Basic MIDI question

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2012/03/14 01:57:46 (permalink)

Basic MIDI question

I have an onboard sound card (Realtek) but also use an M-AUDIO Ozone. I am also using ASIO4ALL. In a project I cannot hear MIDI and Audio at the same time, and have to go into the control panel (Win7 64) to disable the M-AUDIO to hear audio, and disable the RealTek to hear MIDI. Enabling the other leaves it in the same mode it was in (only disabling swaps them). Both play through the M-AUDIO, so I am at a loss with what the best fix (if any) there is for this current setup? Also, I have put off getting a specific sound card with this machine so far as I have had no great need. If the Realtek is the issue would a generic Soundblaster fix the MIDI problem? I can run what recording inputs I need through the Ozone at this time. Thanks in advance!
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    Re:Basic MIDI question 2012/03/14 03:47:16 (permalink)
    When doing all this enabling/disabling - are you looking at what Sonar is using as sync device for record and playback?

    What device are you using as listening device?
    Ozone is a soundcard as well.

    I would disable Realtek in BIOS to rule it out from system alltogether.
    And set everything midi and audio to Ozone.

    What you got should be enough.
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    Re:Basic MIDI question 2012/03/14 04:03:20 (permalink)
    I'm guessing here but I suspect you are using the MS Wavetable to hear MIDI data.

    Make sure that is disabled and then insert TTS-1 into the project and use that as the output for your MIDI tracks.

    As suggested though more info on your set up and routing etc will help diagnosis.
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    Re:Basic MIDI question 2012/03/16 01:34:22 (permalink)
    Thank you. Yes, I was using the MS wavetable to hear MIDI, and the suggestion to disable that and use the TTS-1 worked. I left both the onboard and Ozone enabled in the windows control panel. I started adjusting midi instruments with the tracks playing and began noticing distortion after a bit, so will have to experiment more. I am not sure if the onboard audio is causing this.
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    Re:Basic MIDI question 2012/03/16 02:46:38 (permalink)
    Distortion could be many things but my first guess is you are hearing the affects of running latency too low. Try increasing ASIO sample buffers or WDM latency time, depending on mode.

    Onboard cards work to a fashion, I use one from time to time on my laptop but the difference is like night & day with a decent interface.
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    Re:Basic MIDI question 2012/03/16 08:18:36 (permalink)
    Yes... disable the internal realteck and use the interface in the Ozone.....since it has audio and headphone outs you should use it. 

    DO not use ASIO4ALL. Use the drivers that M-Audio includes with the Ozone..... you might want to check for updated drivers on their website. 

    It's designed to do what you want to do, so let it do its job. 

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    Re:Basic MIDI question 2012/03/20 11:49:43 (permalink)
    Thank you! I heard the ASIO4ALL was not something to use, so uninstalled it. I repaired the M-AUDIO drivers (thank goodness the Ozone is still supported for Win 7 64!!). I shifted back to WDM mode, and the TTS-1 works for hearing the MIDI now, so things seems to be running well! I did leave the RealTek enabled, and seems to shift fine (for now). I do not run the Ozone full time, and only have a PA, so the surround from the RealTek I get use from for everything else. Is WDM the preferred setup to use? I am not clear of the difference, but know the latency is much lower. Is there a good reference on the differences?
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