on youtube with a sequencer (DAW like X1) and a few synths and a small keyboard and they create some pretty cool things in a matter of a few minutes. 

I'd search there if I was looking for instruction and guidance. 

i write beats for kids in my hood who think they can sing.
 it takes about 5 min out of my life to bake a 4 min song.
i know there art is in there words , and there is nothing ground breaking going on in the  hip hop beat world.
 wash beat, rince with new words,done hip hop 101

RealJUICCMAJOR


DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO MAKE HIP HOP  BEATS???

YES. Buy SONAR X1 and get Kontakt sampler and Stylus RMX-

  armour - that is one hell of an ignorant and misinformed comment you made. i am pretty confident you have no idea what you are talking about. On the mixing side of things you only have to look at some of the top professionals in the industry to get an idea of the skill and talent involved. Dave Pensado, and Pensado's place may teach you a thing or two. Ken Lewis does an incredible job of sample recreation, and musical arrangement for Kanye. On the production side of things, it can involve just about every genre and musician imaginable. While you may not enjoy the genre as a whole, it is extremely close minded of you to not appreciate it as music.

Your best bet is to experiment and then experiment some more. I'm assuming you can come up with ideas just by singing them and such the like. You'll just have to keep at it.

I don't like hip hop but I don't disrespect it. If you disrespect one form of music/art then you disrespect them all.

I WILL SAY THAT HIP HOP HAVE A LITTLE OF EVERYTHING , SO THERE IS NO LIMIT TO WHAT CAN BE DONE,
you can sample  grass grow and get it in a loop. it takes work and effort and some talent to write the flows. and beats

I don't personally care for Hip Hop as music (at least, not most of it). But as a working event-videographer I've developed an appreciation and respect for Hip Hop dancing. I enjoy watching a group of dancers make the same, complex moves at the same time. It reflects a good amout of practice and commitment.

to the OP. i think 1st you should identify with what style of "Hip-Hop" you want to make. there are many! find out who produces the style that you like and study them a little bit then put your own touch on that style. are you going to use samples? i think hip-hop is like any other style in that you have to feel it. i think alot of forum members dont agree with the negative messages being presented in main stream hip-hop but there are others like myself who bring a different light or message if you will to hip-hop. (Check my link below and have a listen to "One More Day") i have FL but i prefer to use Sonar for making Hip-Hop. FL is a pattern based sequencer but you can do that and more in Sonar, plus mixing is far more superior in Sonar so i just do it all here. some vst's were mentioned but i'd highly recommend adding Geist to your arsenal! it will take care of all of your drum needs and what ever drums you dont have you can just sample them. if i can help you be "productive" in anyway, get at me!

Peace & Light  

http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_3630884

To those who feel my comments were harsh, offensive, and came from a musically uneducated source that knows nothing about what he talks about.... I truly apologize if your feelings were hurt.
If you agree with my statements..... then thanks for understanding and supporting my viewpoints.
I am not against ANY musical genre....  I feel those that simply take someone else's musical talents, mixes them up, and refers to them as their own musical composition are doing nothing to enhance and encourage the individuals TRUE musical talent. Grab a rock, a stick, or pots and pans if that's what it takes to play an INSTRUMENT. That my friends.... is true musical talent.
My point being is, if we resort to expecting others to provide the medium..... then those providing the medium will become extinct.
Whatever it is you decide on.....  enjoy it. I would never want you to NOT enjoy what it is you do. Let's not defeat the gene pool wherein we eventually remove the true roots of musicianship.
And yes....  I'm an old fart.... if I was my age in the 50's instead of being born then, I would have thought that Rock & Roll was a fad that would eventually go away.
PEACE

I don't listen to a lot of hip hop but some of the, "good stuff" is extremely talented in both the lyrical and rhythmic sense and as for sampling other peoples music I have mixed feelings about that, I mean you can totally reinvent and create something quite different and wonderful by mixing up others peoples tunes but I sadly that's not the norm I know. I don't know what samples THIS came from but I can think of no finer example right now of what I call, "the good stuff".
It's not just hip hop that steals other peoples tunes either but perhaps it was pioneered by hip hop. 

 
What I abhor most in some of the stuff I hear is the rampant gratuitous, homophobia, misogyny,
racism, sexism and violent macho **** (Cow dung?) but then I hear a lot of that in heavy metal too. 

This is by no means hip hop but uses a sample from Bowies "suffragette City" to great effect although the timing is slightly adrift.

Steve

Since when did banging out the most overused set of progressions ever, twanging strings attached to a plank with it's signal passed through the most elemental examples of early electronics become a qualification to speak on behalf of a musical community.

There are many mansions in the musical kingdom, traditional methods all eventually pass into the passe.  Being stuck in a groove is just a cool sounding way of falling into a rut. Whether it's collage or paint, whatever gets produced is down to the artist.

As an old friend once told me. "You ain't the nazz, you're just a buzz, some kind of temporary".

Here, have a bang on this.....

As an old friend once told me. "You ain't the nazz, you're just a buzz, some kind of temporary".

Here, have a bang on this.....

Well said that man.
This old friend wouldn't have been a Mr Ziggy Stardust would he?
I believe Mr Bowie claimed he was "the Nazz" 

Steve

@ John Amour

I'm sorry I haven't taken offence I just can't stop laughing, it is difficult for us gentlemen of a certain vintage.

We were the only generation that didn't take into account that by rebelling against our parents telling us to grow-up all that's happened is that we've ended up with kids that are telling us to grow up even now.

I feel for you man, but trust me it's better just to embrace the ol' curmudgeon badge and wear it with pride rather than keep fighting it.  I've saved myself the spectre of walking down the street in a leather jacket and drainpipe jeans thinking how cool I am in my head while the neighbours are laughing at the eccentric ol' buffoon strutting his stuff still by wising up some. (Hopefully... )

It came as a shock at first but now I'm getting quite content with the fact that my parents were right about 'rock 'n roll'.  It ain't real music...but I like it.

The kids are alright, especially when I give them my love instead of my ideas.  They seem to be making out better than I did anyway....

Apologies to the OP also I clearly don't have a clue how to answer your question, I'm just here for the menopausal moment.

Great thread though, it's cheered this ol' man up no end.

The most amazing thing about hip hop, to me, is how the producers can sit thru the same monotonous beat and parts for hours and days and weeks and months  on end as they "create", and still come out at the end with cool (to some) freshness. Really, it would and does drive me nuts listening to the same thing over and over and over again. I think that's an artform.

it's better just to embrace the ol' curmudgeon badge and wear it with pride

Oh I do...... I do! ;-)

I can scarcely think of anything duller and less creative than an obsession with "real" instruments. 

John T


I can scarcely think of anything duller and less creative than an obsession with "real" instruments. 

Define "real".  I wouldn't want you discounting my comb and tissue paper combo without a proper critical listen first.

They seem to be making out better than I did anyway....

Jonbouy

Sorry.... I missed this. ;-)
Succumbing to popularity and seeking monetary gain ($$$) is not the bottom line for me in creating music..... "making it" due to deceptive practices is dishonesty. Writing music and performing it is a personal satisfaction for me. I care less about making a buck from it..... I'm not in it "for the money". For example, billions of dollars are collected in the illicit drug trade. It doesn't mean that those making the profits are doing the right thing.... it just means that their clients are the uneducated masses. 

I dunno. Plenty of educated people seem to like taking drugs. 

Bit of a dodgy analogy in all sorts of ways, this. 

Amour013

They seem to be making out better than I did anyway....

Jonbouy

Sorry.... I missed this. ;-)
Succumbing to popularity and seeking monetary gain ($$$) is not the bottom line for me in creating music..... "making it" due to deceptive practices is dishonesty. Writing music and performing it is a personal satisfaction for me. I care less about making a buck from it..... I'm not in it "for the money". For example, billions of dollars are collected in the illicit drug trade. It doesn't mean that those making the profits are doing the right thing.... it just means that their clients are the uneducated masses. 

Very noble.

I was referring to the general idea of kids having evolved some since when I was one.  Well mine are streets ahead of me at least in many, many ways.

It's breathtaking really.

....how did drug trade get into this.....?? 

Well, I think someone found themselves comparing urban and mainly black musical artists to criminals. Bit crass I thought. 

John T


I can scarcely think of anything duller and less creative than an obsession with "real" instruments. 

This I just can't agree with. It goes against any sensibility. Creativity belongs to the creator and not the instrument.  What I think Amour013 is getting at is the fact that much(most) of Hip Hop is based around loops and sampling music that already exists. One might take this as riding on the coat tails of someone elses talent, which it is to an extent. There are artists out there than manage to legitimize their art by using a real band but that is a small exception.
 
The same thing with much of Dance music. I would not pay to watch a guy "spin" records. He's really not spinning anything is he? He's just dropping a needle and pressing play, for the most part at least. I know that there are some "DJs" who are much more than that and that actually play keys and samples via an MPC type controller. But again, these are the exception.  Most DJ's don't do much more than press play. I wouldn't pay to be in their presence.  That's like going to an art museum to look at paint by numbers paintings.
 
It all comes down to what you value more, Norman Rockwell or the kid next door who got a new set of crayons and a Spider Man colouring book. Sure the kid might be great at colouring and hey, there is even work for skilled colourists but do you value him as you would Mr. Rockwell? I wouldn't.
 
Now, I'm not saying that all Hip Hop is bad. I don't beleive that. I'm just saying that I would appreciate a rapper with a live band more than a rapper with a guy pressing play.

What in earth does "goes against any sensibility" even mean? 

John T


I dunno. Plenty of educated people seem to like taking drugs. 

Being exposed to an education.... and actually getting educated are entirely two different things. Your analogy is even more distorted...... it's as if those who are "educated" are justified in their choice that they "like" to poison themselves.

Let's discuss music.....  LOL!

I mean, what if someone's sensibility is attuned towards music made in non traditional instruments? 

Well, I didn't bring up drug use. But the argument is a hopeless one. What are we saying here? That Thomas de Quincey: ignoramus. Coleridge? Thicko. I mean come on. 

John T


What in earth does "goes against any sensibility" even mean? 

So, you choose to focus on one sentance than direct your attention to anything else I said?
 
Dictionary.com:
 
    Sensibility:   keen consciousness or appreciation.
 
Maybe poorly chosen phrase but I stand by my intention. (the end or object intended; purpose. )
 
 
This thread is incredibly off topic.

I love that "I wouldn't pay to be in a dj's presence" thing. You must have some smokin' nights out. 

I don't think I'm proposing anything too radical to suggest that going to a place where records get played for the purposes of entertainment is, you know, fun, and that the people who are involved in making such events happen might reasonably expect to get paid for their time and effort. 

I think I still don't understand what your intention was, in that case. 

John T


Well, I think someone found themselves comparing urban and mainly black musical artists to criminals. Bit crass I thought. 

Your assumption is entirely wrong regarding this....... if in fact that someone was me.
It appears that it's you who is stereotyping and compartmentalizing individuals....  not me. You have no idea if I'm white, brown, black or green. You have no idea what neighborhoods I'm exposed to. You have no idea if I associate with criminals or not. So, please.... don't jump to these harsh conclusions. If anything here has been crass..... it's been your own reply.

PEACE

I'm kind of thinking about what 'non-traditional' would mean in this sense...

I think back to when I bought my Arp2600 in 1973...eeek!! was it that long ago??...and how I was looked at by some as someone who was going to steal the 'real' musician's jobs away from them..never mind that I was only 18 at the time and was in a group that tended towards more Guru Guru related freakouts.... There was a lot of strange tinfoil hat things going around then...


Now, we have people like Christian Marklay doing things like his music for 100 turntables thing...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yqM3dAqTzs or cross cultural non traditional things...

Hip hop is everywhere , it goes from Madonna , to black eyes pies , from M.I.A to Taylor the creator , impacted and still all the arts , impacted designners , dance, clothes , ect ....

Speak with any REAL ingeeners and you will see that one of the most reponsible genre of music that made mixing reach new limits , that make mixing go out of known limits ...is hip hop ...

A lot of styles have developped traditions in mixings (jazz , big band, country ect ...) and you have to fallow strict rules to make a mix considered like good ....but hip hop give the engineer an unlimited margin ...that's why it was a fresh air for the engineers .... and the fact that people that makes hip hop are everybody , engineers have to deal with an infinite type of mixing possibilities ....

To the OP , like in all kinda stuff :

1) Listen
2) Reproduce
3) Developpe
4) Create 

Have fun ....

Well, I can go t a club and pay a cover fee or buy the minimum drink and hear music. I can stay home and listen to music. I can wear headphones and walk around town listening to music. I will not pay to see some dude with a bad haircut dropping needles the same amount that I would pay to see a band perform their songs or a DJ performing songs for that matter. If I pay for a performance, I expect to see one. I don't know. Maybe I'm way off here but I expect an artist to earn his living the same way anyone else would.

Yeah, it does always somewhat amuse me, this blinking in befuddlement at these lumpen supposedly new forms of music. I've got an LP by a guy called Lightnin' Rod from 1971, which is basically prototype gangster rap. 

Level of difficulty does NOT define music desirability, ability, or quality.

hueseph


Well, I can go t a club and pay a cover fee or buy the minimum drink and hear music. I can stay home and listen to music. I can wear headphones and walk around town listening to music. I will not pay to see some dude with a bad haircut dropping needles the same amount that I would pay to see a band perform their songs or a DJ performing songs for that matter. If I pay for a performance, I expect to see one. I don't know. Maybe I'm way off here but I expect an artist to earn his living the same way anyone else would.

i'm totally agree with you ...but this is not hip hop this is some artists /studio rappers ...not mc's....i never seens so wak scenes as in USA ....the first country where i hear  artists singing on their instrumental + lyrics lol ....

I personally don't much care about the "how" of things, I'm interested in the end result. If something is interesting to listen to, then it's interesting to listen to, whether I think it was hard or easy to achieve. Conversely, if something isn't, then all the blood, sweat, tears and "real musicianship" in the world won't make it so. The trouble with the real musician argument is that it logically ends up suggesting that some dullard twanging out hack cliches on a guitar is intrinsically more exciting and interesting than The Prodigy. Which is self evident nonsense, whatever people's personal tastes might be. 

Oh yeah and those who are judging hip hop , base their thought on the crap they hear the radios ...
if i will judge pop according to what i'm hearing , it's gonna be super deep ....same for rock ect .....

it's like assimilating latina music to reggaeton (this is what's on radio there) !

Yeah, indeed. You can do that with any genre. I remember when I was a teenager, the only rock music that made it onto the radio was the really ghastly poodle rock stuff. You could quite easily make the lazy assumption that guitar music was, therefore, rubbish. 

Musicians - actually I prefer to say "instrument players", which I think is a slightly different thing - are often culturally incurious in this way, I find. 

my point is only....the ear of the beholder desides what is pleasurable

twisted6s


Level of difficulty does NOT define music desirability, ability, or quality.

Roger that!

Nor does genre for me, I just grab what grabs me. 

Genres just confuse me and music never quite fits into a particular pigeon hole that somebody would like to put it in. 

That's one of the good things about music, it doesn't need the boundaries that people usually like to use to highlight differences.

If a song needs a rap, then rap on it, if it needs a shred then shred on it, if it needs a loop then cut'n'paste, it's all just choices from a limitless palette.

To state that hip hop is monotonous is no more true than saying jazz is just noise, some jazz is just noise just as some hip hop is boring. Either thing if it is the good stuff is mind-blowing.  Mediocrity is always mediocre it has nothing to do with genre.

I personally have no use for Hip Hop, but how can people be so shallow as to dismiss it entirely and not respect others who like it? Everyone wants their freedom of speech, but they want to squash their neighbor's freedom of speech. Its always all about them, just like with politics and religion. Its absolutely disgusting what many people are. Some of you are so very shallow, so close minded, and generally just sad human beings. This forum and the world would be a better place without people who cannot be tolerant of others. Unfortunately this forum seems to protect a lot of close-minded thinking. Why do I come here again?

Has any one watched live versions of the "Prodigy-Breathe"?? 

Hilairious...where the studio version is incredible,when its done live,its amazing in its non-musicality.