SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here!

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cecelius2
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2012/06/25 05:55:35
SampleTekk's Summer Sale starts June 27 and ends on July 27.  Great discounts on their piano samples and other samples.  

I definitely am going to buy White Grand/White Sister bundle.  I already own their Old Lady and Emperor, one of their Yamaha C7's and the Bosendorfer 290, but have been waiting for this sale to grab the White Bundle.

What other instruments do you guys recommend from them?
craigfowler
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/25 06:12:14
The White Grand/White Sister is really nice. It's pretty bright, but it sounds really good. I like the vertikal jazz - based on a Yamaha U5 if memory serves. The Rain Piano is cool if you need something a bit honky-tonkish (but not over the top). The one I'll probably pick up next time around is the re-released Black Grand package, but I've just moved and don't have my stuff set up yet. Personally, I think that if you have the Old Lady and Emperor, you've already got the two best sounding ST products - they're my favorites.
bitflipper
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/25 13:30:45
You've already got a Yamaha, a Steinway and two Bosendorfers. I'd say you've got the essentials covered, except...the only thing lacking from your collection is a snappy rockin' upright. 

I've been thinking about the Vertikal Pop for awhile now to fill that role. Similar in tone to the Vertikal Jazz mentioned above, but close-miked for when you want something more up front with less ambiance. 
cecelius2
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/25 16:37:44

Thanks both Bitflipper and Craigfowler.  I had not considered the vertikal jazz or vertikal pop instruments.  I will give them a listen.
craigfowler
The White Grand/White Sister is really nice. It's pretty bright, but it sounds really good. I like the vertikal jazz - based on a Yamaha U5 if memory serves. The Rain Piano is cool if you need something a bit honky-tonkish (but not over the top). The one I'll probably pick up next time around is the re-released Black Grand package, but I've just moved and don't have my stuff set up yet. Personally, I think that if you have the Old Lady and Emperor, you've already got the two best sounding ST products - they're my favorites.

Craigfowler.  Do you know if the White or if the Black have new GUI interfaces for Kontakt or if they have the bland ordinary standard gui like the ones in The Emperor and The Old Lady?  Which Black version was reissued?  They seem to have several Blacks. I love the Emperor and the Old Lady,but don't like the old style gui interface they have for Kontakt.  

I suspect that by getting the White bundle that I could avoid getting Ivory II.  With the White bundle (both close and ambient mics) and The Old Lady, I would have that Steinway well covered [Edited: Dummy that I am-- the White is not a Steinway it is a Malmsjo made in Sweden, but if I get the Black with new GUI it will be a nice steinway companion for the Old Lady].  With The Emperor and PMI Bosendorfer 290 I have the Bosendorfer covered as well.


[Edited:  After reading your post, I have been re-listening carefully and agree that the White is very bright, but perfect to cut through mixes.  I now think that I will just get the White Grand (no White Sister), and also get the Black with the new GUI and refined samples--this one http://www.sampletekk.com/proddetail.php?prod=STDELIVER-039-KONT.  The latter sounds warmer and the new GUI allows for more sound sculpting.  This should be a good combination.  The White will cut through; the Black will be great for solo piano accompaniment.  Thanks for the heads up about the White's brightness.  Cecelius2]
post edited by cecelius2 - 2012/06/26 04:53:48
craigfowler
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/26 02:51:27
Good choices! I can't remember which clip it was, but there was one of the WG in a rock/pop context where it sounded excellent. The WS is nice to have so you can mix them, but you'll like what you're getting. Report back on the Black Grand! Would be very curious how you feel it compares to the Old Lady. I'm tempted (as you were) simply for the improved GUI, but am curious how it sounds and plays.
bitflipper
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/26 15:13:06
I suspect that by getting the White bundle that I could avoid getting Ivory II.  

At these prices, you could get half the Sampletekk catalog for less than the price of Ivory II! 

cecelius2
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/26 18:50:48
bitflipper

I suspect that by getting the White bundle that I could avoid getting Ivory II.  
 At these prices, you could get half the Sampletekk catalog for less than the price of Ivory II! 
Yeah with these Summer Sale discounts, I have or will have all I want in Acoustic Pianos.  Per is also really good with returning, old customers and has been great when I needed to re-download the Old Lady recently (her multis got messed up).  Thanks Bit for this lead several months ago.  I also really like the demos of the White Grand on their resource page http://www.sampletekk.com/wgresource.php; the Jazz demos sound great and while it is bright, it is not harsh. Further, I value Trevor Rabin's endorsement; he knows prog rock and scoring.  The SampleTekk Black that i am getting is the new "refined version" of their Black Grand with a much, much nicer GUI that can control the resonance, eq, reverb if needed, and has velocity curve adjustments.  As some have indicated elsewhere, the sound quality of PMI/SampleTekk samples is excellent, the price also excellent, but the old default stock Kontakt GUI's need to be updated; that is one reason I am getting this version of the Black.  

bitflipper
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/26 19:03:49
Ah, GUI schmui - I have a baby grand in my living room whose user interface hasn't changed since the 19th century. Still plays OK.

Although I wouldn't mind if they added an auto-tune button...
rtucker55
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/26 20:40:32
I've had The Old Lady and Emperor since 2005, it was PMI productions back in those days.

Is there anything that I am really missing from SampleTekk's sale? Really only interested in using it for Jazz tunes.

Also have Alicia's Keys and Art Vista grand piano in samples and a Korg Oasys and Kurz K2661 that have some pretty good piano sounds that sit well back in a mix.

Kind regards,
Rick
bitflipper
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/26 21:37:39
Have a listen to the Rain upright, Vertikal Jazz and Vertikal Pop. All are different from what you've presently got. 
cecelius2
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/26 21:43:42
rtucker55


I've had The Old Lady and Emperor since 2005, it was PMI productions back in those days.

Is there anything that I am really missing from SampleTekk's sale? Really only interested in using it for Jazz tunes.

Also have Alicia's Keys and Art Vista grand piano in samples and a Korg Oasys and Kurz K2661 that have some pretty good piano sounds that sit well back in a mix.

Kind regards,
Rick
Take a look at the White Jazz demos (White Jazz and White Jazz II and also Stella) on this page:  http://www.sampletekk.com/wgresource.php.  I like the way the White Grand sounds for jazz.  Granted it does not sound as warm as Alicia Keys, but it does not come across nearly as brittle as a Yamaha C7.  The White Grand seems pleasant, although clear without being harsh (at least to my aging/vintage ears).   However, these adjectives are always a matter of individual preference.

Gaffpro
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/27 09:15:47
Where are the sale prices indicated? Don't see 'em
bitflipper
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/27 11:15:09
Discounts are calculated when you check out. If you're a previous customer, there is a discount code that brings the discount up to 60%.
cecelius2
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/27 20:52:10
oH hECK!     I bought the new SampleTekk Black Refined for Kontakt and did not noticed that it is of course refined for Kontakt 5.  Oh Heck!  It will run on the Kontakt 5 player.  So NI sucked me into their trap.  I will have to be careful, but I think I can run Kontakt 4 and simultaneously run Kontakt 5 Player.  I was waiting until Komplete 9 came out to get that upgrade.  I tell you, these vintage eyes are not what they use to be--can't read the fine print, or in this case even the regular print which said made for Kontakt 5.


At least the White Grand/White Sister will run on Kontakt 4.  I am still downloading them.
bitflipper
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/27 21:09:18
I was unaware that Sampletekk had any products that required Kontakt 5. This is something new. And it sucks because there's no frickin' reason for it, no Kontakt 5-specific feature that any piano library needs. Just part of NI's plan for global domination, I guess.
Kreative
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/27 21:30:23
Mmm, a sinister plan, indeed, Bitflipper. Global domination. And everyone has to receive the mark of Native Instruments on their foreheads in order to use and validate their music software. Simply diabolical. What is the alternative? It seems like all of the desirable software is headed for Kontakt 5 and its glorious Time Machine Pro.

There doesn't seem to be any competitor emerging against Kontakt.
post edited by Kreative - 2012/06/27 21:33:03
cecelius2
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/27 21:36:22
bitflipper

I was unaware that Sampletekk had any products that required Kontakt 5. This is something new. And it sucks because there's no frickin' reason for it, no Kontakt 5-specific feature that any piano library needs. Just part of NI's plan for global domination, I guess.
Yeah--I agree.  Here is the link to their new piano that requires Kontakt 5: http://www.sampletekk.com/proddetail.php?prod=STDELIVER-039-KONT.  You know, I just looked at that page again and can't find where it says Kontakt 5 specifically.  i found out when I tried to load it and it gave me a warning that it requires a new version of Kontakt; so i read the pdf file and it said there that it uses Kontakt 5.   Also surprising is that it is actually only 1.29 gigs in sample size, which is pretty small compared to other piano products SampleTekk sells.  Supposedly it uses the new Kontakt 5 scripting and smaller/refined samples to produce a version of their Black Grand that is more flexible, more tweak-able in tone, resonance, etc....  But I did not really want to go to Kontakt 5 right now.  I will now have to be careful and keep the Kontakt 4 and Kontakt 5 libraries separate.

Kreative
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/27 21:49:02
I can't see why any software would actually have to have Kontakt 5, specifically, as Bitflipper rightly pointed out in another thread some time ago. But many times, K4 or 5 are specifically mentioned because of the "Time Machine" audio stretching technology.

Indeed, NI is fast becoming a major contender in the sample library kingdom, and I've had to spend a lot of money to get into the game, myself, or be left behind.
Glyn Barnes
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/27 23:45:55
The reason its is K5 specific is it dose not need a full version of Kontakt. As a Kontakt (4) owner it would have been better for me if it did require the full version of Kontakt. But it makes it useable for non Kontakt owners.

I can understand NI only licencing new products for the latest player. I do find it annoying that they have made all Native Instruments old products K5 only however.

So the player is free, whats the problem?  Well what sucks is K5 is offically Windows 7 only. It runs fine on my Vista PC and happily coexists with the full Kontakt 4 - BUT! I am reluctant to spend money on products that are not supported on my DAW 



On the potential upside, for a non Kontakt owner there is a possibility that NI will run a cross grade offer where this product will entitle you to a discount on the full version of Kontakt. I got a big discount a while back because I had bought Steven Slate drums in a No Brainer.
post edited by Glyn Barnes - 2012/06/27 23:59:18
Kreative
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/28 01:41:07
You've explained the pros and cons very well, Glyn. 
Worra
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/28 03:27:14
Our 50% sale are now on! A bit delayed I'm afraid.... There are a plethora of multisampled instruments that you can check out, and a LOT of pianos! Our latest release, the Black, that has been discussed a bit in this thread, comes with a Kontakt licens. This means that you can download the free Kontakt player and register the piano for unlimited use. This piano has some features that allows us to both increase the playability and decrease the size. We use something called "True Resonance", a technique we have developed that allows us to make a piano that response in a very natural way. The Black features things as three pedal support, sympathetic resonances, real time pedaling and uses up to 14 velocity layers. But, there's also a lot of other instruments then pianos. Rhodes, Wurlitzer, Pianet, Recorders, Brass, Synths, Percussion and others. www.sampletekk.com
post edited by Worra - 2012/06/28 03:30:01
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/28 10:22:01
Thanks for stopping by, Per. Makes sense you're ready to start competing head-to-head with the likes of Ivory. But you really need to update the page so that it clearly states the K5 dependency.
cecelius2
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/28 18:02:23
Here is a long winded critique of SampleTekk's Black for Kontakt 5. 

I played around last night with the new Black and was generally impressed. The new GUI allows for tailoring the tone of this Steinway D based instrument. It is intuitive in that most users will know what reverb, eq, velocity do. For me, this new GUI makes this SampleTekk instrument much more usable and capable of getting the tone, ambiance and resonance for example. I could dial in with ease a warm and gentle piano, or a bright powerful and clear rock piano in seconds.

Velocity Section--It was very easy to adjust the velocity curve to my taste (three curve options) and then dial up or down the velocity sensitivity knob to fit both my finger pressure, my midi keyboard (M-Audio ES88-- not the most sensitive model) and even adjust it for the particular song. So if I am playing a gentle piece, I can dial back slightly to help get that just right; if it is a rock mix, you can dial it up to make sure the tone is forceful. This is very helpful for those of us who are not the best pianists.

EQ Section—This is a simple three knob eq, one band EQ. One controls the frequency (20-20k), one controls the Q (from a sharp peak to a more gentle curve), one band for gain. I used the more gentle curve and with just a little gain boast, could turn this Steinway tone into a much more bright, edgy instrument, or by focusing the frequency toward a lower midrange, can make this Steinway tone warmer, darker.

Pedals—there are three pedals (sustain, sustenuto, una Corda) all which have midi learn. I just used the sustain pedal, but the options are there, as well as a button that allows half pedaling.

Reverb—there are three knobs—one for pre-delay, one for size, one for amount. There is also a picture which has the type of reverb. At first, I could not figure out how to change the reverb type (I should have read the manual first). Eventually I found that by click/hold & drag, I could drag the picture up or down and this rolled up or down through the reverb types. There is a gold plate, a room, a digitial and one or two others. I was surprised at the limited number of types here. I expected the choice of different concert halls, cathedral, clubs, etc. I was also surprised that the room reverb was very subtle even with the amount and size dialed up. The digital reverb, however, can be dramatic and create a wash if desired. Another surprise was that by dialing up or down the size of the reverb I would get a an annoying zipper sound. BTW, I have an I7 2600 CPU with 16gigs of ram so this is not CPU or RAM related.

Voicing-Intellisave—this button allows you to save CPU resources if needed. I did not try it.

Body Section—Here there are three controls. One is for “shimmer” which is SampleTekks term for string resonance. One is for “sympathetic resonance” which dials in the amount of resonance yo get when you play and hold a chord with the left hand, and play a melody over the top of it with the right hand. This control sets the amount of resonance heard on the unplayed, undamped strings. Finally there is a control dial for room ambiance. When dialed to the left, there is no room, just a close mic'ing effect. When dialed to the right, there is more room ambiance. With all these controls the effect is subtle and nuanced., not dramatic.

Noise—There are two dials for adjusting the amount of hammer noise and pedal noise. These are nice for solo piano work where you might want to hear the sound of the hammer release or the pedal release. The effect can be none or dialed up where it is very noticeable.

What's missing? Well I was surprised that there were no pop-up widows or hover type windows over the dials when they were adjusted. So there was no way of knowing the specific amount from let's say 1-100 or in decibels or the frequency that was being selected. I could not know what frequency I was selecting on the EQ or what amount of pre-delay in milleseconds in Reverb, or the amount of gain in either decibels or from 1-127, or the amount of resonance from 1-100 was dialed up. The absence of having some kind of numeric hover or popup window meant that there was no way of dialing in that exact amount the next time I used it. This is a feature that needs to be update. BTW, it is one that is found on the some competitors' products like NI's NY Grand for example, which has a similar GUI.

Overall the tone and the simplicity of the GUI makes this instrument a versatile and very tweakable Steinway Grand, and the total download is only 1.29Gigs. It is easy to get a warm tone with some room ambiance, or to dial in an aggressive brighter close mic'ed sound that will cut through a mix. My immediate and initial impression was that it was nice and that I was glad I purchased it; there was no buy remorse with this one, especially with a discount price less than $50. This could easily be a default piano for some if only because it is so versatile and easy to tweak. SampleTekk has moved forward with this new GUI and an easily adjustable tone pallet. They do need to update the dials/knobs so that they reveal precise decible/numeric amounts so that the user knows the exact value that is being selected. Per and his crew need to bring this new GUI system to their other instruments.




post edited by cecelius2 - 2012/06/28 18:05:00
rtucker55
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/28 22:53:35
I just downloaded the TSO C7 with a specific project in mind. For $24.50 it sounds VERY usable! Have not spent a lot of time with it yet but from what I have it was a Great deal.

It was a little weird figuring out that I needed to unzip the 7 files which then became .rar files and then un-raring them into a folder on the sample drive. No setup (.exe) file at all.

The samples are circa 2005 but work well with Full Kontakt 4 and sound great. Now if they just had a Fazioli I would be hitting the PayPal button again.

Kind regards,
Rick
cecelius2
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/29 05:48:59

SampleTekk White Combo--my first reaction; plus DYI multi.

I was pleasantly surprised at how the White Grand sounded so clear and bright without being brilliant or overly harsh.  Even though I had listend to the demos, we all know that they can be misleading.  I had feared that the close mic'ing of the White Grand might have made it sound too harsh, even brittle, but it was just clear and even pleasant.  I tried it with just a touch of the convolution acoustic piano that is stock with Kontakt4, backed down the wet mix a bit and it was pleasant, warm, but still clear.

I then tried the White Sister, which is the same as the White Grand, but it also has a couple of ambient mics added to the sample pool and in its mix.  It was also nice, not overly ambient at all.  It had just a little additional room sound from the pair of extra room mics.

So what was missing?  Be patient.  I expected to find several, in fact many multis for these instruments and Kontakt.  I already owned SampleTekk's PMI The Old Lady, PMI The Emperor and PMI Yamaha C7.  These came with multis (.nkm files) which included the instrument itself (.nki files) and also separate instrument versions of pedals, sustain, release, resonance, harmonics.  So for example, in the Old Lady a given multi might have four or five instruments (.nki files) contain the main instrument, the sustain, the release, the pedal noice, the hammer noise, each blended to give an overall balance in the multi.  You get the picture.  So I was surprised not to find any of these extra features in either the White Grand or the White Sister.  There were no multis at all!  Rather there was only one .nki file for the White Grand and only one .nki file for the White Sister.  Later I found on the White Resource page two more .nki files for the White Grand, but these were for economy CPU use.  Perhaps given that the White series are designed for pop/rock/jazzs mixes, there is not an expectation that the pedal, hammer, releases and noises will be heard in a lively mix.  So, what is a guy to do?

Be creative--It's make your own multi time.  This absence of Grand White multis (and not any pedal, hammer, resonance, harmonics instrument .nki files at all) inspired me to create my own special multis for the White Grand.  I took the White Grand .nki file. Then I added the pedals, the sustain, the resonance, the harmonics .nki's files from The Old Lady.  I blended them to ear/taste; had them all triggered by the same midi channel; had them all outputted to the same Kontakt output, and VOILA, I now have a custom do-it-yourself White Grand multi.  I figured that since The Old Lady is herself a warm rich Steinway that she might add a touch more of warmth beneath the clarity of the White Grand.  I blended the collection so that the White Grand is dominant, but so that the pedal and hammer releases, the sustains, and the harmonics were just audible, but not dominant.  The result was a very nice SampleTekk instrument.  Of course, many of you are going to think by now that this is what we should do always, anyway--make our own custom multis.  I was just a little surprised at being forced to do so, when after-all the other SampleTekk instruments I had previously purchased had several multis that were good starting off palets.  I always blend, adjust, tweak the knobs for my taste and my uses anyway. 

Thus ends my first day with the White Grand & White Sister and my custom do-it-yourself multi.  Nice day!  Nice instruments.  Nice multi!
craigfowler
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/29 06:40:18
Great review - thought you had decided against the White Sister ;-)
Mesh
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/29 08:40:52
Excellent review Cecelius and good tip too.
 
I don't have any of SampleTekk's piano's (yet) and was waiting for this sale to get my first decent piano. I'm not a keyboardist/pianist by any stretch of the imagination , but do like good sounding piano's. I've been using SampleTank's Piano collection (I know....sigh) and also TruePiano when I needed Piano in a track, but it's time to get something better. 

I was thinking of getting The Old Lady or The Emperor as a starting point (for rock/pop/blues/jazz) and would like your opinion on these or any others you recommend?  

Thanks,
Gaffpro
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/29 10:53:40
I haven't bought anything from them either and would like to know more about Old Lady and Emperor...these seem to be the 2 most popular with Sonar users, right?
bitflipper
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/29 11:42:40
The Old Lady is a 1912 Steinway that had been fitted with electromechanical actuators so it could be controlled by a computer (1000 velocity levels!), making it the perfect source for sampling. A "lite" version was originally included in the Kontakt 2 library. The full version has up to 12 velocity layers, the Kontakt version had 5. Tone-wise, the Old Lady has a mellow sound that works well for ballads and solo piano pieces.

The Emperor is a Bosendorfer. Brighter and less ambient than the Old Lady and consequently probably more versatile, certainly more appropriate for rock 'n roll. The next step up in brightness would be one of the Yamahas. I like the Emperor because it's a good compromise between classical and rock tones, and can be used for either.
Mesh
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/29 12:21:25
Thanks Bit.
keith
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/29 12:22:48
Agree with what bit said...

I own a bunch of sample-based pianos, and Old Lady, as old as it is, is still one of my favorites. It's just a nice, warm, round, full tone in the lower velocity ranges, and still a little bite in the upper velocity ranges... Lots of character, but not "crazy old piano" character, if you know what I mean.  check out the "moonlight low" and "moonlight high" velocity demos to get a sense of the available dynamic range...
http://www.sampletekk.com/proddemos/PMIOldLady/MoonlightOldLadyNormal.mp3
http://www.sampletekk.com/proddemos/PMIOldLady/MoonlightOldLadyLoud.mp3

It's just a good recording of a good sounding old piano, and I think has stood the test of time against it's "more technically advanced" peers. IMO.

At those prices, my personal recommendation for somebody on a budget would be to get Old Lady for those full steinway grand sounds, where piano is a major harmonic element to the tune... and 7CG Jr for those times where you need that classic, bright Yamaha grand sound to punch through... pop, rock, etc. Total $50... can't go wrong with that.

For punchy, bright tone I think the 7CG/7CG Jr. might be a bit more dynamic and varied than Emperor... The Emperor sounds like a Bosendorfer, and that's the tone you get. Unless you're really looking for just that Bosendorfer sound, in which case, go for it! Though I admit I've never been a huge fan of the Bosendoerfer sound compared to Steinway and Yamaha and some others... :) I think both are bright in the mid to upper dynamics, but the Yamahas are less honky than the Bosendorfer, and therefore more versatile for a range of things. In EQ terms, I've always thought of the Yamahas being boosted in the low and high (especially) ranges, whereas the Bosendorfer is boosted in the middle, giving it more of a throaty, honky sound. Anyway... my $.02.
 
Starise
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/29 13:46:25
 I am wondering if the older Old Lady and Emperor will work with Kontakt 5 . Does anyone know if they will play on K5?
Smedberg
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/29 14:42:37
I have to find out on tuesday...
Starise


 I am wondering if the older Old Lady and Emperor will work with Kontakt 5 . Does anyone know if they will play on K5?


cecelius2
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/29 15:13:48
Starise

 I am wondering if the older Old Lady and Emperor will work with Kontakt 5 . Does anyone know if they will play on K5?
Yes, both Old Lady and Emperor work with Kontakt 4 and 5.  They are just samples with no complex or unique scripting.  I think they were written to work with Kontakt 2.

Bitflipper:  Thanks for the details.  Nice.  Agree with your assessment--The Old Lady is really dark, warm and perfect for those ballads.  The Emperor is big and bold and great for rock, but also good for bold and big solo "classical" pieces.  

Mesh:  Yes, I think both of these are great foundation pieces.  If I had it to do all over again, I would definitely get both of these and probably the new SampleTekk Black for Kontakt 5 simply because it is so versatile, easy to tweak and dial in a tone that is dark or bold or bright.  I really don't use the PMI Yamaha C7 that I bought earlier this year.  

To be very honest-- I suspect that this new SampletTekk Black for Kontakt 5 will become my default piano because it can be tweaked to get so many tones and works well for ballads and rock.  Well---it will become my default once I get the full version of Kontakt 5--it does work perfectly with the free K5 player, just wish that this spec had been made clear. 
 
Craigfowler:  Yeah, I wasn't going to get the White Sister, but really liked the demo mp3s; so I got it with the White Grand and the new Black since I got the extra discount being a repeat customer.  I really like the new Black.
      
At these prices both Old Lady and Emperor are  "no brainers" at $25 a piece and the new Black comes in for less than $50 (that's while this the 50% discount sale is happening).  








post edited by cecelius2 - 2012/06/29 18:55:41
Starise
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/06/30 18:48:24
Thanks for the info Ceceilus2.
Melodyshine
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/01 19:08:10
cecelius2
If I had it to do all over again, I would definitely get both of these and probably the new SampleTekk Black for Kontakt 5 simply because it is so versatile, easy to tweak and dial in a tone that is dark or bold or bright.      

To be very honest-- I suspect that this new SampletTekk Black for Kontakt 5 will become my default piano because it can be tweaked to get so many tones and works well for ballads and rock.  Well---it will become my default once I get the full version of Kontakt 5--it does work perfectly with the free K5 player, just wish that this spec had been made clear. 
Could you do me a favor and upload a demo of the Sampletekk Black? The official demos don't convince me. For example it would be good to know how the EQ affects the sound.
cecelius2
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/01 20:48:15
Melodyshine

Could you do me a favor and upload a demo of the Sampletekk Black? The official demos don't convince me. For example it would be good to know how the EQ affects the sound.
Understand your skepticism with manufacturers' demos.  Sorry, but I have unbelievable trouble uploading files onto this forum or any other website with my pathetic internet service.  


What about this?.  I will send you a pm with my email.  You could then just send a midi file to me with a piano part of your choosing (so it is the kind of music you want to test), I will put it in Sonar with SampleTekk Black, do a couple of different eq versions successively on a track, and send it back to you via email with the wave or mp3 file attached.  That's probably the best I can offer, but I will gladly do that.  Let me know if that would work for you.    Cecelius2

[Edited:  I just sent you a pm with my email contact]  



post edited by cecelius2 - 2012/07/01 20:54:21
Starise
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/01 22:30:28
 After doing some pretty extensive listening to the Old Lady,The Emperor, White and Black. I concluded that what I really wanted is the white piano. The white has a really nice sound to me that cuts through a mix well. I already had pianos that cover what the Old Lady does. The Old Lady is a nice piano though no doubt about it.
 In a few of the demos of the White it appears capable of similar sounds to an upright if adjusted and can get that honky tonk sound if needed, but also can be dialed up for jazz or classical...seemed like a very versitle piano.

 Like you say it is all subjective. The black sounded to me to be too distant and would sit well in a classical mix as a solo piano or as a background piano part IMO. The Emperor was a nice piano too and had more of a cut to it but not quite the forwardness I heard with the white.The white seemed to have the ability to cut but sound very pleasant. The demos might not have been very good but they should be giving the potential buyer the best idea and if they aren't doing that then whats the point?

 Cecelius2 I seem to feel the same way about the white that you do about the black. I feel that I can always knock some of the bite off with EQ if it came across as too apparent in a mix.To me it would be more difficult to add the bite with the black JMO. 

None of the sampletekk pianos are bad pianos, on the contrary really. They all are nice. Even though Old Lady and Emperor are dated they hold up well and are a bargain at these prices.

 For anyone looking at pianos I would also recommend at least trying pianissimo and pianoteq. Pianoteq just released a new update and pianissimo has a close sound to the Old Lady when recorded at lower midi velocities.I had some trouble with it recording at higher velocities with clipping. A nice Old Lady like sound though. Tha advantages are low cpu,no huge files to stream and pianos that are tweakable to a number of settings. I noticed that Sampletekk has a similar piano in their lineup. Seems to use samples but augment them with some of this kind of technology.

 I'm waiting on that confirmation email now and hoping my order goes off with no trouble. I can't wait to play the white.
cecelius2
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/01 22:50:55
Starise


 After doing some pretty extensive listening to the Old Lady,The Emperor, White and Black. I concluded that what I really wanted is the white piano. The white has a really nice sound to me that cuts through a mix well. I already had pianos that cover what the Old Lady does. The Old Lady is a nice piano though no doubt about it.
 In a few of the demos of the White it appears capable of similar sounds to an upright if adjusted and can get that honky tonk sound if needed, but also can be dialed up for jazz or classical...seemed like a very versitle piano.

 Like you say it is all subjective. The black sounded to me to be too distant and would sit well in a classical mix as a solo piano or as a background piano part IMO. The Emperor was a nice piano too and had more of a cut to it but not quite the forwardness I heard with the white.The white seemed to have the ability to cut but sound very pleasant. The demos might not have been very good but they should be giving the potential buyer the best idea and if they aren't doing that then whats the point?

 Cecelius2 I seem to feel the same way about the white that you do about the black. I feel that I can always knock some of the bite off with EQ if it came across as too apparent in a mix.To me it would be more difficult to add the bite with the black JMO. 

I think you will be happy with The White Grand.  It is clear, but not harsh, and yes you can always EQ and even add just a touch of convolution reverb of a concert hall and you have a nice near concert piano, well not really, as there are no hammer and pedal noises.  I don't think it will every be as warm and round as the Old Lady, but if you are wanting a piano for a mix either pop, jazz or rock, it is a real contender and for the price, just great.  It is not as crisp/sharp to my ears as a C7 but it is clear and sounds great for what it is designed to do.  It is a large download of 16 .rar files in addition to the initial file which will be given by your email from SampleTekk.  Total size is something like 4.96 gigs.  BTW, on the White Resource page there are two economy (CPU lite) versions of .nki files that you might want to download just to have as options.  

The reason I like the new Black is that it is so versatile and that it has the Black Grand as its core, but it is so easy to tweak and adjust right out of the box.  The GUI is much more friendly (than the stock Kontakt one) and you have easy adjustment knobs for velosity adjustments (great for my weak hands), and the one band EQ is right there on the screen, the room resonance, string resonance, and the reverb etc...  

  Give us your critique when you get your White Grand.  We would love to hear what you think.
post edited by cecelius2 - 2012/07/02 00:04:05
Starise
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/02 09:38:35
 Yes Cecelius2 I am looking for a piano for rock and pop type mixes.I can't wait to try it!

  So far I haven't received any info on a download site or a serial number and I payed two days ago. Not even a confirmation other than the one I got from paypal saying they had my money. I guess I'll send them an email and see whats up.

 I appreciated hearing your take on the pianos too.

cecelius2
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/02 19:01:28
Starise

 Yes Cecelius2 I am looking for a piano for rock and pop type mixes.I can't wait to try it!

  So far I haven't received any info on a download site or a serial number and I payed two days ago. Not even a confirmation other than the one I got from paypal saying they had my money. I guess I'll send them an email and see whats up.
      
Send Per at SampleTekk an email.  He is usually fast to respond.  i have always received my confirmation email with the download link within minutes of the order--very fast.  So I would go to the SampleTekk page, click on contacts and send them an email to see if they got the payment.

Starise
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/02 23:25:15
 Yes they were fast to respond. Apparently the email went into my spam folder. They sent me another one from another acct and it went right through.

 I am liking the way that the White Grand sounds so far. I think it would sit well in a lot of mix situations. I am posting a sample track recorded in Sonar. Hopefully in spite of my pointless noodling around you can hear  what I mean. That sheen will sit well above a bass and other orchestration if someone was of a mind to do that or if I boosted the bass slightly it could have a nice bottom end. I haven't tried to knock off any high end yet but I'm sure I could dull this down some if it was needed.
 Toward the end of the track the sound of the piano really comes out, just a nice pleasant sound IMO.

http://soundcloud.com/starise/white-grand-test

 I'll leave this up for a few days in case anyone wants to hear another demo of it. Just don't mind my playing.
Worra
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/04 09:12:13
Like your playing Starise, think it shows in a great way what the White Grand is all about!
Mesh
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/04 11:52:18
Worra


Like your playing Starise, think it shows in a great way what the White Grand is all about!

Yes, I also like your playing as well as the sound of the White Grand. Was this sound straight out of the box or did you add/delete anything to it? 
Your other tracks were quite good too..... Nicely done.
cecelius2
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/04 20:12:29
Melodyshine
         cecelius2      
To be very honest-- I suspect that this new SampletTekk Black for Kontakt 5 will become my default piano because it can be tweaked to get so many tones and works well for ballads and rock.  Well---it will become my default once I get the full version of Kontakt 5--it does work perfectly with the free K5 player, just wish that this spec had been made clear.  
Could you do me a favor and upload a demo of the Sampletekk Black? The official demos don't convince me. For example it would be good to know how the EQ affects the sound.

Melodyshine:  I sent you the files.  Let me know if you got them.

cecelius2
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/04 20:13:37
Starise


 Yes they were fast to respond. Apparently the email went into my spam folder. They sent me another one from another acct and it went right through.

 I am liking the way that the White Grand sounds so far. I think it would sit well in a lot of mix situations. I am posting a sample track recorded in Sonar. Hopefully in spite of my pointless noodling around you can hear  what I mean. That sheen will sit well above a bass and other orchestration if someone was of a mind to do that or if I boosted the bass slightly it could have a nice bottom end. I haven't tried to knock off any high end yet but I'm sure I could dull this down some if it was needed.
 Toward the end of the track the sound of the piano really comes out, just a nice pleasant sound IMO.

http://soundcloud.com/starise/white-grand-test

 I'll leave this up for a few days in case anyone wants to hear another demo of it. Just don't mind my playing.
Nice.  Clear, capable of cutting through a mix, yet still is pretty, not harsh at all.  Good choice.  Thanks for letting us here this.

Mesh
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/05 08:53:02
I just got the Emperor with a 4th of July coupon code "y6r4a" (valid for 24 hrs., but I was still able to get it today 7/5/12) on top of the 50% off too.....really nice of Per to offer this Piano for just $20!! Thank you!!
Gaffpro
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/05 10:18:43
Just ordered The Old Lady for $20...thanks Mesh for the code....I REALLY like the White Grand after going to Starise's page......what a tone!
Gaffpro
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/05 10:19:48
BTW: Since I'm now a customer, are there any additional discounts if I purchase anything else?
Gaffpro
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/05 10:31:48
Need some help here, I have Kontakt 5, I'm trying to extract the Old Lady files......do I just copy and paste them and if so, where exactly do they go? Thanks
Gaffpro
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/05 11:15:43
Damn.......Kontakt 5 is telling me that The Old Lady wave files can't be loaded or are corrupt.....what's up with that? Thanks
pathos
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/05 12:03:54
How does Old Lady & Emperor compare to the pianos in Kontakt -Berlin, Upright, Classic , Steinway?

About the same or much better?
Beagle
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/05 12:18:11
Gaffpro


BTW: Since I'm now a customer, are there any additional discounts if I purchase anything else?
not currently, but whenever Per has a sale, he'll have a "pre-sale" to existing customers for an extra 10% (60% total) for a few days before the main sale if you purchase during that "presale" time.
 
regarding your other questions - if you purchased the Kontakt version you should be able to just copy the instrument into your library area then open with K5.
 
from your next post however, that doesn't seem to work for you.  are you sure you purchased the kontakt version and not the gigastudio, HALion or EXS24 version?
craigfowler
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/05 17:49:48
  Far better. I bought Akoustik when it was it's own package and never use it.
Gaffpro
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/05 19:07:23
Beagle: I bought the Kontakt version and I did get it up and running. Thanks 
cecelius2
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/05 20:48:51
pathos

How does Old Lady & Emperor compare to the pianos in Kontakt -Berlin, Upright, Classic , Steinway?

About the same or much better?
Much better in my opinion.  The Old Lady in particular has a lot of character, very dark, warm and round; you should read bitflipper's comments on her earlier in this thread particularly about the instrument itself.  


One warning/piece of advice for the aged or those with arthritus--I ended up having to adjust slightly the velocity slider in Sonar for my SampleTekk pianos.  This has more to do with my aging weak hands and muscle deterioration.  Whereas the SampleTekk Black for Kontakt (the new one) has three velocity curves plus a velocity sensitivity dial right on the GUI, for the other/older SampleTekk pianos this is not built into the GUI itself, but velocity is easily adjusted by just moving the velocity slider on the midi input source channel in Sonar itself--but don't overdo it.  I had been cheating The Old Lady by not giving her the right touch.  Now that this adjustment is made, she and I are much happier partners with our tickling games (on the ivory of course).  I think that the Kontakt NY Grand and Berlin, etc... have a velocity curve option right on the GUI.  Having said this in my case, I find that the SampleTekk pianos to be fantastic and worth much more than they are charging for them right now on this sale.  


If you have doubts I would recommend to just buy one at this discount price ($25), try it out, and you will probably come back for more.  The sale lasts until July 27th; so you have time.


Worra
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/07 04:27:29
Just to be clear: Sales on throughout July!
Smedberg
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/07 04:36:24
I have been comparing the new black with old black ambient and to emperor. And boy does the new Black deliver! The only small quirk is that the velocity buttons for hard and soft are altered. This is my new favourite and for the current price it's a no-brainer...
Worra
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/07 17:23:31
Cool Smedberg, glad to sell a piano to a countryman!
Gaffpro
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Re:SampleTekk's Summer Sale is here! 2012/07/07 17:28:32
I just picked up The Emperor (based on everyone else's enthusiasm for this piano).....I may get the newer Black Ambient...might be good for the pop/country stuff I'm doing
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