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2005/01/05 13:14:18 (permalink)

p5 v2 should have...

i used to have master tracks pro, and they had an option within the piano roll editor window that let you switch between the draw tool and a pointer by holding down the "Alt key". the pointer would let you hit the mouse button, but not draw a note, so that you could hear the note that you were on before you put a midi note down. and when you let go of the "Alt" key, it would go back to the draw tool.(hope this makes sence)

i miss this option. i think p5 v2 should have this simple little tool.

  
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    wrench45us
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/05 13:21:34 (permalink)
    wow
    that would be nice

    what i usually do is place a note as best i can
    mouse back over to the keyboard area, press the key i wanted and see if the placed note gets highlighted

    might be best if with the Alt key down the note not only sounded but the piano key activated as well
    to let us people who can't trust our ears what note was placed


     


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    blipp
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/05 14:02:26 (permalink)
    i used to have master tracks pro,


    I used to use that years ago with an Atari STFM. I loved it.
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    b rock
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/05 17:07:19 (permalink)
    p5 v2 should have...
    ...been here by now. Back on topic:

    I like your Alt idea, but here's what I do instead. Left-click and hold on a location with the Draw Notes tool; don't release it. It'll sound the note where you're at. If you don't like the placement, you can continue to drag it in a vertical direction until it sounds right, or immediately right-click (while still holding the left button down) to activate the Erase tool.

    Two quick left-clicks on the note place it, sound the note, and select it, allowing you to drag it both vertically and forward/backward in the timeline. It's a little longer of a maneuver than a double-click; more like the duration of a triple-click. You'll save some time if you hold down on the second left-click. Once it's selected, jump to the qwerty arrow keys for some rapid deployment. You can scrub the slate clean with a vigorous up-and-down motion of a held right-click [Erase Tool].

    Keep your left-hand 'trigger finger' close to the "T" key on the qwerty, so that you can easily shortcut your way through P-Seq's tool selection. And keep your pinky close to the Shift key, for drawing those straight line envelope curves.

    I'm starting to get comfortable with the Step Size shortcuts, whose logic threw me at first, and the "N" Snap toggle in P-Seq. But first make sure that the focus is on P-Seq by Ctrl-Tabbing through the windows.

    I'd like to see combinations of the Shift, Ctrl, and Alt keys used for such things as selecting the mode for dragging the start and end times of a note, changing velocity, and overriding a tool with the Select tool, as the present method of "sonar-locating the sweet spot" is just too inconsistent. And what about utilizing the middle-click and wheel, either for moving a selected note, or preferably, zooming in & out?
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    three_eyed_otter
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/05 18:39:44 (permalink)
    p5 v2 should have...
    T-SHIRTS!

    a system for seeing velocity in a numeric value.

    if it does let me know. please.

    have a good one
    3Eo
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    b rock
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/05 18:54:34 (permalink)
    a system for seeing velocity in a numeric value.
    If you're using the Draw Automation tool in P-Seq, and velocity selected under MIDI in the Automation Edit Menus, the velocity value is displayed numerically in the readout under the Tool selections. It's tiny (and in the wrong place for my money), but it does update in real-time.

    As for the t-shirts, the only guy that I've ever seen wearing one is evidently the secret love child of the Riddler and the Invisible Man. He's obviously as confused as we are on how he got into that t-shirt.

    Here's a rare photograph.
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    three_eyed_otter
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/05 19:06:51 (permalink)
    thanks b rock,

    gave it a look and all is well and much appreciated.

    have a good one
    3Eo
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    Digital Aura
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/05 19:12:13 (permalink)
    Personally, I'll wait for the P6 shirts to come out...
    The current flavour of "baby blue" on white is a little to "femme" for me.
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/05 21:22:14 (permalink)
    Isn't P6 the software that comes with the SP-606? In that case, P5 v2 might actually be P7.

    I'd settle for a P7 T-Shirt. In fact, I hope the box to P5 v2 is not a box at all. Rather, I hope the software comes wrapped (tightly) in a P7 T-Shirt.
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    b rock
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/05 22:48:10 (permalink)
    I have a confession to make: I've been holding out on you guys. I fear that by me violating my NDA with Cakewalk in this post, that I might open myself up to legal repercussions. I don't care. I can't take the pain of holding something back from all of you any longer.

    The truth is: I have some inside information, from a highly knowledgeable source (don't ask!), that the long development cycle with Project5 has blossomed into a completely new concept of tools for music-making; so revolutionary that Cakewalk has actually decided to jump quite a few version numbers. That's unprecedented.

    I know that this little side-thread started in jest, but this is serious stuff. The new interface is sharp, sleek, easily portable, yet very simple to use. And it's so useful that you won't know how you ever did anything before without it. Now this is the part that going to get me kicked off this forum: I'm compelled to share this link that I've uncovered, through somewhat shady means. If you don't want to spoil the surprise, don't click here!

    Of course, there's still no t-shirts. The story goes that the first large order of baby-blue on white shirts had to be recalled because of a defect that turned them a bright fuschia in the the first wash cycle. P5 Pink? You have to be p-r-e-t-t-y secure in your EQ-linity to pull off a P5 Pink t-shirt in public. Hmmm ... it is the "new red" for this spring's collection. It is kind of" playful". Well ... OK ... Yeah, I still want one ...
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    PaintedBlue
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/05 23:02:41 (permalink)
    P38? Holy cannoli, I think b rock might be from The Future!
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    three_eyed_otter
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/05 23:06:47 (permalink)
    hey,

    i have a P-38 ripoff manufactured in China and it cost 5 pennies to the 3rd.

    works well too and the silver finish compliments fuscia.

    have a good one
    3Eo
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    harmony gardens
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/10 07:05:27 (permalink)
    I think they should make a Project 5 Digital Audio Edition, that would allow digital audio recording, along with the GREAT softsynth features, and other goodies, without having to rewire. Or,,,, some way to link the record function, to allow simultainious recording of midi into project 5 and digital audio on the rewire host. Definately needs a Freeze Synth funtion, too!
    < Message edited by harmony gardens -- 1/10/2005 6:13:40 AM >
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/10 07:25:43 (permalink)
    *sigh*

    ... P5 t-shirts.

    At this point, I'd pay as much as $20 US for a Project 5 tshirt.

    Hey, by the way, anyone besides me notice that Project5.com hasn't been updated since August of last year? Not to beat what is so obviously a dead horse (the site, not the software).


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    agincourtdb
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/10 07:28:58 (permalink)
    I want a couple interesting new softsynths. I want Velocity 2 with twice as many cells and some useable multi-velocity kits. I want folder tracks for multi-output synths. I want user-configureable bussing like in Sonar. I want a stable groove player.

    I WANT A TSHIRT! hehe


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    blipp
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/10 07:31:19 (permalink)
    want a couple interesting new softsynths. I want Velocity 2 with twice as many cells and some useable multi-velocity kits. I want folder tracks for multi-output synths. I want user-configureable bussing like in Sonar. I want a stable groove player.


    Yeh, but most of all, i want it to be free to existing users. What chance that?
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/10 07:35:06 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: blipp

    Yeh, but most of all, i want it to be free to existing users. What chance that?


    Slim to none, and Slim just left town ;-)

    Personally, if it's a good update, I'd shell out as much as <connection interrupted....data lost....reconnecting...> verson 2 of P5.


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    whitefalcon
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/10 14:23:55 (permalink)
    Here is something mysterious...
    Duruing Christmas I posted a post in fun that said jokingly that the previous version of Project 5 was Project 4. Project 4 is also known as the Philadelphia experiment... It was in Jest but it was also canned... Hmmm Maybe this will be canned to.
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    woodamand
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/10 14:59:02 (permalink)
    I'd only want:
    complete remake of velocity; adjustable track heights; freeze of course; custom colors for clips; make everything that has a rotary knob have the option of a slider instead, since I hate mousing rotary pots; option to ditch the 3-d look of any synth to reduce CPU load; and a geneal change of the look of the synths to something less uh, I dont know, dorky I guess - especially I don't like the waveform buttons, picky, picky, picky
    And of course, I want the upgrade to be free and include the T-shirt.

    check out the new Brain Transfer Project CD
    http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/braintransfer
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    whitefalcon
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/10 16:30:05 (permalink)
    And of course, I want the upgrade to be free and include the T-shirt.

    The upgrad if you go from past experience would be $120 for the regular P5 v2 version. For the P5 v2 Pro version $180 but that would include surround sound

    P5 Regular v2 P5 Pro Vs v2
    Velocity 2 upgrade
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    whitefalcon
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/10 16:31:05 (permalink)
    sorry got away I was going to have a table of features I thought the two versions would share and some not share.
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/10 17:51:27 (permalink)
    Well, as long as we're writing up wish lists....

    I'm with agincourtdb on "I want folder tracks for multi-output synths" That would be a welcomed feature!

    Please keep the step sequencer!!!

    And with woodamand on ditching the 3D look....anything to save on CPU cycles. :)

    The option to "zoom" in on a DXi would be nice, especially on the DS864. While they're at it, how about an external editor for it?

    I don't care about surround sound mixing. Recording audio in would be nice, but not necessary.
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/10 18:03:42 (permalink)
    Are you sure that V2 comes? P5seems a little bit neglected from Cakewalk...
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/10 18:32:11 (permalink)
    Are you sure that V2 comes?
    Absolutely sure. It's a matter of "when", not "if".
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/10 18:33:22 (permalink)
    Are you sure that V2 comes? P5seems a little bit neglected from Cakewalk...

    I think it will based on the current install base of P5. They know that most of us will upgrade to the new version so thats pretty much guaranteed money...
    Plus if they dont they are abandoning us. We bought the first version so hope they support us...
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    whitefalcon
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/10 18:42:21 (permalink)
    Way back in the times of Cakewalk Metro, Metro had a really cool drum tool with it. You could spray on notes. Thats right there was a spray can tool and you could even define patterns for the spray can so your notes would be random yet have a kind of familiarity.
    There was also a random alternate drum tool. Simple you put the drum pattern in the middle that was the base pattern. Around that pattern was different colors of the same pattern. You could audition them by clicking on each one and hear if you liked the sounds or not. If not you clicked on the next one. I think there were 6 alternatives around the base sample that was in the center.
    Cakewalk did not develop metro, they purchased the Mac company and offered it as a product line. The bad part of this is that all the technology was lost on how to do this random drum pattern tool. The closest I have seen in recent days is the ERA tool. This can do something very similar but its not as easy to use.
    I hope the new version of P5 has this in it
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/10 20:01:19 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: whitefalcon

    Are you sure that V2 comes? P5seems a little bit neglected from Cakewalk...

    I think it will based on the current install base of P5. They know that most of us will upgrade to the new version so thats pretty much guaranteed money...
    Plus if they dont they are abandoning us. We bought the first version so hope they support us...

    I asked about this right as I was purchasing 1.5, and my understanding was that there was a pretty good user base - not as much as Sonar of course, but I was told "thousands". Sounds good anyway............

    check out the new Brain Transfer Project CD
    http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/braintransfer
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    RE: p5 v2 should have... 2005/01/10 20:18:50 (permalink)
    You could spray on notes. Thats right there was a spray can tool and you could even define patterns for the spray can so your notes would be random yet have a kind of familiarity.


    these were the ghetto days of spray painting grafitti art. once the cakewalk programmers introduced sonar and the sonar forum users starting complaining that sonar wasn't a professional software package because it didn't have a more versatile metronome things came unglued. any underground pioneering "ghetto" ideas that didn't exist in pro-tools were abandoned in order to facelift the image. to make a long story short cakewalk abandoned the spray can and traded it in for paint tool. and that my friends is the story of the big fat colored shoe laces.

    have a good one
    3Eo
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