Project 52!

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2005/02/23 00:12:28 (permalink)

Project 52!

When is it expected to be out? What new modules will it have? Has this all been announced? Thnx.

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    agincourtdb
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    RE: Project 52! 2005/02/23 01:28:24 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Composed

    When is it expected to be out? What new modules will it have? Has this all been announced? Thnx.


    The official press release is here:

    http://www.cakewalk.com/Press/01-20-05-Project5V2.asp



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    RE: Project 52! 2005/02/23 11:27:29 (permalink)
    Thanks.

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    RE: Project 52! 2005/02/24 14:35:46 (permalink)
    i think cakewalk should just call P5 version 2 just, P5. stop the upgrade trend of numbering the latest release. Putting the number 5 in the name was radical and now with the upgrade coming i think the 2 should be lost in the fine print.

    have a good one
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    RE: Project 52! 2005/02/24 14:43:59 (permalink)
    i think cakewalk should just call P5 version 2 just, P5.


    I'm not so sure about that. It would make questions like "can I record audio in P5?" ambiguous. Remember that not everyone upgrades as soon as a new version comes out.

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    RE: Project 52! 2005/02/24 16:14:41 (permalink)
    stop the upgrade trend of numbering the latest release.

    Remember that not everyone upgrades as soon as a new version comes out.
    Both viable contrasting points of view. My take: There will be a period of time where those who don't upgrade will have some questions here, and we'll need a way to differentiate between the two versions. After all, some posts popped up recently from users of 1.01 who never downloaded the 1.5 update, and that was free. I really don't care what Cakewalk calls the next version; we need a nomenclature for our own uses here. And I don't recall any official sanction for the use of the "P5" contraction, but we all accept that as a given. So it's up to us.

    We tossed this around awhile back, and there was a consensus among a very small sampling of the forum to use "P5II". I've been using that reluctantly (the lesser of the evils), but I never felt too comfortable with it. I've also been guilty of using "P2" in my love of shortcuts, but I can see where that's bound to cause some confusion. Still, it's a bit of a logical progression, since, when referring to versions [1.01 vs. 1.5], that would be next in line, or at least 2.01 or 2.02 after the inevitable maintenance release. That continues to be a bit "wordy".

    So, what's it gonna be, folks? I'm at a bit of a loss here [believe it or not!]; "P52" is way too confusing, "P5II" implies P5 "Junior", and that's obviously not the case, given the huge feature set increase. P5 "Squared" might be more descriptive, but how do we easily indicate "powers" in a way that's simple enough for everyone? How about "P5, The Sequel", "P5 Revisited", "P5 Redux", "Another P5", "Next P5", "The Second Project5", "P5S", "P5/5", "P5.2", or "P5v.2"? Can you tell that I'm running out of serious ideas? The best new one that I can come up with is "2P5": short, to the point, descriptive, and it separates itself from "P5".

    Let's get this BS settled now. While it seems trivial, we'll soon have a lot more important work to do deal with when that actual update comes out, so sign in with your opinion here. I suppose that I shouldn't hijack this thread for this purpose, but it seemed to be leaning towards that direction. We can start a new thread if you like, but let's get this one behind us. I don't care what it ends up, but we all need to be on the same page.
    post edited by b rock - 2005/02/24 16:23:52
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    RE: Project 52! 2005/02/24 16:23:15 (permalink)
    P5two or P5too(since it seems to be a complete overhaul)

    i really only like P5. think about the t-shirts! where are you gonna put that stinkin' 2 on the logo.

    have a good one
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    RE: Project 52! 2005/02/24 16:29:05 (permalink)
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    P5 "Squared" might be more descriptive, but how do we easily indicate "powers" in a way that's simple enough for everyone?


    <programming nerd> P5^2 is how it's done in some computer and typesetting languages.</programming nerd>

    Of course, that will lead to the inevitable 'oops no shift key' typo 'P562'.
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    RE: Project 52! 2005/02/24 16:33:38 (permalink)
    where are you gonna put that stinkin' 2 on the logo.
    Got that covered. Use the exact same logo design, but extend the old "5" down to also form the bottom half of the "2". The "5" is a distinct color, like red, the "2" is white, but bordered in a similar red, or black. And, of course, the common shared area between the numbers would blend the two colors, resulting in (what else?) fuschia.

    Note to :10: No fair stealing my concept for one of your artsy logos. [c/o B Rock Productions 02/24/05]
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    RE: Project 52! 2005/02/24 21:07:05 (permalink)
    Project 52 sounds too similar to Native Instruments Pro-52, which was upgraded to Pro-53 a few years back.

    To avoid making the product sound obsolete, perhaps Project5 Infinity + 1 would work?.
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    RE: Project 52! 2005/02/24 21:19:29 (permalink)
    Very interesting title; that should cover any contingency. But even more importantly, Blue, how'd you cop the t-shirt? [Or should I say, how'd you lose the question mark? <g>] Might I suggest about a 5 pixel Gaussian blur to soften those edges a bit?

    That one .jpeg of the (alleged) t-shirt is like the Shroud of Turin: It may be the real thing; it may not. It all boils down to a matter of faith ...
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    Nick Haddad [Cakewalk]
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    RE: Project 52! 2005/02/24 21:30:52 (permalink)
    I like P5v2 myself. Of course I am biased :)

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    RE: Project 52! 2005/02/24 21:31:34 (permalink)
    I feathered the edges in Photoshop CS, and it looked perfect there. Exporting it to GIF is where I lost the smoothness of the edges, so I'll see what I can do to fix it up. Generally speaking, from what I know about Photoshop, it is very difficult to antialias an edge while preserving transparency... the two just don't mix. If I "hard-coded" the background color, then I should be able to get you a smooth edge.

    But I was trying to show my Project5 pride in support of the new version announcement.
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    RE: Project 52! 2005/02/24 21:52:04 (permalink)
    Oh, you're right! That is what I was thinking of. The native instrument one. So it is called Project 5 version 2? That isn't as catchy though I have to say. Project 6? I don't know. Why was it called Project 5 in the first place?
    post edited by Composed - 2005/02/24 22:00:34

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    RE: Project 52! 2005/02/24 22:44:08 (permalink)
    I'll see what I can do to fix it up
    Nice job! I like the addition of the blue, Blue. How apropos! Do you have anything in a Large fuschia? Tell me, how did you solve it; did you use the Eyedropper to sample the background color, or mask it with the blue? Myself, I always found it easier to use a 3D app to paste onto a 2D plane, and use an opacity (or transparency) mask in grayscale that I could fine-tune with a Wacom.

    I agree about showing off your Project5 pride; I know that I'm an optimist, but wouldn't it be something if there was an actual wearable t-shirt available for some cost-effective Cakewalk promotion? Dare to dream ...
    I like P5v2 myself. Of course I am biased
    OK, Nick, I guess that it's now official [groan]. I was so looking forward to using Project5: The Second Version That's Over Two Years In The Making and Is Really Cool, So Buy It.
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    RE: Project 52! 2005/02/24 23:02:12 (permalink)
    I used the Eyedropper tool to sample the forum's background color and did away with dealing with transparency altogether.

    I smoothed the edges by doing the following:

    1. Select the background with the Magic Wand (with a reasonable tolerance setting).
    2. Select Inverse to get just the shirt.
    3. Duplicate the shirt in a new layer.
    4. Select the background of the shirt layer with the Magic Wand.
    5. Select | Modify | Expand | 2 pixels.
    6. Select | Feather | 1 pixel.
    7. Delete!

    The blue colorization was just a solid fill on a new layer that was set to Multiply. I selected the P5 logo and non-T-shirt areas in the original layer, then deleted the selection in the blue layer to keep those areas from being colorized.

    Since the edges of the shirt in the original image were unsual, to say the least, I opted to apply a subtle drop shadow to give the edges more definition. I think this can be improved still, but it does make the logo stand out.

    Finally, I adjusted the Levels to move the black, white and gray points of the color spectrum to make the wrinkles in the shirt stand out a little more (kind of like killing a song's dynamics with a limiter).

    I actually used to tutor intermediate Photoshop (pre version 5) in college (along with physics, math, CS and English), but the new version has a lot more to it. I'll still say that antialiasing and transparencies don't mix, but if anyone knows any secrets, I'd be interested in hearing them.

    And the Wacom trick sounds pretty good; I actually just bought an Intuos3, which I am very happy with. The fact that it has iPod-like touch controllers that are programmable make me happy enough... can I get these on a MIDI controller? Anyway, the touch controls are perfect for quickly zooming in and out and would be great to have for that and many other purposes on a MIDI keyboard.
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    RE: Project 52! 2005/02/25 02:54:17 (permalink)
    I'm going for "Project5-but-this-time-with-the-missing-loop-tools-I've-been-craving-from-day-one". Too long for the t-shirt, ja'think??

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    RE: Project 52! 2005/02/25 08:22:16 (permalink)

    nice T-shirt

    but it's only PhotoShop magic
    i mean haven't we all been fooled by photo shop magic enough already?
    don't tease us like this

    unless you're prepared to take that design to a T-shirt shack near you and do an unauthorized limited run. with any unresponsive governing body, local action is often the only resolution.


    I'm with Nick on the name P5 v2 -- but that may just be the way software people think
    we see a 'v' and know what it means, but it really doesn't roll off the tongue all that well

    v2 were also those nasty rockets that landed on Britain during the blitz, so since I'm the one that wants special markerting for all those synth workstation users in the UK, maybe not such a good idea how about P5 v deux captures the international and Canadian appeal


     


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    RE: Project 52! 2005/02/25 11:38:31 (permalink)
    P5 b-side

    i busted out the thesaurus and looked up version. some of the synonyms were side, story, description, edition................i fear we'll be stuck w/P5 v2. Now, Nick i don't mean to call you out but you didn't consider the t-shirt in your answer.

    have a good one
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    RE: Project 52! 2005/02/25 11:49:19 (permalink)
    Too long for the t-shirt, ja'think??
    Nope. Since the t-shirts exist only in dimensions known to superstring theorists, I'd say that we can fit anything on them by practical application of quantum mechanics. Of course, this must be performed at the sub-molecular level, which explains why we haven't seen any t-shirts.

    Another tactic would be to emulate the two-dimensionality of the new interface. I would assume that world would have X & Y co-ordinates that extend infinitely in each direction. Therefore, once again, no problem fitting any length of title onto a t-shirt. The problem is that I've never gotten a two-dimensional t-shirt to fit me correctly, and no one will know how cool you look unless they're in another dimension themselves. So, we're back to square one: no t-shirts, or if they exist, no one can see them.
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    RE: Project 52! 2005/02/25 12:09:48 (permalink)
    cakewalk could have a "name P5 version 2 contest" and the winner could get a t-shirt.

    have a good one
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    RE: Project 52! 2005/02/25 12:20:33 (permalink)
    how about P5 v deux captures the international and Canadian appeal


    hmmm....it might work! P5deux ....nah... I can just hear it as the butt of some bad jokes, "I use P5 duh! Dont you mean P5 deux? Duh! D'oh!
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    RE: Project 52! 2005/02/25 12:31:25 (permalink)
    cakewalk could have a "name P5 version 2 contest" and the winner could get a t-shirt.
    Great idea, but my trusting nature has reached its limits. We'd have to have an impartial third-party mediator administer the contest and prize distribution. I'm afraid that I'd grow mighty suspicious if the winning entry was "P5v.2", and the alleged "t-shirt" was awarded to a newbie with one post called "A. 4M Member".
    Dont you mean P5 deux?
    P5 deux what? Or, more importantly, what won't P5 deux?
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