KORG Legacy Collection 64-bit Compatibility!

Yay! :)

Native 64-bit VST plug-in is now supported on Windows 7 or later.
Windows 8 is now supported.

Free update for registered users.

See korg user net.

Thanks for the heads up.
 
Once I get back home I will get MonoPoly installed on my new DAW, hopefully I will not get any reoccurance of the licensing issues I was having.
 
If it all sweet I may pick up the M1 at some stage.

Thanks for the heads up, ol pal!!

My pleasure guys.

Hope that fixes your issue, Glyn. I've experienced similar problems (if I understand correctly) w/ Focusrite's plug-ins and Cakewalk. In both cases, I had to re-authorize the plugs every x days or months.

Rain
Cheers - that's all my stuff upgraded to 64bit - oh of course excepting iMad IK Multimedia software........if only...........
Nigel

Looking at the install instructions for the KORG Legacy Collection it looks like the plugins need your DAW to be connected to the internet for activation, is this correct?.

Great news.  Thanks.
 
Now if ImageLine will only get their act together and finish with the 64-bit ports of their synths, my entire world will happily be 64-bit compatible.
Edit: Oh yeah ... and Sample Tank gets the rumored upgrade ... not that I'm sure I even care that much anymore.

This is good news, looking forward to trying these out again

aries


Looking at the install instructions for the KORG Legacy Collection it looks like the plugins need your DAW to be connected to the internet for activation, is this correct?.

I know that that is how it works by default and I didn't check if there were any alternative, because my DAW is connected.

aries


Looking at the install instructions for the KORG Legacy Collection it looks like the plugins need your DAW to be connected to the internet for activation, is this correct?.

Don't complain.  The first release of M1 and Wavestation required a custom dongle.  Happily Korg saw the light of reason. 

A little research and it seems that they can be authorized from another computer.

http://www.korgforums.com...6a5efb2b9c213ad755978a

I have had both the real Wavestation and the software version and believe me the software sounds incredible and there is NO difference. I have a real M1 right now but would not hesitate to ditch it for the plugin. With the M1 plugin you also get every PCM card that Korg released for the M1 which is quite a thing to have.

I have heard also that Korg made some subtle refinements in the software versions that are not in the hardware. One reviewer actually said he thought the software sounded a little nicer and I would not doubt it either.

I think Korg are possibly the best people to model their own hardware. The analog synths are meant to sound amazing also.

It is easy to authorise any of their plugins and once you have done it you don't have to be on line ever again for them to work. A while back I had a C drive issue and had to replace it. I used Acronis to make a clone of my C drive in real time and it worked perfectly. The Wavestation plugin was the only thing that knew that I had done it though and needed to be re authorised but that was painless as well and it has been working ever since.

Between Ol Pal and Jeff, I'm really having a tough time to resist buying the Wavestation. ;)

As I mentioned recently in the CH, a friend from back home recently sent me music to work on and the tracks made using Korg plugs definitely stood out nicely. 

From personal experience, I can only speak of their Mono/Poly so far, but it became an instant favorite.

Rain you will not be sorry investing in Wavestation. And please don't think it is only good for spaced out complex evolving textures. It is full of bread and butter patches that also sound incredible. 

But I must admit Wavestation is one hell of a synth and really there is not much out there that can do what it does. I fell in serious love when I first heard the hardware. Like the M1 you get all the RAM cards and all the internal memories that were around at the time. You can work the joystick and record all its moves too and play them back. That is when things start to get interesting.

Do me a favour when you get it Rain go to Rom 11 and select sound 1 'Deep Atmosphere' you will fall over when you hear it!

I do a lot of complex ambient stuff and really it is an essential synth for that. But there are tons of normal sounds in it too. It also works as a stand alone very nicely so you can just audition patches and have fun with playing with it that way too.

I owned the M1 LE version and was always intrigued with it. I was on the line about updating but based on the recommendations I sprung for the entire legacy collection for $99. Less than $15 each is a steal!

Downloading now...

Thanks for the heads up Rain.

Kind regards,
Rick

:) 

Thanks, Jeff. I most certainly will. I'm just trying to wait after tonight's session, but I may not be able to wait that long.

I picked up the whole collection as soon as I saw the news on Twitter. Got the $99 M1 Le upgrade deal as well. Can't beat that. 

So far its all working smoothly in X2a x64.  Wavestation and Mono/Poly are especially yummy. 

BTW - first post! Long time lurker, long time cake/sonar user. 

ok.. I guess someone here will know

the bundle with the keyboard.. does it have to be used to use the legacy bundle??  much like EMU's special version of something checks for emu hardware.
reason why, 
legacy bundle off korg site = £130 *ROUGHLY*

legacy bundle from UK shop = £139 *WITH keyboard* ... if they are only charging £9 for a 5 octave keyboard.. I'd rather go with that.

I don't know, but I'd like it if someone had an answer to that. We're moving soon and since we're finally settling down, I can finally consider a bigger midi keyboard. a 61 keys to replace my old 49 would be awesome.

Something tells me that it's the unrestricted version of the software - simply because I imagine that there would be an upgrade option, like for the M1 LE owners.
It's already quite amazing how affordable Korg make this software. I've seen synths that were pretty average by comparison sell for 2 or 3 times as much.


BTW - Jeff and Ol Pal - couldn't resist. Just ordered the darn thing during my first break. Downloading as I speak. :)

Dick Martini



BTW - first post! Long time lurker, long time cake/sonar user. 

Welcome to these boards from a fellow (expatriate) Canadian.

eh ? (I've been canada, know who red & green are.. that counts right ? :) )

I think it's the same software.. but I need to know 101% . I also emailed Korg to find out.

The Korg controller keyboard is just like any other controller keyboard, USB etc.

The Legacy software is just bundled with the keyboard and is independent of the keyboard.  just a really nice thing Korg threw in.

They work independently of each other.

I have the Legacy M1 software - it's so so nice.  The bundle is to expensive with keyboard or just the bundle for me right now.

I am thinking of just paying for the Legacy Wavestation and the effects products as I want those and am not really interested in the analog plugins.  $49 +$20 doesn't seem that bad for everything included.

There are so many banks for these synths on the internet the amount of sounds is just incredible.  for M1 and Wavestation I have found about 8000 sounds that were once purchased hardware cards and companies just threw the sounds on the web free - can even purchase some add on banks still from some companies.

I thought of Legacy as old maybe useful but have found I use these all the time now.  I use them more than Rapture or Zeta from Cakewalk.

glad they are 64 bit now - though the 32bit worked just fine in Sonar x64 with no issues.

if your on the fence at all just take the plunge - totally worth it and there are many sounds to be had that are not throw away sounds.

Got the updates for the M1, WS and MDEX.  Odd thing tho was I had to log out, get off the net and then re-login for each update.  Bit of a bother but no biggie.

MachineClaw


I have the Legacy M1 software - it's so so nice.  The bundle is to expensive with keyboard or just the bundle for me right now.

the joke is , for me to buy the bundle.. *WITH* the keyboard from the shop it's only £9 / $18 ish more. I only can get the software version from the website *NOT* any shop. so it's pointless to just get the synths.. the keyboard is easily worth £30-50 of anyone's money :)

korg confirmed it would work standalone also..

I never assume stuff that is bundled will work elsewhere.. due to using vst's that are DAW specific and won't work elsewhere.

Rain: It's already quite amazing how affordable Korg make this software. I've seen synths that were pretty average by comparison sell for 2 or 3 times as much. 

Yes it is quite amazing. Great value!  

The Korg M1 (legacy) is multi-part (x8) as for the others I guess multi-instances (as a workaround) will do without too much of a load on the CPU?... I'm wondering what the CPU hit is like with 'all' these Korg synths? 

Hi Rain. If you are thinking the output level from the Wavestation is a little on the low side you are correct. I tend to go to the Global settings and add + 6dB to the output level. It seems to help a lot and bring the Wavestation level up to other things a bit more.

Hope you are enjoying it!  It is one cool puppy you have to admit.

Jeff - I have only played w/ the standalone version so I didn't really notice it was quieter, but I did notice it when I used Mono/Poly in Logic. So I'm guessing that their synths are all quieter. Thanks for the tip.

SongCraft


Rain: It's already quite amazing how affordable Korg make this software. I've seen synths that were pretty average by comparison sell for 2 or 3 times as much. 

It's even more amazing that the upgrade is free for us 32 bit users!

   
      REPOSTING QUESTION: 

I'm wondering what the CPU hit is like with all these Korg synths? 



EDIT: 


Nevermind; I got my answer (and more) from a very good and trustworthy site.  


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Not much, very acceptable CPU hit (Wavestation anyway)

Ok, I almost forgot I had chicken soup on the stove simmering away. 

Quickly, I was reading interesting articles on SOS site 3 part + other articles. Anyway, the CPU hit on older processors can peak @ 50% for the Wavestation but on newer processors it shouldn't go any more than say 25%. Poly6 moreso. The MS20 has a CPU Loading Threshold that can be set. The M1 is good though with 8x multi and the IFX it will of course add some CPU overhead. *Phew* OK, this time I've got to go and have my desserts. 



Edit: Just got back to add links -- these are 'old articles' but most of it still relevant:  

Korg Legacy Collection
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Update

M1 - Collections (Sounds) seems like they also included the kitchen sink....










So, newer systems should be adequate enough to run the MI, Poly6 and WaveStation simultaneously.

Both the M1 and WaveStation are 8x Multi-Part. 

IIRC Korg hardware, the sounds are quite rich and useable. Though I mostly recall the M1 and Poly 6, but I do trust that Wavestation is also pretty darn good after listening to demos on YouTube. 

It's also cool that Modulation and Arps can be sync'd to host and it's easy enough setting up CC.  

I've owned the Legacy Digital Collection since it first came out but stopped using it since I went all 64 bit.
 
Having now updated to the 64 bit versions I'm remembering how much I love the Wavestation.
 
Plus having recently bought a Kronos I've now got a real hardware joystick to use with WS!
 
Happy days.

If you have the Wavestation, make sure you get the massive collection of 132 banks in post #3 over here:
http://www.korgforums.com...3549557430e7da49357f22

A lot of them are very good & it'll take days just previewing them and creating banks of the best patches.

I've been messing w/ Wavestation for a couple of hours, piling up tracks and instances and the CPU meter in Logic merely shows any sign of stress, on my "old" MacBook Pro (late 2010). 

The Korg stuff certainly falls into the very CPU efficient plugs category.


And now that I have the Mono/Poly and WS, that MS-20 is really starting to look cool... :P

Rain


I've been messing w/ Wavestation for a couple of hours, piling up tracks and instances and the CPU meter in Logic merely shows any sign of stress, on my "old" MacBook Pro (late 2010). 

The Korg stuff certainly falls into the very CPU efficient plugs category.


And now that I have the Mono/Poly and WS, that MS-20 is really starting to look cool... :P

I didn't consider Korg Legacy earlier when I was shopping around for synths, I got a Synapse Dune instead which is also CPU friendly (can easily handle several instances) and I love the filters, they sound so silky smooth (particularly at the top-end). But I will definitely get the WS and other Korg Legacies soon.

Have fun :-) 


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Thanks Jeff M for that. I downloaded those only to find I already had them but they were well hidden! So your post was like finding a hidden treasure. Yes there are some great patches amongst them for sure.

I found another folder full of sysex files next to the above files and they seem to be for the Wavestation too. I could notget them to load in. I sorted that out. (read the Manual) Turns out I had a lot of sysex files but some of them were faulty and just did nothing when loaded in. ie no patches changed from previous bank. Most are fine and load in banks the same way as the other format files. (wsram)

Yeah, I just got the WS yesterday and I'm really liking it.
Going through the patches & figuring out how the sounds are being built and getting ideas on what the thing can do.

The building blocks are there to come up with some interesting stuff, just have to dig in a little and suss it all out.

Easily worth the $50.

Is this available for those who do not have the any of the colloection?

The Wavestation demo might let you load in those wsrams, but I'm not sure if there are any other restrictions other than the 30 day access thing.


It might just let you play but not load/save.

Mosvalve


Is this available for those who do not have the any of the colloection?

When these first came on the market, I recall that you could only buy bundles.  Now I think you can get any individual synth for $49.  Check the Korg site.

Another synth that is really nice and if you like Wavestation you are going to like this. It is called Plex 2 by Wolfgang Palm. It is totally free. I am running the 32 bit version and it is perfect and stable. I believe the latest update includes 64 bit operation.

It is very nice, comes with a lot of patches and is of a very similar vibe to Wavestation in terms of interesting textures, single shots and rhythmical things. It has an interesting interface that allows you endless variations on patches too.

I believe it was something this guy started and in the end did not catch on in terms of a business product. Don't know why but it should have though. He is giving it away now which is very nice of him.

http://plex.hermannseib.com/

Plex was first released by Steinberg years ago. Here's an old review:

http://www.soundonsound.c...cles/steinbergplex.asp

Being a Steinberg plug-in, it was typically short-lived, but Palm re-released it on his own a few years ago.

His last post on Facebook's page for Plex is dated November 2012, so I'm not sure if he has abandoned it or not.



Too bad for me it's Windows only (though Logic's own Structure is a more than decent alternative).

That Plex looks pretty cool - I'll have to check that one out.
Thanks for the link!

I feel I must add - for anyone who may be a bit less educated about those Korg synths (like yours truly), Poly Six isn't just a stripped down version of Mono/Poly...

Which is what I sort of expected when I bought Mono/Poly, but after tweaking it for a bit trying to match a file that had been recorded w/ the Poly Six, though I could get in the ballpark, downloading the demo of Poly Six and giving it a shot I was settled in a matter of minutes. 

They are different beasts. And now I need that one too. :s

Is buying the Korg Microkeys 61 controller the better deal to get the Legacy collection ? 

The controller cost 179/= (if I read correctly, included the Legacy collection, including other software as well)
http://shop.korgusa.com/p/microkey61

But the software collection alone is 199.99 
http://www.korguser.net/shop/software/

If you need a new controller or one that has more than 49 keys - and you do not or have not purchased any of the Korg legacy plugins then yes buying the Microkeys61 is the best deal around.

I have been using the M1 and Wavestation since the old dongle days and I have upgraded them every time and upgrade was available. Unfortunately there are no stand alone versions in the 64 bit Win upgrade. I hope they come out with a stand alone patch soon.

I just upgraded from M1 LE to the entire Legacy collection and just used M1 and Wavestation today in stand alone mode. Actually, by default, the install placed the icons for the all the modules on my desktop.

When you first open them you need to set the preferences to see your sound card and midi inputs and then your good to go.

Kind regards,
Rick 

Rain


I feel I must add - for anyone who may be a bit less educated about those Korg synths (like yours truly), Poly Six isn't just a stripped down version of Mono/Poly...

Which is what I sort of expected when I bought Mono/Poly, but after tweaking it for a bit trying to match a file that had been recorded w/ the Poly Six, though I could get in the ballpark, downloading the demo of Poly Six and giving it a shot I was settled in a matter of minutes. 

They are different beasts. And now I need that one too. :s

I use to own the hardware version way back in the early 1980's and love it. That is why I mentioned it (in your other thread).  Also owned the MI, so IMO the PolySix, M1 and Wavstation are the three I would love to get. 

The Poly 6 has good solid filters, it's very fat and grunty when you need it, can stack up to 16 voices along with detune and spread.  No joking, this baby will cut through a dense mix of thumping bass and chainsawing lead guitars. I know because I have used the PolySix 'LIVE' many times in exactly that situation. 

NOTE I posted several links to SOS because the info on their site is much more informative and such compared to Korg's site.  If anyone wants to learn more?... then do yourselves a favour and check out those links. 

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rtucker55


I just upgraded from M1 LE to the entire Legacy collection and just used M1 and Wavestation today in stand alone mode. Actually, by default, the install placed the icons for the all the modules on my desktop.

When you first open them you need to set the preferences to see your sound card and midi inputs and then your good to go.

Kind regards,
Rick 

Thanx Rick for the heads up. I just thought it was a VSTi upgrade only.
 
Interesting that the install program did not install the stand alone programs or icons. I tried a reinstall and it let me repair the installation and then both the M1 and Wavestation icons appeared on my desktop.
 
Everything is fine now.
 
Thanks again.
　

Hi MarioD,

Great to hear that you have it sorted! Enjoy!!!

Kind regards,
Rick

SongCraft

Rain


I feel I must add - for anyone who may be a bit less educated about those Korg synths (like yours truly), Poly Six isn't just a stripped down version of Mono/Poly...

Which is what I sort of expected when I bought Mono/Poly, but after tweaking it for a bit trying to match a file that had been recorded w/ the Poly Six, though I could get in the ballpark, downloading the demo of Poly Six and giving it a shot I was settled in a matter of minutes. 

They are different beasts. And now I need that one too. :s

I use to own the hardware version way back in the early 1980's and love it. That is why I mentioned it (in your other thread).  Also owned the MI, so IMO the PolySix, M1 and Wavstation are the three I would love to get. 

The Poly 6 has good solid filters, it's very fat and grunty when you need it, can stack up to 16 voices along with detune and spread.  No joking, this baby will cut through a dense mix of thumping bass and chainsawing lead guitars. I know because I have used the PolySix 'LIVE' many times in exactly that situation. 

NOTE I posted several links to SOS because the info on their site is much more informative and such compared to Korg's site.  If anyone wants to learn more?... then do yourselves a favour and check out those links. 

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Man, it looks like they're reeling me in. I thought I only needed the Mono/Poly, then found myself drooling over and buying the Wavestation. Last night, the Polysix came to the rescue for that track I was working on.


I was pretty sure I'd have no need for M-1, but I had installed the demo nonetheless. I shouldn't have played w/ that one... :s Goes on the wishlist.


What sucks is that at this point, I'll have to buy them all individually, as there is no upgrade option.


What sucks even more is that I may even buy that 61 keys controller after we're moved, meaning that, were I patient enough, I could have got all that stuff for free. :s


Oh well, time to sell some stuff on KVR I guess...

Rain

Man, it looks like they're reeling me in. I thought I only needed the Mono/Poly, then found myself drooling over and buying the Wavestation. Last night, the Polysix came to the rescue for that track I was working on.


I was pretty sure I'd have no need for M-1, but I had installed the demo nonetheless. I shouldn't have played w/ that one... :s Goes on the wishlist.


What sucks is that at this point, I'll have to buy them all individually, as there is no upgrade option.


What sucks even more is that I may even buy that 61 keys controller after we're moved, meaning that, were I patient enough, I could have got all that stuff for free. :s


Oh well, time to sell some stuff on KVR I guess...

It's tough, I only found out today that if you buy the Korg MicroKeys61 get the 'entire' Legacy Collection FREE and more all for just $179 (USD.) This is an awesome deal. 

I would get this for my niece (5 years old this year) already loves playing piano and shooting videos, has her own iPad too and is quite good at it all for her age.  Yeah I have a talented musical family, all my nephews play instruments, their fathers are in a rock band, my father inlaw plays bass, my wife, mother inlaw and Grandma plays piano. 

The Snag For Me:
My studio is kinda sorta tight on space because I've recently added a video/photography section and packed my keyboard stand away (due to limited space.) My main keyboard sits on my desk (DAW.)  

But that Microkeys61 looks pretty good, is 'ultra compact' and thereby ideal for my setup, but I don't have room for two keyboards. Sure I could move the 2nd keyboard + stand whenever I need to use the room for video/photography, but as it is already I have to move a freaking sofa, desk chair and a side table whenever I need to use the room for shooting videos and stills. It's crazy, but I need the space (16x12.ft room) the GreenScreen area itself takes up 9,ft wide x 7.ft Floor. 

I primarily want the PolySix, M1 and WS, and if it means losing out on that awesome deal (MicroKeys61 + entire Legacy Collection +) then oh well.

But I am now considering the MicroKeys61 for my niece this year (August her birthday, or December 25th)! Ha' maybe she will let me borrow it but I doubt it.... she has a Barbie doll collection and still to this day won't let Ken (Barbie doll) drive the Barbie car LOL she is the leader and men better watch out!! Love my niece, she is so cute 

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If you are in Europe Thomann had Microkeys61 for 166 Euros. In the UK DV247 has it for 139 pounds. In addition to the Legacy collection
Thomann also mentions Lounge Lizard Session and EZ Drummer lite are bundle, there is no mention of that in DV247's ad.

Its a good deal, BUT do not forget is not a full sized board. Its the Legacy collection that makes the deal.
 

I thought I'd let you know how I got on. I ended up treating myself to it for my birthday (having a lot of c*** going on in life currently.. so thought , sod it)

dv247 I ordered.. had a quick look elsewhere.. they had none in stock + were not the cheapest. so cancelled and hopefully I'll have the thing here by friday. Not saying where yet, but £15 cheaper.. 

it's a pity as my local DV shop wouldn't price match like the old days.. I much prefer giving the shop the business rather than their website.. but coz their sales folk have got their quota for march no doubt, they couldn't care (most schools etc.. will use up their budgets just before april to justify keeping em next year)

For those interested in the Microkeys61, be aware that there is no sustain pedal input.

Dammit!

I was deliberately staying out of this thread knowing that I would probably be tempted to purchase even more soft synths.

I was right... I've just bought the bundle...

Hope you'll enjoy it.

I try to dedicate the budget to hardware and room treatment these days, but I've just sold my copy of Studio One, and that extra money can certainly be used to buy the rest of the Legacy collection... 

M1, Polysix and MS-20, here I come... :)

Hi Rain. I have had a real M1 for quite a while and I do like the sound of it for sure. The keyboard feels nice on an M1, I use it as one of my main controllers

The plugin gets you all the RAM cards which is excellent. The thing to realise that a lot of that late 80's and 90's M1 sound is due to the amounts of chorus and reverb they programmed a lot onto the presets and I don't doubt they will all sound the same in the plug in version. I find by taking the chorus off and altering the wet/dry balance of the reverb and tighten up the room that machine can sound completely different. Especially when you add modern external effects to it as well. It is a wonderful workstation work horse and can do amazing amounts of good. It is well equipped with great bread and butter sounds. Not so cosmic as the Wavestation.

Make sure you check out those free Wavestation patches too. Many of those are very good and well worth the effort in downloading and auditioning them. 

http://www.korgforums.com/support/wavestation/fr_ultimate_ws.zip 
 
If you like Wavestation you will love Plex as well and it is free. 

http://plex.hermannseib.com/ 

Thanks Jeff. I've just downloaded them and I'll definitely check them out asap.