Donate for Sonar

Sure cakewalk can not put all their resources for debugging and fixes, so instead of us hoping for some things to be fixed and instead of whining, i thought that we should participate in this and donate money for debugging and fixes and improvements to the existing platform that we all love.

Imagine that instead of waiting for next year or the year after we can have improvements after 6 months, or maybe after one year we will have double what we would expect. cakewalk could hire extra people for this.  

It should not be conditional, cakewalk should decide on the fixes (but we can only suggest, and we shouldn't ask cakewalk later what was the outcome of this). it should be a pure "Donation".    

I see that everybody would jump to upgrade 3rd party plugins that comes with sonar for more than 100$ sometimes. so i will donate 100$ and maybe there is a rich guy out there that will give a six digits.

SO if people are interested cakewalk should find a way on their online store to do so.

I do not work for cakewalk, and most of the people would say that this is Cakewalk/Roland's responsibility to improve their software but i like to give it a try.

besides if sonar got improvements then more people will be interested in it and CW will hire more permanent staff and it would be a good leap. 

Joz

This is the strangest thread since i am a member of this forum.We should better study the manual of our DAW.My thought.

This thread should get completely out of hand interesting when some of the older boys see it.

Hi jaws,
is this a really serious question of you?
I ask this cause you may  want to give Cake a push
for faster  bugfixes aso......... 
Basically this is for a big business company an insult that the customer 
offer donation .
So I´m not sure how Cake acts on this.
As far as I know as a newer member of this forum,Cake has 
  a very customer based background,would they accept donation?  

I´m curious about the ongoing of your thread.
Peace
Pragi

I apologize if i insulted anybody, it was not my intention. and i did not intend to say that CW are not doing their job; i wanted to say that i love sonar and i want it to be perfect.

I'm not saying that others are better but anything can be improved more and why i should not help.

I think CW can access my account and they can know how much i like their products to buy a lot of them.

Since my intentions are totally misunderstood, i will remove this thread by myself. i will search the otions to see how to do that

FastBikerBoy


This thread should get completely out of hand interesting when some of the older boys see it.

An older boy made me read this thread.......

Hi jaws,
It´s at least  a good question and discusable idea in your thread,
I don´t think cake "feels " insulted 

regards

jaws44


I apologize if i insulted anybody, it was not my intention. and i did not intend to say that CW are not doing their job; i wanted to say that i love sonar and i want it to be perfect.

I'm not saying that others are better but anything can be improved more and why i should not help.

I think CW can access my account and they can know how much i like their products to buy a lot of them.

Since my intentions are totally misunderstood, i will remove this thread by myself. i will search the otions to see how to do that

Dude, you didn't insult anyone I don't think, we're just having a go at ya in good fun, if anyone gets insulted at anything that's not "yo mama" or "how ugly your face is" level, tell them to go stuff themselves and let them know they need to grow a pair.

Here, have a hug... yeah I'm drunk.. it's Saturday I'm allowed 

the premise of this thread seems to be well-meaning, but is flawed and impractical.

in software development, you can't just throw money -- especially temporary for hire money -- at the problem.

it has to be built-in, planned, architected, scaled, and provisioned for, for the the long run. a company can't run a yearly development cycle and business based on the hope they may or may not get donations.

the hire would have to be mentored in to a decades-old codebase.

no developer of this caliber would do this on a six month or year-long stint. it's a major career choice.

there are not many software developers in the world that have this kind of experience. this is the kind of thing where someone from, say, steinberg leaves and joins presonus (a real example of the two founding presonus engineers). is someone like that going to take a 3 month donation fund? no way. they've got families to feed, probably.

so, are you really proposing coming up with a six figure salary x 3 years minimum? cuz that's what it would take -- for just one developer of the kind of caliber they require.

all this is moot, anyway, the person best suited to fix the bugs is the engineer that created them. you hire outside help to add self-contained, product-ized new features, not to try to dig through someone else's code to fix their bugs.

you should forget about this, apply for a beta test position, and if accepted, actively contribute to it.

there are no more or less bugs in Sonar than any DAW. not being a Sonar fanboi -- i've mostly switched to Studio One, actually. :blush:

Jalcide has it right. 

The problem is that in order to meet release/revenue guidelines the developer has to push out less than fully tested versions. To meet the customer craving for new features it has to constantly start new projects before old ones are fully implemented. And to compete on price with other developers, it has to charge less than it needs to hire staff to fully support the product i.e. fix the bugs.

But even with unlimited resources it takes a certain amount of time for the bugs to surface, for the programmers to figure out why the program fails in these cases, to fix the bugs, and to test the fix to be sure it does not break something else. If a multi-billion dollar company like Microsoft is incapable of releasing software that works flawlessly out of the box, it is not because they need a donation.

CJaysMusic


This is the stupidest thing Ive ever read and Ive read some pretty stupid things in the past 7 years here.
Most of them written by myself LOL

You didn't think this through Bro
 
 
CJ

He, he.......



Everyone thinks it, CJ says it.

Sonar is an off-the-shelf product, not bespoke software! Imagine if we had the money to order a DAW to our exact specifications. 

No thanks, I think I'll just rely on Cakewalk to fix the software I paid good money for. I've already blown way more than I can strictly afford on plugs etc this year, there's no way I'm throwing money at Cakewalk like they're a charity case!

It's better if you send your donation directly to Roland. I made a rather large one and received one of these.

Don't feel bad if you don't recognize it, only for big contributors and only really worked well for a few months.

Still a great conversation piece if there are no women or children around. 

EJ

Jalcide


the premise of this thread seems to be well-meaning, but is flawed and impractical.

in software development, you can't just throw money -- especially temporary for hire money -- at the problem.

it has to be built-in, planned, architected, scaled, and provisioned for, for the the long run. a company can't run a yearly development cycle and business based on the hope they may or may not get donations.

the hire would have to be mentored in to a decades-old codebase.

no developer of this caliber would do this on a six month or year-long stint. it's a major career choice.

there are not many software developers in the world that have this kind of experience. this is the kind of thing where someone from, say, steinberg leaves and joins presonus (a real example of the two founding presonus engineers). is someone like that going to take a 3 month donation fund? no way. they've got families to feed, probably.

so, are you really proposing coming up with a six figure salary x 3 years minimum? cuz that's what it would take -- for just one developer of the kind of caliber they require.

all this is moot, anyway, the person best suited to fix the bugs is the engineer that created them. you hire outside help to add self-contained, product-ized new features, not to try to dig through someone else's code to fix their bugs.

you should forget about this, apply for a beta test position, and if accepted, actively contribute to it.

there are no more or less bugs in Sonar than any DAW. not being a Sonar fanboi -- i've mostly switched to Studio One, actually. :blush:

As an Software Engineer, I'd say you'd need a senior level developer, preferably one who understands music, but a senior level developer more than anything. No .Net, no Java, no Web guys, no Agile guys, no script kiddies. C/C++ developers need only apply, in Sonar's case - heavy MS experience.


Most of the bugs being mentioned here are quite solvable by a seasoned developer. Software development may seem like magic to some, but then again so is music to others. (Everybody go pat themselves on the back...)

BTW, the best person to fix a bug is generally anybody but the guy who created it. This is because people have blinders when looking at their own code. This isn't to say that the guy who created a piece of code isn't the quickest to navigate within that code.... however, proper architecture, design, and coding conventions do a lot to let other coders understand what is happening within a product's code. When looking at design issues - two heads are better than one.

sharke

SuperG

BTW, the best person to fix a bug is generally anybody but the guy who created it. This is because people have blinders when looking at their own code. This isn't to say that the guy who created a piece of code isn't the quickest to navigate within that code.... however, proper architecture, design, and coding conventions do a lot to let other coders understand what is happening within a product's code. When looking at design issues - two heads are better than one.

Given that finding and fixing an elusive bug is probably the next best thing to having an orgasm (except for sneezing), you'd think bug fixing would be #1 priority with these code heads. 

Ahh.. to be a fly on the wall at Baker Central... I've worked enough jobs to see most of the management styles used in software development, unfortunately, you can't really guess which one's in use simply by looking at their products..