Matrix Question??????

How in the h*ll do you get a cell to start from the beginning immediately while the transport is running????? I've tried every setting I can think of, and all it wants to do is follow the transport. With or without the follow transport button. This is with audio clips. I'm trying to play a background and then at the appropriate time trigger another sound on top of it. But I can't get the sound to trigger from the beginning.It always starts at some random point in the file if the transport is running. It works perfect if the transport isn't running. But that defeats the purpose. Any Matrix experts out there????

Yeah did that. Doesn't work for me.

It's acting as if the "follow transport" button has no bearing on anything. As if it's just always on. Drop an audio file on a track. Open the matrix view add another audio file to the matrix. Play the track and then attempt to play the matrix. No matter what setting I put it on the matrix won't start from the beginning if you have the regular track playing.

Not sure which button you're referring to. There is the button with the arrow and the circle that shows the progress. When I click on it, it lights up and shows the progress (which is not starting at the beginning). When I play the regular track if I don't click on it, it stays dark. It's obvious to me that the audio clip in the matrix is following the regular track. If I click on the matrix one second into the regular track, it plays the matrix audio clip one second from it's beginning. And I just read the help file and yes the clip start button is engaged.

Let me clear some of this confusion(or add to it), if a Clip already resides in the track and you press play it doesn't do any thing but play whats on the track and not the clip in Matrix right i.e it doesn't restart the clip in Matrix.

That is the way it works it will not jump back on the timeline only move forward and play what is on the track and overrides the Matrix. You need to make sure the cell the matrix clip is using is on an empty track.

What you need to do is to start with an empty project load all of your cells and record that performance. Once you've done that you can't go back and change that performance dynamically, you have to start a new project or record over the one you just did or add a new track corresponding to the Matrix cell you are trying to trigger..

It's a one shot performance tool(using the "Record Performance" button in the Matrix), if you want to change anything after a performance you have to start over or do another project once the performance is recorded to the timeline.

You can't mix and match it's either all in the Matrix or the recorded performance plus added tracks later or a new empty track corresponding to the Matrix cell. Once a track is recorded you cannot change it dynamically with out recording over your previous performance.

I hope that help's to explain the Matrix system enough to understand how you can use this tool.

^^^^swamptooth's explanation is worth heeding^^^^

I'm assuming after reading the thread in context that the problem is something other than what I was thinking, please disregard my previous post if not applicable.

Hopefully you will get this solved.

Hi,

I just want to try and sum up the "possible solution" after everyone added (very) useful information.

- Put your intro into an EMPTY track JUST for that purpose: your matrix rows are always linked to a track, so when you add new sounds in a new row, please ensure that this row is linked to a new track. If needed add manually a new audio track, and link this row to it (with the dropdown under the name of the row) In FastBikerBoy example picture it's linked to an audio track calledMatrix row 1, which I believe is the automatic behaviour. You need to change that to YOUR audio track.
=> One audio track ONLY for your intro + One audio track for EACH Matrix rows

- If your cell has the Immediate setting it will trigger as soon as you click it

Hope it helps

swamptooth


hey karl would you mind taking a look at my vid clip and offering any sugestions

Of course no problem. Where's the clip?

Hi there. Just tried something similar. I get the repeating first note if not in direct mode but not consistently, sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't.

I don't get the triggering every measure but I can't seem to get out of "Play from now" mode, so the trigger happens when I want it to, it records at the correct point but it triggers wherever it happens to be in the pattern at the time.

I suspect you might be seeing the same thing but it's more obvious to me because I am using a pattern rather than just a couple of notes.

I haven't really got a lot of time to have a play around at the moment and probably won't have until tomorrow at the earliest. I'll do a bit more investigating then.

Thanks everyone for your replies and ideas. Just to clarify, I'm using X2. Let me explain how I'm trying to use this. I run a live theater and use Sonar X2 to automate our shows. It has worked great for years. I use to be able to use the matrix with earlier versions. But something has changed in X2. I use to use the matrix to be able to layer a sound effect on top of a background track on the fly. So lets say I had a scene going on with background music playing and needed to have a recording of a phone ring play on top of the background music as soon as the actor said a certain line . . . While the background music was playing all the technician would have to do is click on the appropriate matrix cell to trigger the sound. I gave up yesterday. Ran out of time. I'm now using an Ipad to trigger those additional sounds for a performance that happens for the next few days. I'm still hopeful that the matrix could once again be useful for me. It used to work.

Cody


Thanks everyone for your replies and ideas. Just to clarify, I'm using X2. Let me explain how I'm trying to use this. I run a live theater and use Sonar X2 to automate our shows. It has worked great for years. I use to be able to use the matrix with earlier versions. But something has changed in X2. I use to use the matrix to be able to layer a sound effect on top of a background track on the fly. So lets say I had a scene going on with background music playing and needed to have a recording of a phone ring play on top of the background music as soon as the actor said a certain line . . . While the background music was playing all the technician would have to do is click on the appropriate matrix cell to trigger the sound. I gave up yesterday. Ran out of time. I'm now using an Ipad to trigger those additional sounds for a performance that happens for the next few days. I'm still hopeful that the matrix could once again be useful for me. It used to work.

I can see that the bug that swamptooth has highlighted could cause problems depending on the clip being triggered. Having given Swamptooths video a little more thought I think we (him and me) are seeing the same bug. If they were just two whole notes in his video and the clip is constantly following the now time then it wouldn't sound when triggered because it would be halfway through a note that would only sound once the loop reached the beginning again, presumably at the start of the measure. The recording would seem to happen in the correct place though and would also presumably play back correctly.

If you had a pattern of quarter notes you wouldn't neccesarily notice it or on an audio clip either assuming the bug affects audio and again material dependent.

To conclude I think the bug is the fact that the clip follows the now time regardless of setting. Everything else seems to be a derivative of that.

hey karl, nice theory but it's not borne out by how the matrix in x1 would handle the same events.  the midi notes would trigger immediately whith transport on and record correctly as well. i will post a vid later to demonstrate. 

ah. gotccha. im starting to wonder if its tied toa clips properties...

yeah karl, thanks for confirming this.  same results with audio cells here as well for the most part.  i had a bit of oddness in x1 but nothing this dramatic. sometimes the note on events would trigger a bit late but i was chalking that up to midi latency or the soft synths ramping up and needing a bit of time to respond to note on events but now i'm not so sure that it wasn't a bug that carried over and got compounded by the matrix changes.  exactly why i am putting together vids to document issues so that i can link to them in the problem reporter. i'm really hoping it helps the techs out as far as understanding what a certain issue is - words can sometimes compound misunderstanding.

Thanks for the fix Noel! I'll be looking forward to the next patch. I wasn't sure if it was a bug or user error on my part. I currently have a bug report sent in about the scroll line disappearing with the "Playlist". I hope it's as easy a fix.