Piano Roll View inconsistencies

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2012/10/07 12:23:33 (permalink)

Piano Roll View inconsistencies

  1. All of a sudden, scrolling in the prv stops happening. requires a reboot of Sonar
  2. Grouping the solo buttons of various tracks results is some, but not all reacting to the solo button
  3. Everytime I switch to track view and then back to prv, the prv lanes are all minimised (Smart grid is OFF)
  4. Snap randomly reset itself to 1/4, 1/1, 1/2 - there seems to be no formula to produce this at will
  5. Clicking the Automation lane of ANY Midi track is also opening up other previously hidden tracks. It's not opening up all other tracks, just a few, though the ones opened, or rather made visible, are always "below" the selected track in the hierarchy and it will always be a complete folders worth of tracks
  6. Controller data. Entering CC11 (Expression data) normally gets written to the Midi track. I have a situation where there are 2 Midi tracks for each synth - one for note data, one for Keyswitch data. Sometimes, the CC11 data gets written to the Ks track and not the Note track, even though the Note track is selected and contains note/velocity data
  7. Track view. I have 3 black lines running across the clips pane. They seem to embedded into the entire project, because no matter what combination or size of tracks i select, they're always visible - even with a selected track fully maximised.

I think a couple of screen shots might help. no, they don't cause any problems, but i think it;s symptomatic of a deeper, underlying problem with the graphics










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    Re:Piano Roll View inconsistencies 2012/10/07 12:24:41 (permalink)
    2nd screen shot wouldn't post:




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    Re:Piano Roll View inconsistencies 2012/10/07 12:35:03 (permalink)
    Bristol Jonesey,

    I started a thread about this awhile ago....

    http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2680129

    Read thru the responses... it appears that CAKE changed the behavior of PRV and the scrolling of this window is controllable without rebooting.

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    Re:Piano Roll View inconsistencies 2012/10/07 16:12:18 (permalink)
    I've read that thread.

    Not sure it applies to me because the prv doesn't scroll for me when I'm not editing, just playing.

    How does Sonar even know if I'm editing or playing?

    I'm not saying it NEVER scrolls - sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. It always seems to get a bit buggy when switching screensets

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    Re:Piano Roll View inconsistencies 2012/10/07 16:27:14 (permalink)

    Snap randomly reset itself to 1/4, 1/1, 1/2 - there seems to be no formula to produce this at will

     
     
    I have noticed this, but assumed I was misunderstanding the role of the new snap module, but it throws me everytime. Do you have smart grid enabled?
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    Re:Piano Roll View inconsistencies 2012/10/08 04:02:51 (permalink)
    No, smart grid is disabled.

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    Re:Piano Roll View inconsistencies 2012/10/08 09:12:58 (permalink)
    Are you reporting these to Cakewalk as bugs. I may have also seen the snap randomly resetting itself, but I wasn't paying close enough attention to be sure it's a bug, and not me doing something wrong.

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    Re:Piano Roll View inconsistencies 2012/10/08 09:20:52 (permalink)
    I would do FB but a lot of it isn't repeatable by any sort of formula - it's random - the worst possible type of bug

    The only thing remotely close to seeing any sort of correlation is when switching screensets.

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    Re:Piano Roll View inconsistencies 2012/10/08 12:24:03 (permalink)
    The only thing remotely close to seeing any sort of correlation is when switching screensets.

     
    Then Karl certainly has to have seen something similar...
     

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    Re:Piano Roll View inconsistencies 2012/10/08 15:09:05 (permalink)
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    Snap randomly reset itself to 1/4, 1/1, 1/2 - there seems to be no formula to produce this at will

     
     
    I have noticed this, but assumed I was misunderstanding the role of the new snap module, but it throws me everytime. Do you have smart grid enabled?


    +1.. noticed this also...i thought it was me being a duffer..

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    Re:Piano Roll View inconsistencies 2012/10/08 16:10:01 (permalink)
    The snap value is supposed to change at certain zoom levels so as you get closer the value increase, and as you zoom out it decreases.   But only if Smart Grid & Snap are enabled.   I think.
     

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    Re:Piano Roll View inconsistencies 2012/10/08 16:26:19 (permalink)
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    The snap value is supposed to change at certain zoom levels so as you get closer the value increase, and as you zoom out it decreases.   But only if Smart Grid & Snap are enabled.   I think.
     

    That's what's happening here. I must not have realized Smart Grid was on. Once I turned it off, everything worked like expected and the Snap values stayed the same. Thanks!

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    Re:Piano Roll View inconsistencies 2012/10/08 17:23:15 (permalink)
    In the Track View, go to Options > Click Behavior and uncheck "Left Click Locks Scroll."  

    The idea is that, if you click to edit data with that enabled, we stop scrolling so that you can continue to make adjustments in the area you're working in.  When you want to start scrolling again, you can right-click the top half of the time ruler.  It's supposed to re-enable scrolling after you stop/restart playback...  But that doesn't appear to be working correctly.

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    Re:Piano Roll View inconsistencies 2012/10/08 17:30:25 (permalink)
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    In the Track View, go to Options > Click Behavior and uncheck "Left Click Locks Scroll."  

    The idea is that, if you click to edit data with that enabled, we stop scrolling so that you can continue to make adjustments in the area you're working in.  When you want to start scrolling again, you can right-click the top half of the time ruler.  It's supposed to re-enable scrolling after you stop/restart playback...  But that doesn't appear to be working correctly.

    It works as advertised here. Please don't change the behavior!
     
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    Re:Piano Roll View inconsistencies 2012/10/09 02:32:51 (permalink)
    Bill, that helps. thanks a lot.

    What about any of the other issues noted above?

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    Re:Piano Roll View inconsistencies 2012/10/09 07:49:17 (permalink)
    That's what's happening here. I must not have realized Smart Grid was on. Once I turned it off, everything worked like expected and the Snap values stayed the same. Thanks!

     
    No problem!
     

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    Re:Piano Roll View inconsistencies 2012/10/09 14:41:36 (permalink)
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    Bill, that helps. thanks a lot.

    What about any of the other issues noted above?

    From my expereience #7 is video card related. Try running X2 on a different computer known to have different hardware. Some graphics chips seem to have a hayday with Sonar.
     
     
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    Re:Piano Roll View inconsistencies 2012/10/09 15:06:01 (permalink)
    Steve - I'll try that

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