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Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
Hi everyone, I am currently having a problem during final mixing down to cd mp3 41000 16 bit from a wav file mastered. The problem is after bouncing down from sonar x2, I could hear some kind of background noises ( like zzz). And I do not know why this happens, I am really frustrated on this thing. The original does not sound like that. It may sounds close to clipping but its not. I have 24 bit during recording as normal. Here are the two files that you can listen directly on the website to see the problem. Original vocal sound : https://www.box.com/s/a2f3dbpa6iwto015ve9g The vocal sound with problem: https://www.box.com/s/yomotfc37dgknlobiu84 Please help ! I really appreciate for your help.
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/02/27 06:37:51
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Wow! What language is that? Sounds cool. But yes, I hear it. And I don't know actually, but there are certainly some artifacts in there. Are you recording at 44100 or 48000? Are you using dithering and 64-bit double precision engine when bouncing? If not, try turning it on in the export dialogue. You could try to export your song directly to mp3 as well and see if that will give you a better result.
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/02/27 07:19:27
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Judging by the name it's Japanese. Nice melody. The same thoughts as ProjectM. Also, sometimes different effect can cause problems. Maybe there is nothing wrong with the effects but sometimes they can become a problem. It's rare but there have been times that I've had to reload effects.
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/02/27 07:25:34
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Do you get that when converting a stero wav file to mp3 with Sonar? I understand that it is a good suggestion if the project is bounced out to mp3 - or some other format, but the OP seems to be converting from a wav-file and if the original file sounds ok, then I don't think a dodgy effect is the problem. What it sounds like to me is that the conversion of certain frequencies are messed up in the process.
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/02/27 12:04:02
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Are you using Sonar's mp3 encoder?? If so, check out this thread: Sonar mp3 encoder problem. I had used Sonar's encoder extensively until this little problem cropped up. No problems at all since switching.
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/02/27 13:09:56
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Weird, I need to add this to my note pad. Ive been using Cake Encoder since joining without any probs. I know Ill forget this if I ever have a problem creep up with it.
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/02/27 13:41:44
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If it was mastered to 0dB ,then that may be your problem. when mastering there shoudl be a very small amount of room left over for MP3 conversion. The mastered song should peak at -0.02dB to - -0.04dB. This leaves enough room for any mathematical errors when converting to an MP3 Your welcome, CJ
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/02/27 14:05:59
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I hear it also. Could you give a more detailed description of your export process like the options you used? Are you doing any processing in sonar other then exporting to mp3 that the wave doesn't have? Also, did you record the track in sonar or import it? If imported maybe something happened during import?
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/02/27 16:55:06
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For the peak limit, I even left it peaks at - 10 db, It stills sounds like that. And it happens to all DAW. I tried sudio one, and sonar x2. What I did : Using a laptop core ị windows x64 4 gb RAM, Audio interface Focusrite 2i2 1) Open a 24 bit project and record my vocals 24 bit 2) If I export to wav then its ok, sounds the same, but if I export to mp3 128 kb/s, problem exists UPDATED: I just tried export to mp3 320 kb/s, The problem is gone, It is ok for me for now but 320 kb/s makes a song have even more then 12 MB of file. >>> I want to export in MP3 128 kb/s without problem. Thanks so much for your help guys !
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/02/27 17:10:45
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stan_tnguyen I am currently having a problem during final mixing down to cd mp3 41000 16 bit from a wav file mastered. The problem is after bouncing down from sonar x2, I could hear some kind of background noises ( like zzz). Try making the MP3 from the original file without changing the bit depth. For example, if your project is 96khz/24bit ... try exporting the project to a 96kHz/24bit file and make an MP3 directly from that file. When making MP3's, you do not have to make them from a 16bit file. It can be any bit depth. What it sounds like is maybe some kind of artifact from the dithering process from when you are changing the file from 24bit to 16bit. NOTE: I've never used Sonar to create an MP3. I know it can be done directly from a project. If that's what you are doing, and there is a 'Dither' option, turn it off and see if that helps. Good luck. Bub.
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/02/27 17:17:17
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Your going to get artifacts at lower bit rates. That's just how it works. I always export at 44.1/16 regardless of higher sample rate bit depth of sonar project at 192 kHz mp3. Those settings should sound good. 128 you will hear artifacting or what ever you want to call it. 192 should be fine. Also, I believe sonar will fail making the mp3 if you don't choose 44.1/16 for export for mp3.
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/02/28 04:17:45
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isn't japanese "harder"? i would guess taiwanese, chinese or something Guitarpima Judging by the name it's Japanese. Nice melody. The same thoughts as ProjectM. Also, sometimes different effect can cause problems. Maybe there is nothing wrong with the effects but sometimes they can become a problem. It's rare but there have been times that I've had to reload effects.
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/02/28 05:54:38
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Or it could be Vietnamese.... Come on Stan, what language is it? 128kb/s mp3s have always been borderline for good or bad. However, it should be possible to export or convert to a 128kb/s without too many artifacts. What exactly is your export options when you do the conversion? And if you export directly to mp3 from the project, du you get the same noise?
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/02/28 06:00:52
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it sounds as if the bit rate is too low. I would try a higher bit rate.
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/02/28 12:03:12
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I can export an MP3 with 128 bitrate and have no artifacts. So it pretty clear that your MP3 converter is pretty 'lame', no pun intended :) As said before, 320 is the closest you can get to a 16bit, 44.1khz wave file in sound quality and htis is what i export to. A few KB/s's is nothing to worry about. If your worry about a few kb/s, then its time to purchase a hard drive. CJ
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/02/28 12:53:52
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mixing down to cd mp3 41000 16 bit MP3s are data files not audio files so they don't use sample rate or bit depth. They use bit rate. 128 bps is the minimum for barely CD quality, 192 is better, 256 and 320 are even better, but the more bits per second, the bigger the file.
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/02/28 14:49:44
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ProjectM Or it could be Vietnamese.... Come on Stan, what language is it? 128kb/s mp3s have always been borderline for good or bad. However, it should be possible to export or convert to a 128kb/s without too many artifacts. What exactly is your export options when you do the conversion? And if you export directly to mp3 from the project, du you get the same noise? It is Vietnamese or at least that's what I found out by Googling it.
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/02/28 15:31:19
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CJaysMusic I can export an MP3 with 128 bitrate and have no artifacts. So it pretty clear that your MP3 converter is pretty 'lame', no pun intended :) As said before, 320 is the closest you can get to a 16bit, 44.1khz wave file in sound quality and htis is what i export to. A few KB/s's is nothing to worry about. If your worry about a few kb/s, then its time to purchase a hard drive. CJ If you can export a 128 kHz mp3 with no artifacts using some superior codec then why even bother making 320 kHz mp3s when the only point of mp3s is to reduce file size? Don't keep this codec a secret. What is it?
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/02/28 16:35:58
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I made this one Sonar X2 with Focusrite 2i2 interface, Presonus Tubepre preamp. This song is in Vietnamese ! Just don't care about the language. please help me listening and comment about the sound quality overall, specially vocals.
From the song forum,,, funny he never replied there either. What CJ said about mastering at 0Db then converting,, there was a huge discussion about this and it's true. The MP3 needs a little more head room,,, mind you a zzzz sounds more like a fly in the studio to me.
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/02/28 22:37:17
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i couldn't listen to the audio files so i don't know what's the problem but however i try to help. before exporting an audio file stop the engine and start again and wait a min then try exporting again. if the kbs are too low the audio might loose some frequencies. and try live audible exporting, not fast conversion. ok i think you have already tried it out but if not Try it ah sorry you have already found a solution for your problem. next time i will read better. Good Luck
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/03/01 11:34:11
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If you can export a 128 kHz mp3 with no artifacts using some superior codec then why even bother making 320 kHz mp3s when the only point of mp3s is to reduce file size? WDI, I guess you never ever uploaded any songs to the internet before. Most media players that are integrated into websites only take MP3's. So why in the world would you want to uplaod a 128 bitrate when you can keep most of the sound quality in a MP3 at 320 bitrate? The differenc ebetween 128 and 320 bitrate is HUGE!!! That's one great reason why WDI. But if you dont care about sound quality, then you have no need to use a 320 bitrate and you can stick with 128 bitrate. CJ
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/03/01 12:36:12
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CJaysMusic I can export an MP3 with 128 bitrate and have no artifacts. So it pretty clear that your MP3 converter is pretty 'lame', no pun intended :) As said before, 320 is the closest you can get to a 16bit, 44.1khz wave file in sound quality and htis is what i export to. A few KB/s's is nothing to worry about. If your worry about a few kb/s, then its time to purchase a hard drive. CJ This is what I was referring to. Thought that was obvious. I guess we are saying the same thing relatively speaking. I was just questioning you saying you can export a 128 kHz mp3 without artifacts. I dont think so. You make it sound like if you can't it's because of the codec. Then you went on to say you export at 320 khz. So i asked why do that if your 128 has no artifacts. See the contradiction. I was asking what you use that you can. But sounds like you can't so I must have misunderstood what you were saying. Don't worry, I understand mp3s and what they are used for. Where in the world did you get the idea I use 128 kHz mp3? I think you fail at reading posts cj. Or maybe just misunderstand what I was getting at.
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/03/01 14:27:21
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No WDI, your saying this below "why even bother making 320 kHz mp3s when the only point of mp3s is to reduce file size?" I'm not saying what you are saying. There are reasons why you should use 320 bitrate and your saying "Why Bother" We are at opposite poles regarding this. You can use 128 with lower sound quality and ill keep on using 320 bitrate Cj
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/03/01 14:53:59
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WDI CJaysMusic I can export an MP3 with 128 bitrate and have no artifacts. So it pretty clear that your MP3 converter is pretty 'lame', no pun intended :) As said before, 320 is the closest you can get to a 16bit, 44.1khz wave file in sound quality and htis is what i export to. A few KB/s's is nothing to worry about. If your worry about a few kb/s, then its time to purchase a hard drive. CJ If you can export a 128 kHz mp3 with no artifacts using some superior codec then why even bother making 320 kHz mp3s when the only point of mp3s is to reduce file size? Don't keep this codec a secret. What is it? Cj you should go work or the news media with your partial quoting and twisting of what's being said to suit your own objective what ever that is right or wrong. Above is the whole quote. It's obviously what's being said. Sorry you still live in your own misguided world.
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/03/01 15:36:45
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Dude, stop trying to back out of your stupid quote. you said what you said. I'm sorry you said it as it boggle me to think you never think about sound quality and then you say we are saying the same thing. HUH???? We are not saying the same thing. If you can export a 128 kHz mp3 with no artifacts using some superior codec then why even bother making 320 kHz mp3s when the only point of mp3s is to reduce file size? Don't keep this codec a secret. What is it? Ill say this, again for you. Most media players that are integrated into websites only take MP3's. So why in the world would you want to upload a 128 bit rate when you can keep most of the sound quality in a MP3 at 320 bitrate? The difference between 128 and 320 bitrate is HUGE!!! That is one reason why you should not use 128bitrate. 30 is way better, so you can keep thinking that the only difference in 128 bitrate and 320 bitrate is file size, but its not. and i'm 1000000% correct on this. Its simple mathematics. The higher the bitrate, the better the sound quality. Maybe you need to go back to school or maybe not, since i just schooled you!!! :) You are saying, "why bother using 128" and that is not whats is being said LOL. I just explained the reason why you should bother using 320 for your MP3s.
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/03/01 15:49:00
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Lets make this simple WDI: Your saying "Why Bother converting to 320 if you can conver to 128 with no artifacts" I'm saying "You should bother, if you care about sound quality"
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
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Oh, hey Tim Tim. Timayy!!!! Nuh-nuh-nuh-nice chair you got thu-there Tim Tim. Timayy!!!!
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
2013/03/01 17:23:52
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@ CJ OMG! This is so ridiculous and I'm sure anyone reading this is having a very good laugh. I would be. Don't know why I'm wasting my breath as this will more than likely go over your head again. I'll try my best to explain this again. To me it was clear what I was trying to convey. But maybe not. And dude, I've been around here long enough and seen your posts to know you can't school me. And by the way, I never participated in some of those CJ bashing threads in the past when I had every good reason too. We are saying the same thing. Higher bit rate MP3s sound better. That is obvious. We agree! This whole thing started from me questioning this, what you posted... [font="arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 18.399999618530273px; line-height: normal"] CJaysMusic I can export an MP3 with 128 bitrate and have no artifacts. So it pretty clear that your MP3 converter is pretty 'lame', no pun intended :) As said before, 320 is the closest you can get to a 16bit, 44.1khz wave file in sound quality and htis is what i export to. A few KB/s's is nothing to worry about. If your worry about a few kb/s, then its time to purchase a hard drive. CJ Looks like your saying you can output a 128 bit rate mp3 with no artifacts. To me this sounds like your saying no artifacts, meaning it does not suffer from the low quality sound of low bit rate mp3s. I asked you what codec you're using that does this. You still have not answered. My comment of... If you can export a 128 kHz mp3 with no artifacts using some superior codec then why even bother making 320 kHz mp3s when the only point of mp3s is to reduce file size? That was pointed at you for what you said. It shouldn't be that hard to understand that fact. I'm definitely not saying lower bit rate mp3s sound as good as higher bit rate mp3s. I never said that. Or intended to say that. I don't know how to make this any clearer. Sorry to the rest about this meaningless rant. But it totally bugs me when someone says I'm saying something that I'm not. And maybe my earlier posts were not clear. I can handle that and can clarify what I intended to say. CJ has done this in the past where his only intention is to try to get people upset. He has posted numerous times he enjoys doing that. He likes to call other people kids but in reality he acts like a kid and just like a bully. That is why so many on this forum felt compelled to give him a hard time in the past after years of him doing this.
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Re:Problem when mixing down to mp3 16 bit ! Please help !
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And this forum software does blow! I had the most difficult time getting the above post formatted how I wanted it. Then on top of that it's not formatted correctly. I'd fix it. But when I went in to edit it it was messing it up more. LOL. Oh well.
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