Drawing Resolution for Envelopes - Track vs. Clip

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Wow.....I KNOW it's different. I must have changed some setting somewhere.

C'mon. I'm not THAT old yet.

Thanks for the feedback glaz.

I don't think so.....I'll post a pic with BOTH types of envelopes right next to each other. Hang on.

Ah! That's onteresting ... you're doing it with MIDI tracks ... I almost only ever use AUDIO tracks ... OK, I'll go back and have another check, this time with MIDI. Watch this space ....

Geoff

Hey Mike (again) -

Know what? You're right! Get a look at this:



Top one is Track envelope, bottom is Clip envelope.

Apologies for having doubted you!

Best,
Geoff

ORIGINAL: Infinite5ths
I'm used to finding little things that nobody notices, let alone cares about. It's just somethin' about me. WHY ME????????

Well, someone has to do it I ssuppose!

It appears to the eye as if the track envelopes were nodes and curves added manually and the clip envelopes were recorded automation....

Yup....ditto here, which is why I raised the question in the first place. They do look very different. However, each was drawn by hand with the Freehand tool; and I promise you that the more jagged version is MUCH closer to what I originally drew. In fact, until I released the mouse button, the "node ouline" (or whatever you want to call the little string of dots that shows up as you draw an envelope with the Freehand tool) looked much more like the CLIP envelope version. But as soon as I release the mouse button, to finalize the draw, the TRACK envelope gets smoothed out and replaced with fewer nodes and longer curves.

I haven't tested this yet; but I assumed that the node density was set by a combination of zoom depth and cursor movement speed. In other words, at higher zoom levels and slower mouse cursor movement speeds (when drawing), the nodes would be created at a higher density.

However, I think it WOULD be handy to be able to control this manually. Do the Snap Grid settings have any effect when using the Freehand tool?

Yeah...I discovered that the Snap to Zero Crossings applies even with Snap OFF pretty early because I was frustrated to death that Sonar woudn't let me slip-edit or split at any place I wanted. ...drove me NUTS till I figured it out. ARRRRRGHH! ...glad you found that.

As for the node density -- I wasn't referring to the Track vs. Clip envelope when I mentioned the zoom & speed factors. The Track envelopes ALWAYS seem to have a lower node density, as we established earlier in this thread.

I did some more testing. Snap settings seem to have no effect on the Freehand envelope draw tool. Nodes are DEFINITELY created more densely when you draw slower. And zoom depth seems to affect node density only because the VISUAL density of nodes appears to be constant. In other words, if I zoom way out and draw at a specific speed, the nodes will appear at "X" density on my screen. If I zoom in, I'll find that they really aren't that close together. If I zoom way in and draw at the same speed, the nodes will still appear at the same visual density; but because I'm zoomed in, that visual density translates into a much higher effective node density. Make sense?

The one exception to the zoom based density observation is this: Nodes cannot be closer than one sample from each other. So once you zoom in far enough to view individual samples, the "visual density" will decrease proportionally to the visual width of a sample on screen. Ya?