IK Multimedia SampleMOOG at Esoundz

Esoundz has a KRAZY deal right now... Get SampleMoog ($229.00) right now for $39.99 with 25 % off AND

get a FREE SampleTank Library...

That's $29.99 for SampleMoog AND the FREE library!

That IS a KRAZY DEAL

https://www.esoundz.com/myaccount/news1.php?nbr=6052  

First Sonik Synth, now this... So 2 or 3 weeks from now, we can expect to see Miroslav for $30. And then, Sampletron. And then... ;)

Rain


First Sonik Synth, now this... So 2 or 3 weeks from now, we can expect to see Miroslav for $30. And then, Sampletron. And then... ;)

Oddly enough...it's not a deal on IK Site yet...


But you get the free expansion...and you can get 50 moog combis for $9.99 at checkout...


so that's a pretty good deal...

And you probably right...


hey....if you can use them...get them while their CHEAP!!

This is where Bitflipper should come in and tell us that SampleMoog is an abomination. :P

It is on the IK site http://www.ikmultimedia.com/news/?item_id=1270

Oh..my bad...didn't see it there...

Didn't show up when I went there to my account...

I sit corrected....

Didn't see anything about whether it is 64bit or 32bit app/vst

rtucker55


Didn't see anything about whether it is 64bit or 32bit app/vst

I think everybody's waiting for SamplTank and it's kind to go 64bit......so, it's a waiting game.
 
If anyone does buy from Esoundz, please do refer Mesh.
  

rtucker55


Didn't see anything about whether it is 64bit or 32bit app/vst

I don't think any of the synths are 64bit yet.

Thanks Guys.

Does SampleMoog sound as good as the free Arturia Minimoog that was available not long ago? Just wondering. I've never heard it.

Kreative


Does SampleMoog sound as good as the free Arturia Minimoog that was available not long ago? Just wondering. I've never heard it.

I'll let you know Kreative as soon as I finish downloading.....the program is small....24 MB...but the Instrument Libraries are
pretty huge....5 parts of about 800 MB each....there are apparently 16 different Moogs included...

The free one from Arturia Sounded good...and my IK stuff has been very nice...so I'm waiting to see...

I missed the Sonic Synth deal....so when I found this on the Esoundz website with a free expansion (I got the Vocal Collection) I snagged it.

Those who are waiting will probably have to pay up the Gazotz when the 64 bit versions come out...

I think an upgrade price would be smarter then just waiting...but ...that's just me....

I'm hoping Miroslav is next.....I'll get that too...

And where is IK Obi on this one????  LOL

I wouldn't have bought this at full price, but I jumped on the opportunity. I wasn't expecting all that much but this thing is sweet. Definitely worth a lot more than $30.

Ok so now, all that's left is Sampletank XL - which I really don't need - and upgrading Miroslav to full (but unfortunately there's no upgrade path, so I guess I'll have to wait until the next bargain.

Looking back, it would have been easier to grab the super bundle deal a couple of months ago.

Incidentally, may be worth asking here...

Do any of you guys have issues when auditioning patches in IK's synths? It may be an OS thing, I'm not sure. But whenever I'm browsing though patches, at first they load in a glimpse. But after a while, the patch themselves loads just as quickly, but once they're loaded, after a second or two, it's like the synth needs to work in the background to update the GUI or something. I can play the synths just fine, but I get the beach ball (Mac OS) for 10-12 seconds and I can't tweak anything.

This happens both in standalone mode and in my host, w/ all the SampleTank based instruments.

I'll be looking back in here to get your opinions on the sound of SampleMoog. I'd rather not pay the 64 bit price if it sounds good. 

Kreative - I think it sounds VERY good.

But, I'm a guitarist first. As much as I love synths and as much as I try to learn and educate myself, I'm not the kind of guy who'll be able to appreciate all the most subtle details.

That being said, I've played w/ it for a while tonight and though I can't really tell that it is as lively and as right there as Arturia's Minimoog, it's definitely based on high quality samples. They don't sound dull or lifeless and the Sampletank engine allows you to tweak and push it even furthers.

If you want a Moog that you can tweak and create your own patches from scratches w/, that's not it. If you want a huge library of Moog patches which sound great as is and which that you can fine tune, SampleMoog is terrific (and inspiring - I was busy recording a new song idea minutes after I started playing w/ it. ;) )

cclarry


And where is IK Obi on this one????  LOL

I doubt he'll ever be back here.

Rain


I wouldn't have bought this at full price, but I jumped on the opportunity. I wasn't expecting all that much but this thing is sweet. Definitely worth a lot more than $30.

Ok so now, all that's left is Sampletank XL - which I really don't need - and upgrading Miroslav to full (but unfortunately there's no upgrade path, so I guess I'll have to wait until the next bargain.

Looking back, it would have been easier to grab the super bundle deal a couple of months ago.

Incidentally, may be worth asking here...

Do any of you guys have issues when auditioning patches in IK's synths? It may be an OS thing, I'm not sure. But whenever I'm browsing though patches, at first they load in a glimpse. But after a while, the patch themselves loads just as quickly, but once they're loaded, after a second or two, it's like the synth needs to work in the background to update the GUI or something. I can play the synths just fine, but I get the beach ball (Mac OS) for 10-12 seconds and I can't tweak anything.

This happens both in standalone mode and in my host, w/ all the SampleTank based instruments.

I'm totally with you on the full price thing Rain...

But at $30...this IS a STEAL!!!  And a free Sampletank Pack....It has 16 different Moogs....

Kreative....I agree with Rain...it sounds REALLY good!  I'm a guitarist also...but this thing sounds good...

It's 32 bit....but, the way I see it...when the new one comes out...if it's a complete update and 64 bit I'll get an upgrade price
and not the full price...so that's a bonus...and good marketing on IK's Part!
And if it's just a free update to the 64 bit host....that's even better!

ViintageVibe

Did IK get banned?  Or what??  

cclarry

ViintageVibe

Did IK get banned?  Or what??  

He got dissed.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.....


I hate when that happens...

vintagevibe

cclarry

ViintageVibe

Did IK get banned?  Or what??  

He got dissed.

It was made very obvious that I wasn't welcome. So my superiors and I talked and decided to withdraw from these forums. I'm still lurking though because I still like the conversation here. Especially in the songs and  coffee house sections I have been frequenting since before starting at IK under different username. 

IK Obi

vintagevibe

cclarry

ViintageVibe

Did IK get banned?  Or what??  

He got dissed.

It was made very obvious that I wasn't welcome. So my superiors and I talked and decided to withdraw from these forums. I'm still lurking though because I still like the conversation here. Especially in the songs and  coffee house sections I have been frequenting since before starting at IK under different username. 

That, to me, is VERY unfortunate.  First, why would they not welcome you here?  You have as much right to be here, to share your opinions, and to promote your firm, as anyone else does on this forum.  This is an OPEN forum, and if Cake feels that you are stealing their business or "dissing" THEIR product, then maybe they should address THEIR OWN ISSUES about it before "chastising" or "banning" you.  

We are ALL (I hope) adults here.  We have the ability to make up our own minds, based on whatever info is provided.  I feel that to 
make someone feel unwelcome because of who they work for is, on Cakes part, on anyone else's for that matter, a sure sign of insecurity
and immaturity on their part.

Let's grow up people.  Stop the "Politic-ing" and get on with producing HIGH QUALITY products.  THEN let US decide what we like and don't like.
It's OUR DECISION - NOT YOURS!!!  AND....let everyone have their say...FREEDOM OF SPEECH.  You don't have to like it, or respond to it, or even READ it for that matter.  But don't make someone feel unwelcome because they are expressing their opinion.  I'm sure that the Cake people would
be welcome to do the same on the IK forum (I would hope).  We all should have the ability to "agree to disagree" and just get along and carry on.

So, IK Obi Wan Plugin Kenobi, you will be missed, but glad to know you're still lurking about...

I don't know the WHAT is that brought this about.  But from my experience with your posts, I think it's a "competitive" fear - and that, to me, is sad.
If the products you make "hold up" to critical scrutiny....then you have NOTHING to fear IMHO.

cclarry

IK Obi

vintagevibe

cclarry

ViintageVibe

Did IK get banned?  Or what??  

He got dissed.

It was made very obvious that I wasn't welcome. So my superiors and I talked and decided to withdraw from these forums. I'm still lurking though because I still like the conversation here. Especially in the songs and  coffee house sections I have been frequenting since before starting at IK under different username. 

That, to me, is VERY unfortunate.  First, why would they not welcome you here?  You have as much right to be here, to share your opinions, and to promote your firm, as anyone else does on this forum.  This is an OPEN forum, and if Cake feels that you are stealing their business or "dissing" THEIR product, then maybe they should address THEIR OWN ISSUES about it before "chastising" or "banning" you.  

We are ALL (I hope) adults here.  We have the ability to make up our own minds, based on whatever info is provided.  I feel that to 
make someone feel unwelcome because of who they work for is, on Cakes part, on anyone else's for that matter, a sure sign of insecurity
and immaturity on their part.

Let's grow up people.  Stop the "Politic-ing" and get on with producing HIGH QUALITY products.  THEN let US decide what we like and don't like.
It's OUR DECISION - NOT YOURS!!!  AND....let everyone have their say...FREEDOM OF SPEECH.  You don't have to like it, or respond to it, or even READ it for that matter.  But don't make someone feel unwelcome because they are expressing their opinion.  I'm sure that the Cake people would
be welcome to do the same on the IK forum (I would hope).  We all should have the ability to "agree to disagree" and just get along and carry on.

So, IK Obi Wan Plugin Kenobi, you will be missed, but glad to know you're still lurking about...

I don't know the WHAT is that brought this about.  But from my experience with your posts, I think it's a "competitive" fear - and that, to me, is sad.
If the products you make "hold up" to critical scrutiny....then you have NOTHING to fear IMHO.

Well said.  Some posers here, especially one, were very rude and certainly not acting like adults.  I like IK reps here and it's a shame how he was treated.  One guy was seriously freaking out because he though it was spam.  Some people really need to get a grip.

IK Obi

vintagevibe

cclarry

ViintageVibe

Did IK get banned?  Or what??  

He got dissed.

It was made very obvious that I wasn't welcome. So my superiors and I talked and decided to withdraw from these forums. I'm still lurking though because I still like the conversation here. Especially in the songs and  coffee house sections I have been frequenting since before starting at IK under different username. 

I think you based that assumption on a very small select group of individuals who do not speak for the entire body of members here.

Thanks for the kind words, I really appreciate it. I'll pass this thread link along to my supervisors, maybe we can revisit the idea of me posting here again in our next meeting.

I might have to buy this SampleMoog. I was really trying to see if it had a reasonably fat and thick/rich sound to it, low end grumbling bass, a sound that is full bodiied, sort of comparable to what you got out of the Arturia.

You're more than welcome in my book IK... I appreciate your help with IK products on this board. VST's are bread and butter for modern DAWS and IK makes a bunch. So, please hang out if'n you like.

Is SampleMoog that much different in sound compared to SonikSynth 2? Or will most of it be redundant? In regards to IK Obi's issue... I think you should use your IK Obi login name to post IK Multimedia related and software related threads and use an alternate login name to post in other forums and threads. That way, it doesn't come off as you being a spammer and posting throughout the forums. I don't have a problem with seeing IK Multimedia on the threads I read but some people do and they voiced their feelings however harsh they may be. Still, you are very welcome here on these boards and I'm sure Cakewalk forum administrators feel the same way.

I enjoyed Ik Obi and his posts and I think it's ridiculous that he was treated like this in the first place.  Obi, I hope you reconsider

syntheticpop


Is SampleMoog that much different in sound compared to SonikSynth 2? Or will most of it be redundant? In regards to IK Obi's issue... I think you should use your IK Obi login name to post IK Multimedia related and software related threads and use an alternate login name to post in other forums and threads. That way, it doesn't come off as you being a spammer and posting throughout the forums. I don't have a problem with seeing IK Multimedia on the threads I read but some people do and they voiced their feelings however harsh they may be. Still, you are very welcome here on these boards and I'm sure Cakewalk forum administrators feel the same way.

They are all based on the SampleTank framework...SonicSynth, SampleMoog, SampleTank, SampleTron, and Miraoslav....

SampleMoog is all MOOG.......16 different Moogs to be precise...


It sounds very good to me...as good as Arturia freebie...and far more flexible...

That's my 2 cents....and that's about what it's worth...

It sounds very good to me...as good as Arturia freebie...and far more flexible...

...

Interesting. Conventional wisdom would have it that a modeled VSTi like the Arturia would be the most flexible, and if accurately modeled would emulate the full range of the original instrument while a sample based instrument would be limited to the samples. Plus what ever controls are provided by the sample player. 
 
Some of the recent stuff for Kontakt from HollowSun shows how sophisticated a sampled synthesizer can be, how ever I have yet to see a Kontakt synthesizer come close to the versatility of say, Minimonsta (my go to Moog emulation), Pentagon or Z3ta.
Bitflipper has declared "Sampled synths are an abomination". My view is not so scathing but I remain skeptical that a sample base synth can ever equal the versatility of a good emulation program.
 
This Sound on Sound review of Samplemoog strikes a chord with me. Quote:
 

the very nature of SampleMoog lends it the potential to thrill and frustrate in equal measure. Should the sampled representations not match your own sonic ideals, and if they resist attempts to manipulate them into submission, one of the alternatives may be more appropriate to your needs

May I should buy this while its $30 and be proved wrong?

syntheticpop


Is SampleMoog that much different in sound compared to SonikSynth 2? Or will most of it be redundant?
 
 
 
I also have SonikSynth2 as well as the free Arturia Moog and I'm a bit on the fence whether I should get in on this deal (being such a great price etc...) or would the stuff I already have be enough (I'm also in the same mindset as Rain when it comes to Synths and tweaking them).

Sampled synths are less an abomination than modeled synths in my book, which includes about 90 % of all the vSTi's out there. At least you get a real analogue waveform as a basis. JMO all in all, but I think the SampleMoog does a very good job of threading that land between static sample and decent filter / LFO emulation needed for movement. Actually the one problem I have with Samplemoog is that there are a hell of a lot presets to go through to figure out which to tweak to taste.

Mesh, I went ahead and took the plunge and also referred you. There are a lot of great reviews for SampleMoog. 16 different synths represent this softsynth, including some that are post millennium. It also boast 32 different effects. Some of the sounds may be heard in SonicSynth 2 and perhaps even the Arturia Minimoog V Original but it's an entirely different beast and for $29.99 plus a FREE Sample Library if ordered at esoundz.com - this was a Krazy Deal I couldn't pass up. It's also a nice new shiny toy for $29.99

syntheticpop


Mesh, I went ahead and took the plunge and also referred you. There are a lot of great reviews for SampleMoog. 16 different synths represent this softsynth, including some that are post millennium. It also boast 32 different effects. Some of the sounds may be heard in SonicSynth 2 and perhaps even the Arturia Minimoog V Original but it's an entirely different beast and for $29.99 plus a FREE Sample Library if ordered at esoundz.com - this was a Krazy Deal I couldn't pass up. It's also a nice new shiny toy for $29.99

I think your last comment "shiny new toy for $29.99" is the selling point here....LOL. I do like a lot of IK's synths (Miroslav, SonikSynth, SampleTank etc...) and I imagine this won't be any different. I already got about 50GB of samples from the other 3, so what's another 7-8 more roight? It's time for a new eye exam anyway?  
 
Thanks to both, you & Genghis for the referal.

This was also mentioned and highly recommended from Glyn's sound on sound review of IK Samplemoog: [free] Taurus (beta 4) Virtual recreation of famous bass pedals from 70's. Prepare for earth shattering bass! 
Things modelled in beta 4:

• Alias free oscillators
• Finite oscillator reset time
• Nonlinear Moog ladder filter
• Nonlinear VCA
• Nonlinear envelopes (that means solving five non-linear differential equations, realtime!)
• And of course all the rest of control circuitry at component level

Sound examples:

Filter sweep

Multitracked pad

I rode the Taurus (by Alpharisc)

Axel F meets Taurus (by Ronny Pries)

Download here 

And, if you own Omnisphere, you may want to consider this library of Moog inspired sounds:http://www.spectrasonics.net/products/tribute/

This library of Moog sounds was developed using highly creative processing techniques with exotic gear like rare Buchla Modulars, Jean Michel Jarre's EMS Synthi AKS, Hans Zimmer's massive Modular Moog (including 1027 round robin Moog Drum samples!) and even Eric Persing's one-of-a-kind OMG-1. With so many different world-class artists contributing, the library is very rich in style and filled with inspiring, cutting edge sounds!

100% of the proceeds from this library will go to supporting the innovative projects of the Bob Moog Foundation including their MoogLab student outreach program, the creation of the future 'Moogseum', and their efforts to preserve and share Dr. Moog's extensive and historic archives. The Foundation honors the legacy of synthesizer pioneer Bob Moog through its mission of igniting creativity at the intersection of music, history, science and innovation.

Produced by Eric Persing, the new Bob Moog Tribute library features over 800 stunning new sounds for Omnisphere - created by more than 40 of the world's top synth artists, remixers and sound designers, including:  Hans Zimmer   |   Vince Clarke (Erasure/Depeche Mode)   |   Jean Michel Jarre   |   The Crystal Method   |   Jordan Rudess   |   Money Mark (Beastie Boys/Beck) 
Bernie Worrell (P-Funk/Talking Heads)   |   Larry Fast (Peter Gabriel/Synergy)   |   Roger Joseph Manning Jr. (Air/Fiona Apple)   |   Ryuichi Sakamoto (YMO)
Morgan Page (Madonna/Katy Perry)   |   Keith Shocklee (Bomb Squad/Public Enemy)   |   Steve Porcaro (Toto)   |   Fredwreck (Snoop Dogg/50 Cent)
Jan Hammer (Jeff Beck/Mahavishnu Orchestra)   |   Danny Elfman   |   Michael Boddicker (Michael Jackson)   |   Richard Devine (Schematic/Warp)
Patrick Moraz (Yes/Moody Blues)   |   Eddie Jobson (UK/Roxy Music)   |   Diego Stocco   |   The Moog Cookbook   |   ...and many more!

I think today's the last day for this sale!! (I got it :)).

Good news! I'm back! More details in the coffee house: http://forum.cakewalk.com...615088&mpage=1#2615090

Glad you're back Obi...Now where is my S29 Miroslav and SampleTank and SampleTron?  

vintagevibe

cclarry

IK Obi

vintagevibe

cclarry

ViintageVibe

Did IK get banned?  Or what??  

He got dissed.

It was made very obvious that I wasn't welcome. So my superiors and I talked and decided to withdraw from these forums. I'm still lurking though because I still like the conversation here. Especially in the songs and  coffee house sections I have been frequenting since before starting at IK under different username. 

That, to me, is VERY unfortunate.  First, why would they not welcome you here?  You have as much right to be here, to share your opinions, and to promote your firm, as anyone else does on this forum.  This is an OPEN forum, and if Cake feels that you are stealing their business or "dissing" THEIR product, then maybe they should address THEIR OWN ISSUES about it before "chastising" or "banning" you.  

We are ALL (I hope) adults here.  We have the ability to make up our own minds, based on whatever info is provided.  I feel that to 
make someone feel unwelcome because of who they work for is, on Cakes part, on anyone else's for that matter, a sure sign of insecurity
and immaturity on their part.

Let's grow up people.  Stop the "Politic-ing" and get on with producing HIGH QUALITY products.  THEN let US decide what we like and don't like.
It's OUR DECISION - NOT YOURS!!!  AND....let everyone have their say...FREEDOM OF SPEECH.  You don't have to like it, or respond to it, or even READ it for that matter.  But don't make someone feel unwelcome because they are expressing their opinion.  I'm sure that the Cake people would
be welcome to do the same on the IK forum (I would hope).  We all should have the ability to "agree to disagree" and just get along and carry on.

So, IK Obi Wan Plugin Kenobi, you will be missed, but glad to know you're still lurking about...

I don't know the WHAT is that brought this about.  But from my experience with your posts, I think it's a "competitive" fear - and that, to me, is sad.
If the products you make "hold up" to critical scrutiny....then you have NOTHING to fear IMHO.

Well said.  Some posers here, especially one, were very rude and certainly not acting like adults.  I like IK reps here and it's a shame how he was treated.  One guy was seriously freaking out because he though it was spam.  Some people really need to get a grip.

LOL. Who are ya!?

Flag up where I was rude to Obi, or get a grip.

This forum is outside the jurisdiction of IK's marketing supervisors.  There are as many dissing him as there are defending him here. It's quite simple he stops flouting the TOS in relation to advertising and I no longer have need to flag it up to the moderators of this board?

I enjoy his normal interaction and help toward existing customers that frequent this place but I choose to draw the line at blanket ads, simple as.  It has nothing to do with immaturity as displayed by a few here it has to do with speaking out against mindless spamming.  He only has to reign it in to comply with the TOS but he seems to be enjoying playing an innocent victim and making a fight out of it so he can carry on in contravention of the plain terms as written.

If I'd have been rude to Obi that would have been against the TOS also and there would have been plenty here that would have liked to lay that card on me had it been the case and I've have been out on my butt already.

It's also against the TOS to have dual login's another thing that Obi is claiming to have also although to be fair that just might be to make out he has some mystery presence here that participates like a normal member rather than a straight out marketing guy.

You and a few others here besides are elevating this thing into a personal issue bud, not me.  Check yourself.

Beagle

IK Obi

vintagevibe

cclarry

ViintageVibe

Did IK get banned?  Or what??  

He got dissed.

It was made very obvious that I wasn't welcome. So my superiors and I talked and decided to withdraw from these forums. I'm still lurking though because I still like the conversation here. Especially in the songs and  coffee house sections I have been frequenting since before starting at IK under different username. 

I think you based that assumption on a very small select group of individuals who do not speak for the entire body of members here.

Well I reckon Reece baby you've been known to be a stickler for that ol' TOS and the plain terms therein your good self too...so who is this small select group of individuals here and are you now speaking for the entire body of members when you say this?

I'm just wondering who the heck else here has to consult with supervisors as to whether it is the 'correct' thing to do or do most of us frequent this place because we are users of qualified products.

Maybe you're saying I should be excluded from that entire body of membership because I don't like the idea of a company paid rep coming here and blanket advertising and make it known?

Actually what are you saying here?

I don't see much of a difference between someone touting a product and someone touting a product who works for the company who's product they're touting. I'm not even sure if " touting " isn't one of words that belongs in someone else s native language and I as an American have pilfered it's use with no regard to it's origins....and then there's that word " pilfered ".....same goes.

Rbh


I don't see much of a difference between someone touting a product and someone touting a product who works for the company who's product they're touting. I'm not even sure if " touting " isn't one of words that belongs in someone else s native language and I as an American have pilfered it's use with no regard to it's origins....and then there's that word " pilfered ".....same goes.

Frankly I'm far less bothered by it than it would seem to many.  But when someone feels the need to keep dragging it up and playing victim when I've not even mentioned the whole sorry affair for weeks now I'm just going to defend myself against the personal attacks.

I'd suggest Obi just goes about his business rather than playing to the divide to provoke a reaction in his favour.  I've said all I'm ever going to say on the spamming issue but if people wanna keep having a pop then I shall defend myself everytime.

If he really wants to move on he will do just that rather than keep trying to negotiate territory. You'll note that I'm crediting him with some intelligence here because if he doesn't realise that himself then I'm giving him far too much credit.  There are as many against his stance as there are for, most quite rightly don't give a hoot.  Just like anybody 'touting' nikes or iApp media converters if it looks like spam it will be reported as such whoever the poster that's what the abuse button is for.

It's all very simple really, I'm not out to get anyone.  But I see employees of other company's taking part here not abuse the hosts terms and I've seen plenty of users get shot down for advertising a little bit of personal kit and it does irk me to see IK having such a flagrant disregard for fair play. The difference between an enthusiastic recommendation of a fellow member and a one-sided marketing spiel from a company should be obvious to anyone.

Especially when it's likely those in defence of their stance are IK converts that don't want to hear any noise associated with someone they've done business with.

I'd much rather Obi apologised for the whole sorry disturbance caused on both sides of the fence toned it down a bit and just got on with it, but he doesn't seem to be that kind of guy.  Like I said I HAD finished with it weeks ago, and if y'all excuse me I've spent too much time inadvertently raising IK's profile myself now already and I ain't even getting paid.

Stay tuned for the next episode of ... Obi wars ... in a forum galaxy far far away ... . Now that I've gotten my daily dose of the soaps, I'll go to CNN and see what's cookin' in that cauldron.

Thanks again for the support guys. At the very least I don't lie about who I work for and come to plug the same products like a 3rd party. I still enjoy the conversation here and the people on these boards. That is the reason these forums are some of the best online for audio production and recording! :D

IK Obi


Thanks again for the support guys. At the very least I don't lie about who I work for and come to plug the same products like a 3rd party. I still enjoy the conversation here and the people on these boards. That is the reason these forums are some of the best online for audio production and recording! :D

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