X2a - Still unable to 'chase long notes'?

Yep.

Given that this won't guarantee the note plays back with the correct sound at the right time (think long attack), I think this is a good thing to protect users that SONAR doesn't.  I can imagine the complaints that users could generate.

Would be good to have this as an option. I've used other DAWs that chase notes and found it more of a help than a problem.

maxsax


Would be good to have this as an option. I've used other DAWs that chase notes and found it more of a help than a problem.

I don't know which daws you're talking about, but if they're not as buggy as Sonar, it might actually be a problem. 

Jlien X


"If playback starts after a note start, the note will be played as though its start time were at the position at which playback started" 

This is a quote from the Personus Studio One 2 manual.

Zonno

This is a quote from the Personus Studio One 2 manual.

Yep. When I first used S1, I thought "Wow!"

stevec

I don't use S1 for MIDI
  

Good decision. Still an immature DAW for MIDI. Although I like the "Legato and Overlap Correction" feature (Want Sonar to have it as well).

jb101
  
@Jlien X - RE your comment "If they're not as buggy as Sonar" - I have not found Sonar any more "buggy" than most DAWS.  Your comments seem to be somewhat loaded.  It works very well here.  Very few bugs.
 
 

I'm sorry if they sounded loaded, but I actually still find Sonar buggy. For example...


this
http://forum.cakewalk.com...px?m=2746358&high=


and this
http://forum.cakewalk.com...px?m=2786346&high=

and this, too (maybe you can try this for me?)
http://forum.cakewalk.com...px?m=2791453&high=


And lots of Sonar users ditched Sonar and went for S1, calling Sonar buggy (and they don't seem to come back even after the X2 release).


But believe me, I love Sonar. That's why I've been using it for over 10 years.

Bristol_Jonesey

Your first 2 "bugs" both seem to be system specific and, these features are working for myself and other members 

Who are these "lots of Sonar users who ditched it in favour of S1"?

All I see on the forum are increasing numbers of new users, almost on a daily basis

Thanks for checking the links. These 'other members' are mostly Producer and Studio users, aren't they? If some Essential user could post here and tell me these features do work fine in his Sonar, I'd immediately contact tech support (Cake themselves confirmed the first issue as a bug in the Essential version, as I mentioned in the thread). 

As for the "system specific" assumption, my HP ProBook 4710s clears all requirements listed in the X2 Essential system requirements page (if T9600 is higher than E8200). So all the features in the X2 reference guide are supposed to work on my system.
http://www.cakewalk.com/p..cts/SONAR/X2-Essential/

The "lots of Sonar users who ditched it in favour of S1" statement was for X1, and has nothing to do with the current bugs in X2. I made it confusing. Sorry about that (don't go any further ).

BTW, I forgot to mention what I consider to be a major bug. The Colors option.

Jlien X

Bristol_Jonesey

Your first 2 "bugs" both seem to be system specific and, these features are working for myself and other members 

Who are these "lots of Sonar users who ditched it in favour of S1"?

All I see on the forum are increasing numbers of new users, almost on a daily basis

Thanks for checking the links. These 'other members' are mostly Producer and Studio users, aren't they? If some Essential user could post here and tell me these features do work fine in his Sonar, I'd immediately contact tech support (Cake themselves confirmed the first issue as a bug in the Essential version, as I mentioned in the thread). 

As for the "system specific" assumption, my HP ProBook 4710s clears all requirements listed in the X2 Essential system requirements page (if T9600 is higher than E8200). So all the features in the X2 reference guide are supposed to work on my system.
http://www.cakewalk.com/p..cts/SONAR/X2-Essential/

The "lots of Sonar users who ditched it in favour of S1" statement was for X1, and has nothing to do with the current bugs in X2. I made it confusing. Sorry about that (don't go any further ).

BTW, I forgot to mention what I consider to be a major bug. The Colors option.

No problem 


I also agree that the lack of full colour customisation doesn't really contribute to a better workflow experience.


I don't think of it as a bug though, just a half developed feature (which used to work, but has never been optimal)


When you see some of the screens Panup has managed to create using nothing more than industry wide tools, it begs the question why can't Cakewalk implement this?


This is one of the more frequent complaints that I read about, and it applies across the user spectrum - new users are disappointed and most of  the older heads are perplexed (and disappointed)

How does Cubase handle the attack portion when it picks up a note mid-stream?  
 

stevec


How does Cubase handle the attack portion when it picks up a note mid-stream?

I strongly suspect the answer is "not very well", which is why I would still opt for freezing/recording tracks with long notes as soon as possible in the composition process. There's no way re-triggering a note in the middle of its duration is going to sound right, except in the specific case that it's playing a low-volume pad with a soft attack and timbre and amplitude that do not evolve significantly over time.


I'm guessing the Bakers have looked into it, and decided it's not worth the programming effort given that it will sound wrong more often than right, and will probably generate more support calls and bug reports from users who don't understand the function's limitations, and why it so often gives bad results. 

In the situation you're describing Martin, I would be inclined to insert separate whole measure length notes instead of one long note.

If all you're doing is triggering an Arp then the attack portion of the note should pretty much contain all the useful audio data, unless of course I'm totally missing what you're doing.

Bear in mind I haven't had any coffee yet this morning.