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SOLVED - upsampling prochannel - easy way
I know this is an oldie, couldn't find any answers in the search. I would like to know if there is a way (these days) to upsample the prochannel modules without "hacking" the registry. P.S. wouldn't dynamic processors benefit from upsampleing?
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/06 12:26:01
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Click the 2x button on the control bar.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/06 12:28:31
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using the 2x button in the control bar is upsampling fx and processors.
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/06 12:44:14
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So for VST's you need to turn on upsampling for render or playback, but for the prochannel it will automatically upsample if the 2x button is checked? In playback mode and render?
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/06 12:57:04
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/06 13:25:43
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/06 14:18:44
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☄ Helpfulby rezab 2016/12/07 09:04:34
rezab Is there an on or off button for the prochannel to upsample?
No rezab I would like to know if there is a way (these days) to upsample the prochannel modules without "hacking" the registry.
Not registry hack but an Aud.ini hack as that is the file containing the upsample settings. It is necessary to look up the CLSID for the PC Modules in the registry but no changes to registry are required. I wrote a utility to maintain upsample entries but it does not have a way to add them at this time.
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/06 15:11:42
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Thanks Scooc,
you answered my question so I will change the post to solved.
there is no simple way to enable upsampling of the prochannel modules... bummer.
could you explain what I need to do to enable them?
do you expierence better results with the PC modules with upsampling enabled ?
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/06 15:45:26
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☄ Helpfulby rezab 2016/12/07 09:05:07
I have no experience upsampling PC modules. FWIW, when you are provided a nonworking link like http://forum.cakewalk.com...e-so-far-m3386790.aspxtake the number at the end of the link and create a new link like this http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3386790 So here is a worked example adding the 64bit PC76 U-Type Compressor upsampling the plug-in for both render and playback at double the project sample rate. 1) Using regedit, find the clsidPlug value for the dll in the VST Inventory in the registry. The default VST Inventory registry entry for this plug-in is: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR\Cakewalk VST X64\Inventory\c:/program files/cakewalk/shared utilities/internal/PCS-NukeCM.dllThe clsidPlug value is {141AC902-4368-6143-5043-532D4E557E31} 2) Edit %appdata%\Cakewalk\SONAR Platinum\AUD.INI with a text editor. At or near the bottom of this file is a section [PluginUpsampler]. Information about this section is found in http://www.cakewalk.com/D...mp;help=Mixing.26.html. In this case the entry would be {141AC902-4368-6143-5043-532D4E557E31}.EnableFlags=3
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/06 16:04:33
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Your help is very appreciated. Thanks a bunch  . best regards, Reza
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/06 16:36:56
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☄ Helpfulby rezab 2016/12/07 09:04:50
To answer the remaining unanswered question, yes, oversampling can help with some dynamics processing.
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/06 19:45:01
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So the 2x doesn't work on the PC items? Unless they are in an FX chain?
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/06 20:33:05
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☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2016/12/06 20:46:48
The 2x button toggles oversampling for the plug-ins setup in Aud.ini. It has nothing to do with FX Chains.
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/07 09:06:09
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Is this a candidate for a feature request? To simply toggle 2x for PC?
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/07 09:22:26
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I don't think so. The purpose of the 2x button is to affect those plug-ins already configured for oversampling not to setup plug-ins for oversampling. Cakewalk does need to create a tool for managing the settings though. That tool could have a way to create oversampling entries for plug-ins including PC modules. That or at least add something to the PC header to create the oversampling entry. I could add a feature to the tool I wrote to add PC modules but I doubt there is much demand for the original tool. The registry lookup is not that difficult and it is a one-time thing. From there all the action is in Aud.ini and it is not that difficult to maintain.
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/09 10:28:21
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Excuse me, my bad. I meant a function to toggle upsampling on or off per pc module like the regular vst's.
If it is not to much work I would appreciate that tool a lot.
Manually editing that aud.ini file would mean I would forget and maybe down the road I would like to turn some off again and not realising what I did.
I really want this function. And to be honest all that manually editing is a issue for me. (maybe just mental) but as a non programmer type a guy I am over whelmed by scripts and stuff.
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/09 12:00:22
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I don't think this is the kind of feature one would constantly tinker with but I could be wrong. Accessing the feature could use some improvement. I have written a tool to make updating individual entries easier. The SONAR Plug-in Upsample Editor is available on the SONAR Resources and Utilities page
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/09 12:11:08
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I thought that all plugins could be upsampled so prochannel plugins are not being upsampled with 2x
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/09 12:26:58
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The 2x toggle only affects plug-ins setup in Aud.ini for upsampling. It has no affect on any plug-in, PC or otherwise if they lack an entry in the [PluginUpsampler] section in Aud.ini. By default no plug-in is setup for upsampling. For all but the PC modules, the basic upsample setting may be created by using the Windows menu in the upper-left of the plug-ins UI. Refer to http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR&language=3&help=Mixing.26.html for more information.
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/09 13:15:38
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FWIW the Concrete Limiter is already oversampled internally, so I don't think upsampling for that module would make a significant difference.
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/20 18:04:51
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Im not certain if this is still active, if so can anyone confirm, while Im uncertain in my understanding up-sampling, I had read somewhere, and/or assumed, recording at 96 kHz, or more would resolve any issues or need for up-sampling?
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/20 23:13:45
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JohnEgan Im not certain if this is still active, if so can anyone confirm, while Im uncertain in my understanding up-sampling, I had read somewhere, and/or assumed, recording at 96 kHz, or more would resolve any issues or need for up-sampling?
As with so many aspects of pro audio, the final, definitive, 100% correct answer is... it depends. Check out the linked video.
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/20 23:32:35
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Anderton As with so many aspects of pro audio, the final, definitive, 100% correct answer is...it depends. Check out the linked video.
Maybe I should have asked, I record at 96k, is there a still a need for up-sampling? (Sorry Im not sure which video was intended to watch?)
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/20 23:40:37
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Ok sorry I see video, a lot math going on there, LOL, so not as simple an answer as "yes" just record at 96k
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/21 00:35:18
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Recording at 96 kHz will solve most issues that upsampling is intended to solve. However as the video shows, there's a significant audible difference between recording at 88.1 kHz and 176.2 kHz with a very specific type of waveform that's generated in the box. Then again, how often will you use a sound source that is affected in this way (answer: not often!), and how many people would even know that it was supposed to sound different (I doubt any). Just to bring things back on course, all that matters is the emotional impact of the music on the listener. A great song is a great song at 44.1 or 96 or 384 kHz, and while a particular virtual synth might sound slightly different at these different sample rates, I don't think it would interfere with anyone's listening pleasure. That said, though...you pretty much can't go wrong with higher sample rates, if your system is up to the task. If not, well, there's always upsampling.
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/21 07:25:13
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Anderton That said, though...you pretty much can't go wrong with higher sample rates, if your system is up to the task. If not, well, there's always upsampling.
Great thanks, I appreciate having one less thing to wonder about, I guess that would resolve those worries for the OP also assuming their computer system is somewhat current. Would it be correct to assume at 96k, it would be of no real benefit (or risk) to have the global 2x enabled?
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/21 09:22:16
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JohnEgan Would it be correct to assume at 96k, it would be of no real benefit (or risk) to have the global 2x enabled?
Upsampling should be applied selectively because it's not always needed and does use resources. Simply enable it on playback if you have doubts. If you hear an improvement, leave it enabled. If not, don't. FWIW "improvement" is subjective. Foldover distortion can give a thicker sound that some people prefer compared to an extremely clean sound.
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Re: Upsampleing Prochannel - easy way
2016/12/21 23:02:06
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Anderton "improvement" is subjective. Foldover distortion can give a thicker sound that some people prefer compared to an extremely clean sound.
Like a song Im doing after going through the effort to sound prestine, Im going through the effort to make it sound like its played on a scratched dusty warped record from the 50's, LOL Cheers
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