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Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
The Sonar "Cambridge" update introduced what I thought was a fairly significant problem with the "new" Control Bar, and I must admit I expected some sort of a Quick repair to this issue.
As we all know, the Control Bar no longer retains the positioning of the different modules, and every time you restart Sonar, the Control Bar reverts to a default module positioning, not at all like n previous Sonar versions, where it would remember your custom positioning. I find this very disruptive to my workflow every time I start Sonar, and have been anticipating a fix for this, which hasn't come as of yet.
Wasn't there some advantage to the new membership model that was going to improve the timely repair of issues such as this ?
It's April, and as far as I've seen, there's only been 1 quick fix, as I recall.
Call me impatient, but is this issue really that hard to fix, since it's a feature that has only recently been added to Sonar ?
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/09 00:11:57
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There is also the file paths issue.
I would prefer cakewalk not respond to this and get it out as soon as they can.
I don't hold up much hope for a hotfix now as it may be only another 2 weeks to the next major release where the fix will probably be in. It would have been a lot better if we had seen it a lot earlier but we are where we are. Easter and the Z3TA+2 bug may have slowed things.
Btw Without source code in front of you nobody can tell how hard it is to fix.
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/09 01:22:00
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It's true, I don't know spit about programming, and how hard this would be to fix, but if I downgrade back to the "Braintree" release, there are some new Prochannel plugs that I have used in "Cambridge" projects that probably would not work in "Braintree" release . . . for sure in the future I may be wary of upgrading right away until such buginess has been repaired.
post edited by noynekker - 2015/04/09 01:29:09
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/09 01:52:37
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If there is a release every month, it's rather good I think.
Not a bad list of fixes in Cambridge.
It might be a bigger thing with each release than we realize.
I would prefer every two weeks too, but might be difficult, don't know.
More than anything, how CWBRN's are treated is the big deal for me - things reported and confirmed years ago that are still there.
Was it a single CWBRN in fix list in Cambridge - among 50 fixes?
So collection on reports, sorting them to possible similar categories and on todo-list - that is the major issue. How many new users should experience a particular problem, spend hours narrowing down, trying to find workarounds, are needed before top of todo list?
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/09 02:18:25
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I believe it's all confirmed, from the many forum posts, that everyone who upgraded to Cambridge experienced this Control Bar issue, and Cakewalk have confirmed they are aware of it, and looking into it . . . great, but it still currently has a great degree of suckage when you use this feature daily, and it lets you down.
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/09 02:29:19
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Ben Staton (Cakewalk) was saying in a post that they were aware and would have a fix asap. I'm guessing that it is probably more expedient to do all the months fixes in one go.
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/09 04:07:32
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It's one reason why I'm not personally a fan of upgrades that come so often. While it's true that there are more fixes than new bugs every time (and kudos for that), sometimes a new bug can be more show disruptive than finally getting a fix for that bug that you had already found a work-around for.
I would definitely not like to upgrade every two weeks.
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/09 04:31:27
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Sanderxpander
It's one reason why I'm not personally a fan of upgrades that come so often. While it's true that there are more fixes than new bugs every time (and kudos for that), sometimes a new bug can be more show disruptive than finally getting a fix for that bug that you had already found a work-around for.
I would definitely not like to upgrade every two weeks.
That's why the clever people (I'm not one yet) should wait 2 to 4 weeks before installing.
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/09 09:40:37
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Ben Staton (Cakewalk) was saying in a post that they were aware and would have a fix asap. I'm guessing that it is probably more expedient to do all the months fixes in one go.
If Ben said they would have a fix ASAP, you can bet money it will be in the next update. And on the subject of fixes - it seems there's an undocumented fix. It used to be that if you docked an FX Chain, the preset label would be outside the chain and to the right. It no longer seems to do this and the preset label is placed properly. Can anyone confirm?
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/09 12:18:38
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Doktor Avalanche
Sanderxpander
It's one reason why I'm not personally a fan of upgrades that come so often. While it's true that there are more fixes than new bugs every time (and kudos for that), sometimes a new bug can be more show disruptive than finally getting a fix for that bug that you had already found a work-around for.
I would definitely not like to upgrade every two weeks.
That's why the clever people (I'm not one yet) should wait 2 to 4 weeks before installing.
while that's generally true, does it really work with the new monthly rollouts? 4 weeks and the next version's there, so for example, is it possible to install braintree rather than cambridge? personally i'd expect to see some of the monthly updates to be stability-only, and not introduce new features each drop... though i understand this may be harder for marketing, who are "new feature oriented" /fwiw
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/09 15:36:56
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Doktor Avalanche
personally i'd expect to see some of the monthly updates to be stability-only,
I was hoping the emergency fixes would do that, that is fix all the regression bugs... Maybe they won't.
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/09 17:10:57
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☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2015/04/10 03:09:15
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while that's generally true, does it really work with the new monthly rollouts? 4 weeks and the next version's there, so for example, is it possible to install braintree rather than cambridge? If you haven't installed Braintree, you can install Braintree. If you've installed Cambridge, you can roll back to Braintree. I think the whole point of the rollback is so you can download the update and go back if you have problems. personally i'd expect to see some of the monthly updates to be stability-only, and not introduce new features each drop... though i understand this may be harder for marketing, who are "new feature oriented"
From what I understand, there are people at Cakewalk who work primarily on fixes, and some who work primarily on features, so although there is some overlap it's not always one at the expense of the other. I do know that stability fixes are a priority so you can keep expecting those. And of course, the content is independent of both so that will happen regardless.
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/09 21:14:29
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FWIW I think the model would work best if stability/regression and feature updates were kept separate as much as possible. That would require two updates a month though...
In "ideal land" for me... On the big day you could release two builds of Sonar...
(Build 1) With regression issues fixed from last months build.
(Build 2) Same as build 1 plus all the new fixes, enhancements and features.
User can choose between either...
With (Build 1) whilst it's a month older it will at least clear the annoying regression issues (new bugs).
With (Build 2) it's more whizz bang and up to date complete with new regression issues and bugs (but also more legacy bugs being fixed).
(Build 1) In fact could be released any time between releases.
It will be a toss up for the user to decide which build to take. Generally Build 1 would be more stable as regression bugs are fixed, however there would be occasions that Build 2 could be better as the legacy issues squashed could end up being more important.
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/09 22:18:27
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Doktor Avalanche
FWIW I think the model would work best if stability/regression and feature updates were kept separate as much as possible. That would require two updates a month though...
I doubt Cakewalk would be interested in producing two versions. It looks to me like bug fixing and adding new features are all part of a single process, probably due to their limited manpower. Everyone throws their part into the pot and they all hope for the best once it goes out.
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/09 22:41:00
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It's not two versions. The code does not have to be forked. The second build would be using the first build as a code base. At it's most simplistic it's effectively a two releases a month strategy (sequential just like the updates we are getting).. call it a scheduled mid term "emergency release" if you will. I would call it a stability release.
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/10 00:13:17
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Doktor Avalanche
...call it a scheduled mid term "emergency release" if you will.
Or call it a marketing department's dream: "New SONAR updates... now every two weeks, not just once a month!" 
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/10 00:20:09
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Well I would think it would be better to release them on the same day in order to avoid the 'too many releases to handle' complaints. In theory the stability update could be anytime between releases though, but releasing them on the same day appeals to two different profiles of people who will only install one of the updates. That is the 'feature greedy just give me the toys' profile or the 'keep it steady and reliable at all times' profile. Makes sense no?
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/04/10 00:27:03
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/10 00:43:33
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An even better situation would be if the the regression fixes were every two months and the enhancements releases were every two months alternating inbetween (once a month release). The cautious would upgrade every two months and the serial updaters every month. Similar to what pwalpwal is suggesting. Of course that will never happen now as the commitments have already been made, leaving my previous post to be the only realistic option.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/04/10 00:52:43
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/10 01:44:27
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I would go nuts with core studio software updating every two weeks.
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/10 01:48:55
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/10 04:18:01
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As it is now thanks. Can't lock Cakewlak into how monthly releases go. The next feature may depend on certain bug fixes etc. too many variables. Leave it alone and let Cakewalk do their thing as it needs. Maybe one month we won't even get a release because there just hasn't been enough time. Maybe only some content that month.
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/10 05:25:06
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Cakewalk have already stated the current method will get out regression fixes quickly. If they don't get out a release in a month that would screw with their monthly subscription plan. The big question is delivery.
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/10 22:04:47
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I'm good with the monthly release schedule too, as it is. I wouldn't want to update more often than that, but I also like that new toys are introduced monthly. I like the balance between the two. My hope that that as the process continues and development (and testing) adjusts, more obvious bugs like this Control Bar issue become rare occurrences at best. And that subsequently, discussions like this would just never need to happen in the first place. Well, that's my ideal SPlatWorld.
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/10 23:15:24
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In my "Splatworld" (copyright stevec), if they break it, they should fix it.
There should be a quick fix for major issues such as this.
It's a newish feature that's been added, and we shouldn't have to wait a month for a fix.
I know it will be addressed in time, I've grown to have confidence in the baker people, but the Control Bar is central to the workflow of everything . . . and having to modify it every time I start up Sonar is most annoying, time wasted.
Hopefully, they'll come up with something marvelous, next upgrade, such as a way to save your Control Bar preferences, when it does get fixed.
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/11 09:14:04
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The majority of the early reporters on this particular problem, myself included, graded this problem as an 'annoyance', but not a big deal. I'm not saying it isn't a major problem for you, but for most it wasn't presented as major. This *might* have something to with a fix for it coming more slowly than a quick turn-around hot fix.
Overall my assessment is that these guys have their hands fuller than they have ever been, and they have more pressure than they have ever had before to make things right. Now we have to wait and see how they handle it.
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/11 09:57:21
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In my "Splatworld" (copyright stevec), if they break it, they should fix it.
There should be a quick fix for major issues such as this.
It's a newish feature that's been added, and we shouldn't have to wait a month for a fix.
Actually you're not waiting a month for a fix, you're waiting a month for the fix and the testing to make sure there isn't some other issue in there that's going to cause another problem. In a case like this where there's a bug caused by fixing a different issue, I think it's very important that Cakewalk do thorough testing before doing another release. If I was Cakewalk, once I released this control bar fix I wouldn't want to have to do another control bar fix somewhere down the road because it wasn't tested adequately. That said, if Ben said they were working on a fix ASAP, I would take that to mean in the next release.
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/11 10:02:20
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The next feature may depend on certain bug fixes etc. too many variables. Leave it alone and let Cakewalk do their thing as it needs. Maybe one month we won't even get a release because there just hasn't been enough time. Maybe only some content that month.
There will definitely be different mixes of features and content with each release. One of the benefits of making content a significant part of the membership program, aside from most people digging it, is that it's independent of the program itself. So if the Bakers are working on some big feature that monopolizes their time, we can include more content. OTOH when there are a lot of features, that gives the slack to create more complex content. I assume having fixes will be a consistent feature of each release, but the number will vary.
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/11 13:18:46
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...that gives the slack to create more complex content.
Hmmm... anything particular in mind? 
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/11 19:58:42
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Actually you're not waiting a month for a fix, you're waiting a month for the fix and the testing to make sure there isn't some other issue in there that's going to cause another problem. In a case like this where there's a bug caused by fixing a different issue, I think it's very important that Cakewalk do thorough testing before doing another release. If I was Cakewalk, once I released this control bar fix I wouldn't want to have to do another control bar fix somewhere down the road because it wasn't tested adequately.
Another reason for #13/#15/#17. A whole month for testing regression bugs.
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Re: Where is the Quickfix for the Control Bar issue ?
2015/04/12 23:17:57
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Doktor Avalanche
Another reason for #13/#15/#17. A whole month for testing regression bugs.
If Cakewalk had the manpower to do that, they wouldn't rely on us.
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